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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 19:58
From: Mira Etoile


lol

Pretty much

I wont bring it up again.

I think its relevant but .. thats only my opinion.
Talarus Luan
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08-25-2008 20:03
From: Czari Zenovka
I don't recall Lindal or I saying we "hated" anyone.


I don't recall saying either of you did, either. Point?

From: someone
However you using terms like "mental maturity" (in the same paragraph as "Do you want a cookie" lol), and "getting panties in a twist" (never said that either...just that the OP was giving me a headache), makes me wonder what your agenda is.


No particular agenda. Just one of my little observations about people's behavior when it comes to forums. You will note I never said "you" in any kind of explicit or implied reference or named either of you. So, "you" taking it personally is your own mental fabrication, as I never said or implied it was related to anyone in particular.
Dakota Tebaldi
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08-25-2008 20:05
From: Talarus Luan
Then don't read it.

Seriously, when someone goes "HAHA! I put you on my ignore list! Neener neener!", it is precisely the same as pretending to be "better" than they are. The whole point of turning a simple action into a grand spectacle is to simply be an attention whore, nothing more. That's why it's a kid's game, and why it deserves to be treated as such.


Not at all. I for one think it's extremely rude to place someone on your ignore list without letting them know. Indeed, the compassionate Ignorer would not let such an individual, thinking the Ignorer can see his posts, continue to waste time and energy composing lengthy posts directed at the Ignorer. Informing the fellow that he is henceforth ignored, is in this way greatly for the ignored fellow's benefit.
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 20:08
From: Colette Meiji
lol

Pretty much

I wont bring it up again.

I think its relevant but .. thats only my opinion.
I really don't mind (and not that it matters a lick if I did mind, I'm just another forum denizen) that you brought/bring it up, in the end I really just wanted more details. I was more so wondering what your point was, and as you said, you were being guarded, which frustrated me a bit, and I got testy (I suck at defusing frustration and sorry again) but I respect your wishes and understand (pretty sure anyway) why you choose not to discuss it here.
Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 20:09
From: Mira Etoile
I really don't mind (and not that it matters a lick if I did mind, I'm just another forum denizen) that you brought/bring it up, in the end I really just wanted more details. I was more so wondering what your point was, and as you said, you were being guarded, which frustrated me a bit, but I respect your wishes and understand (pretty sure anyway) why you choose not to discuss it here.


If you don't mind the intrusion Ill PM it to you. You'd understand why I am guarded then.
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08-25-2008 20:10
From: Talarus Luan
Seriously, when someone goes "HAHA! I put you on my ignore list! Neener neener!", it is precisely the same as pretending to be "better" than they are. The whole point of turning a simple action into a grand spectacle is to simply be an attention whore, nothing more.


If I'd seen you labeling as "attention whores" all those who state their values by distinguishing themselves from others----for example, those who have employed ad hominem attacks about the alleged lack of intelligence or emotional health of posters objecting to depictions of child sex----then I'd have more respect for the label you are attempting to attach to a poster who states 'you are on my ignore list'.

But I haven't seen you so labeling all those who state their values in this way.

You seem to be applying the label rather selectively, in fact: only to those who have opposed depictions of child sex.


Why shouldn't a person say, in effect, I Deplore The Argumentation Tactics You Have Repeatedly Employed....? Don't we all make a decision on what tactics we admire, and what tactics we find to be nasty/boring/predictable?
Talarus Luan
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08-25-2008 20:14
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Not at all. I for one think it's extremely rude to place someone on your ignore list without letting them know. Indeed, the compassionate Ignorer would not let such an individual, thinking the Ignorer can see his posts, continue to waste time and energy composing lengthy posts directed at the Ignorer. Informing the fellow that he is henceforth ignored, is in this way greatly for the ignored fellow's benefit.


*shrug* I don't necessarily agree with that. If I stop responding to someone because I am willfully ignoring them, I don't consider it rude; it's my option to stop communicating if I see no point in doing so. If that hurts their feelings, maybe they would do better in a more PC environment where their heart-on-sleeve-itis won't be so inflamed.

