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Gabriele Graves
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08-25-2008 16:41
From: Tiasha Galicia Reading through all the posts I think that it's pretty sad that there are people who actually believe that it's okay to roleplay sexual ageplay. There isn't a lot that I would say another consenting adult should not do. But as a woman who was molested at three, as a woman who is the girlfriend of a man who was molested at 7, as a daugther of a woman who was molested by her uncle, as a women who's bestfriend was molested at 5 by her grandfather, and as a women whos neighbor was raped by her father, I think this is one thing that people should be hysterical about. Molestation and child rape happens a lot more than people like to talk about. As far as sl, we all know that majority of sexual age players are consenting adults but who the hell cares. People are normally halted in fulling their fantasies in rl for various reasons. But then there are some of them who arent. As for the people who say that real pedophiles are looking is rl for their victims, please, give me a dang on break. There is always a progression and these pedophiles start somewhere. For the men who find 15 year olds attractive, understandable. But when you look at a 10 year old and start fantasizing thats a problem. Come on people, this is just one thing that shouldnt even be a discussion. And for all the people who posted who have never experienced it first hand, shouldn't even have anything to say in arguement for free roleplay, every last person I named above is scarred for life from their experiance. So when someone rp's in sl, and when thats not enough and they take their desires to rl I hope all of you feel like dumbass*s. Hysteria never solves anything, it only makes things worse. In addition to that everyone is entitled to a voice and an opinion on *any* subject regardless of their qualification according to you. I am sorry for your experiences but that does not mean you get to say who should or should not discuss anything.
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 16:43
From: Gabriele Graves Hysteria never solves anything, it only makes things worse. In addition to that everyone is entitled to a voice and an opinion on *any* subject regardless of their qualification according to you. I am sorry for your experiences but that does not mean you get to say who should or should not discuss anything. Agreed. And it's sort of insulting to those of us who are also survivors of sexual abuse, who don't feel that same way as she.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 16:49
From: Talarus Luan Yeah, that's nothing more than a childish ego trip. Doesn't make the person doing the ignore seem any better than the person they are ignoring, at least to me, anyway. Might as well add the obligatory "Neener neener" to it, too.  LOL I put Talarus on ignore once .. And since then my opinion of him has improved considerably. We just don't agree on the search bot stuff. - But I did do the public announcement... neener, neener. 
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 16:53
From: Swan Legend (snip)other grown ups profiles(snip) If anyone looks at that profile, including the first life pic, and is confident that this statement applies .. I would wonder about them.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 16:55
From: Allison Selene The OP's profile is one of the creepiest I have ever seen in SL. Thank you. It was creepy enough to shake my opinion on a few things about this topic.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 16:56
From: Swan Legend or whatever else they express in a profile which is not necessarily an indication of anything rl unless its under first life tab. Have a look at the first life tab ..
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 17:04
From: Colette Meiji Have a look at the first life tab .. Gosh, you're pretty interested in this person. Will you still be talking about their profile tomorrow too? I looked at that profile too, and you know, I get the feeling that the RL tab stuff isn't true and that the person may not even be reporting their actual gender. It could all be role play, which is my gut feeling. But let's not let that stop us from declaring them a deviant freak, and over dramatizing.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 17:11
From: Mira Etoile Gosh, you're pretty interested in this person. Will you still be talking about their profile tomorrow too?
I looked at that profile too, and you know, I get the feeling that the RL tab stuff isn't true and that the person may not even be reporting their actual gender.
It could all be role play, which is my gut feeling. But let's not let that stop us from declaring them a deviant freak, and over dramatizing. I was responding to a few different points, you are right it came off as repetitive because of the timing. --------------------- I didn't declare anyone a Deviant freak. In fact the "Deviant freak" part of the profile by itself does not disturb me. ----------------------- I have only stated that looking at the profile might change some opinions on this topic. ------------------------ But if you want to run for Moderator -- feel free to PM Katt Linden. Its cool. I honestly think she could use the help.
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Adz Childs
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08-25-2008 17:26
Please, make it stop.
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Gabriele Graves
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08-25-2008 17:29
From: Adz Childs Please, make it stop. <==== Yes, won't someone please think of the children? 
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Adz Childs
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08-25-2008 17:36
tldr;
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 18:02
From: Colette Meiji I was responding to a few different points, you are right it came off as repetitive because of the timing. ---------------------
I didn't declare anyone a Deviant freak.
In fact the "Deviant freak" part of the profile by itself does not disturb me.
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I have only stated that looking at the profile might change some opinions on this topic.
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But if you want to run for Moderator -- feel free to PM Katt Linden. Its cool. I honestly think she could use the help. LOL. Yeah, because I am the only one who criticizes people for beating dead horses around here. The cool kids NEVER do that! Wasn't it you, just the other day, who was seemingly trying to quash someone's conversation because you seemed to think it wasn't worth talking about because we have no power over LL? Physician heal thyself. If there's any people around here trying to be mods, it's the regular gang who spend all day, every day on forums. Anyway, if its not the deviance in the profile, then what is it? And anyone who changes their opinion on such an important topic because of what some anonymous person has on their profile is a hysterical fool.
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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08-25-2008 18:18
From: Keturah Kirax My sleeping pills are kicking in but look... its only OK when no real human children are used. underage drawing, pixels, ideas and 100% fine as long as they don't lead to real like child abuse, ubstred of punishing everyone. give harder punishments to people break the law Do you suppose that pedophiles use Playboy or Hustler to get their rocks off like most heterosexual men? Or do you suppose they probably use pictures, drawings, etc. of the targets of their desire? For the first time, I'm actually hoping you're just a troll, trying to get a rise out of the forum, and that you don't honestly believe the crap you've spouted here.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 18:22
From: Mira Etoile LOL. Yeah, because I am the only one who criticizes people for beating dead horses around here. The cool kids NEVER do that!
Wasn't it you, just the other day, who was seemingly trying to quash someone's conversation because you seemed to think it wasn't worth talking about because we have no power over LL?
Physician heal thyself.
If there's any people around here trying to be mods, it's the regular gang who spend all day, every day on forums.
Anyway, if its not the deviance in the profile, then what is it?
And anyone who changes their opinion on such an important topic because of what some anonymous person has on their profile is a hysterical fool. I am not trying to squash any conversation. I just think it would help some people understand some things. That some who are so adamant about their positions might be less so. Evidently you did not see it. I am not going to make public accusations against the Original Poster here. People are free to make their own minds up about it. You are right I seemed overly repetitive. Especially because I responded to a bunch of comments at once with similar answers, I definitely could have done better by consolidating those into a single post. However it was not in any attempt to squash conversation or opinions. Merely an attempt to get people to think. You came down on me pretty hard - and thus I included the Moderator comment. Some people do want to be moderators. Just not the one's who are actually charged with the task.
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 18:34
From: Colette Meiji I am not trying to squash any conversation.
I just think it would