However, if you (general) insist on informing said person, do it in PM, and don't make it out to be some kind of insipid moral victory, like many people seem to be unable to avoid doing.
Solar Legion
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08-25-2008 20:19
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Not at all. I for one think it's extremely rude to place someone on your ignore list without letting them know. Indeed, the compassionate Ignorer would not let such an individual, thinking the Ignorer can see his posts, continue to waste time and energy composing lengthy posts directed at the Ignorer. Informing the fellow that he is henceforth ignored, is in this way greatly for the ignored fellow's benefit.


That can be accomplished with a simple PM instead of a public post.
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Ponsonby Low
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08-25-2008 20:19
From: Colette Meiji
I am not trying to squash any conversation. I just think it would help some people understand some things.


We all know that even though LL has banned this one practice, people are going to keep posting about how It Is Their RIGHT to continue the practice.

They are going to continue posting about how they are Noble Guardians of Freedom of Expression.

(Funny how those people never make threads about OTHER areas in which freedom of expression is restricted, isn't it? Where are the threads about Why Won't LL Let Me Make KKK Land? or Why Won't LL Let Me Make Disembowel-The-Pope Land? Somehow, the restrictions on Freedom in these areas doesn't seem to get these folks into a thread-making mood.)

But since people are going to keep posting about it, surely it's worth exploring the list of rationales they have for promoting their cause.

Surely it's always good to examine, instead of simply accepting, mindlessly. Is the person professing Nobility, really noble? Isn't that worth looking at analytically?

So, why not post about it?

(I just don't think the person who tried to scold you for posting about it, was justified.)
Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 20:20
From: Talarus Luan
*shrug* I don't necessarily agree with that. If I stop responding to someone because I am willfully ignoring them, I don't consider it rude; it's my option to stop communicating if I see no point in doing so. If that hurts their feelings, maybe they would do better in a more PC environment where their heart-on-sleeve-itis won't be so inflamed.

However, if you (general) insist on informing said person, do it in PM, and don't make it out to be some kind of insipid moral victory, like many people seem to be unable to avoid doing.


I dont know I think you could do it "maturely in the open"

Instead of how people normally do it , throwing out some laced comments and then the declarations.

Instead do a

"I guess we wont see eye to eye. For my own temperament I will be placing you on ignore"

Since that isn't as accusatory as a "I am rite and U is ignored nya nya nya".

Although when your ticked off you sometimes want to "nya nya nya".


For my own part I like the people who not only put you on ignore but who tell OTHER people to ignore you. And still respond to the things you say if its quoted.
Dakota Tebaldi
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08-25-2008 20:21
From: Talarus Luan

However, if you (general) insist on informing said person, do it in PM, and don't make it out to be some kind of insipid moral victory, like many people seem to be unable to avoid doing.


I dunno; merely saying "You are on Ignore" is a rather emotionally neutral statement. The hyperbolic addendums you are attributing to people (for instance, "HA HA" and "neener neener";) are your inventions alone - I haven't seen anyone employing them. It can be argued that telling someone they are on ignore is a way of expressing frustration, indeed, but alleging a "moral victory" mindset in such people is kinda excessively speculative.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 20:22
From: Solar Legion
That can be accomplished with a simple PM instead of a public post.


Geting a PM from someone you are arguing with is confrontational and rude,

Never mind creepy as hell.
Talarus Luan
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08-25-2008 20:22
From: Ponsonby Low
If I'd seen you labeling as "attention whores" all those who state their values by distinguishing themselves from others----for example, those who have employed ad hominem attacks about the alleged lack of intelligence or emotional health of posters objecting to depictions of child sex----then I'd have more respect for the label you are attempting to attach to a poster who states 'you are on my ignore list'.

But I haven't seen you so labeling all those who state their values in this way.

You seem to be applying the label rather selectively, in fact: only to those who have opposed depictions of child sex.


Completely your own interpretation of what I have said and to whom I have said it. In fact, I think I have quite adequately qualified the opinion as a general one, and not particular to any one poster in this thread, or any thread in this forum. In fact, I even pointed out "this and other forums".

It's a common thing I see that I find silly. When I see it, sometimes I will point it out. Could even be in an argument about landbots and searchbots. *shrug*

From: someone
Why shouldn't a person say, in effect, I Deplore The Argumentation Tactics You Have Repeatedly Employed....? Don't we all make a decision on what tactics we admire, and what tactics we find to be nasty/boring/predictable?


Absolutely. That's EXACTLY what I am trying to say. I deplore argumentation tactics that end up in stupid childish comments and actions. ANYone can resort to "neener neener", even a 5-year-old hairless ape.

I would hope people would be mature enough to see forum comments for what they really are and look past most of the hysterical impulses which fill many posts here, but meh. It's what makes the vast majority of forum content both entertaining and banal at the same time. ;)
Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 20:24
From: Talarus Luan


It's a common thing I see that I find silly. When I see it, sometimes I will point it out. Could even be in an argument about landbots and searchbots. *shrug*



:p
Solar Legion
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08-25-2008 20:32
From: Colette Meiji
Geting a PM from someone you are arguing with is confrontational and rude,

Never mind creepy as hell.


Not really, I've gotten them from people on other non-SL forums before when the topic was getting too heated to continue it in public.

I always responded to them and quite frankly find it far more 'rude' and very childish to waste a public post space with "I ignore you now."

It really does smack of the AOL/MSN/Yahoo chartroom nits that use it to attempt to silence a person but never really use the feature and prove it by responding to further entries.

I, like talarus, simply skip over the posts of those I've chosen to ignore.

Granted I will tell you openly and publicly that I'm done ... This is usually for a little while until I have calmed down however.
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08-25-2008 20:33
From: Talarus Luan
ANYone can resort to "neener neener", even a 5-year-old hairless ape.


As has been pointed out, the "neener neener" was your own invention.

We must agree to disagree about this: I don't see a simple statement of 'I don't admire these tactics you have repeatedly used and I'm placing you on Ignore' as being equivalent to "neener neener" or attention-whoredom or anything similar.


(Though, that said: I personally wouldn't be inclined to place anyone on Ignore; but I do end up skimming or even skipping past the posts of people who have many, many times [and I give lots of benefit-of-the-doubt] demonstrated what I'd consider to be a lack of intelligence and fairness. Life is short.)
Talarus Luan
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08-25-2008 20:35
From: Dakota Tebaldi
I dunno; merely saying "You are on Ignore" is a rather emotionally neutral statement. The hyperbolic addendums you are attributing to people (for instance, "HA HA" and "neener neener";) are your inventions alone - I haven't seen anyone employing them. It can be argued that telling someone they are on ignore is a way of expressing frustration, indeed, but alleging a "moral victory" mindset in such people is kinda excessively speculative.


ORLY?

Maybe you should go back and re-read the "put you on my ignore list" posts in this very thread, then TRY to come back and tell me that with a straight face.
Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 20:35
From: Ponsonby Low
We all know that even though LL has banned this one practice, people are going to keep posting about how It Is Their RIGHT to continue the practice.

They are going to continue posting about how they are Noble Guardians of Freedom of Expression.

(Funny how those people never make threads about OTHER areas in which freedom of expression is restricted, isn't it? Where are the threads about Why Won't LL Let Me Make KKK Land? or Why Won't LL Let Me Make Disembowel-The-Pope Land? Somehow, the restrictions on Freedom in these areas doesn't seem to get these folks into a thread-making mood.)

But since people are going to keep posting about it, surely it's worth exploring the list of rationales they have for promoting their cause.

Surely it's always good to examine, instead of simply accepting, mindlessly. Is the person professing Nobility, really noble? Isn't that worth looking at analytically?

So, why not post about it?

(I just don't think the person who tried to scold you for posting about it, was justified.)
This is only applicable to a tiny percentage of those who posted in this thread. 99% of those on the side for allowing it are not sexual age-players nor self proclaimed guardians of anything.

Hyperbole ftw!
Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 20:39
From: Solar Legion
Not really, I've gotten them from people on other non-SL forums before when the topic was getting too heated to continue it in public.


People will be more confrontational ruder and nastier to you in private then they ever would in the open.

And of course reposting any of those correspondences would be seen as rude.

The same goes for IMs.

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If its a sincere apology for an argument thats one thing ----

But most people "apologize" by continuing with even more accusations.

"Im sorry, but I did this because you are a scum" to paraphrase the average.

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Id rather be neener neenered in public than have someone confront me in private, any day.
Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 20:40
Yes, after bickering and being snarky with someone, and ultimately deciding to place them on ignore, I always feel like I owe them an explanation.

And Wilford Brimley loves me.

'Cause it's the right thing to do.

In the end though, I think I'll stick with the crowd who thinks it's a big "neener-neener". It just smacks less of bovine dung.

I think we all know it's really got nothing to do with the person being put on ignore and everything to do with letting the forum community know. But it's fun to channel Eddie Haskell now and again.
Solar Legion
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08-25-2008 20:41
From: Colette Meiji
People will be more confrontational ruder and nastier to you in private then they ever would in the open.

And of course reposting any of those correspondences would be seen as rude.

The same goes for IMs.

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If its a sincere apology for an argument thats one thing ----

But most people "apologize" by continuing with even more accusations.

"Im sorry, but I did this because you are a scum" to paraphrase the average.

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Id rather be neener neenered in public than have someone confront me in private, any day.


:shrug: to each their own I suppose.
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Talarus Luan
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08-25-2008 20:43
From: Ponsonby Low
As has been pointed out, the "neener neener" was your own invention.


Uhh, in case you missed it, I never claimed anyone SAID "neener neener". What I SAID was that it was just as silly AS IF someone ADDED the obligatory "neener neener" to the post. IE, it is often posted (and yes, it was in this thread, too, which is why I bothered to post in it in the first place; my observation -- get over it) with that same kind of "I shot you, fall down, haha!" mentality.

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We must agree to disagree about this: I don't see a simple statement of 'I don't admire these tactics you have repeatedly used and I'm placing you on Ignore' as being equivalent to "neener neener" or attention-whoredom or anything similar.


That's fine. However, no one here said it in emotionally-neutral terms. I also don't agree that posting it publicly is a necessity, let alone that, most of the time *I* have seen (which I qualified from my first post, btw, in case you missed that, too), it is posted as I describe.

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(Though, that said: I personally wouldn't be inclined to place anyone on Ignore; but I do end up skimming or even skipping past the posts of people who have many, many times [and I give lots of benefit-of-the-doubt] demonstrated what I'd consider to be a lack of intelligence and fairness. Life is short.)


Absolutely 100% right there. Life is too damned short to worry about reading crap you don't want or need to read or especially respond to.
Dakota Tebaldi
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08-25-2008 20:44
From: Talarus Luan
ORLY?

Maybe you should go back and re-read the "put you on my ignore list" posts in this very thread, then TRY to come back and tell me that with a straight face.


Wouldn't do much good - you can't even see my face.
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Tiasha Galicia
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08-25-2008 20:47
From: Swan Legend
survivors of child abuse are not all at the same stages of healing. so what may seem inconceivable to one abuse survivor may be cathartic for another. and this poster has no way of knowing which of us were abused as children and which have no point of reference unless you want to take a head count and raise hands. so the assumptions are a two way street and this is not the most compelling argument. yes Tiasha, life sucks. But seeing predators everywhere sucks too. You have no moral ground to stand on when you start pointing fingers at innocent men, some of whom, for all you know, may be attempting to help their female friends in sl heal. In which case, theyd actually be heros not villains. Dont get me wrong, im sure there are plenty of sleezeballs on the scene. But you dont have to visit an ageplay community in sl to see that. Second Life is crawling with users and abusive types who dont care how tall or short your avatar is. a new victim is born everyday in Second Life, but thankfully, Second Life is usually where it stays. Not real life.


Yes it does...as an adult I'll take that and roll with the punches. But tell a child after they have been molested or raped that "life sucks". What people are getting away from is who this may or may not effect and that is the children. Thats my only concern. If you willingly participate in sexual ageplay in sl with an avi that is portrayed as being that young, omgosh, yes, YOU ARE A PREDATOR. Innocent my a double s. I could care less about all the Tom, Dick, and Harrys who lie, steal and cheat. My focus with this issue is the children and nothing more. If a man has a potential to abuse a child, omgosh, yes, HE IS A PREDATOR.

And to your B.S. about a man helping a friend. If that is something that has been proven to work it should only be done at the hands of a professional. Otherwise omgosh, yes, HE IS A PREDATOR.
Dakota Tebaldi
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08-25-2008 20:49
From: Mira Etoile
99% of those on the side for allowing it are not sexual age-players nor self proclaimed guardians of anything.


Speaking of hyperbole, I'm curious - what particular set of tracks did THAT little Train of Speculation roll in on?
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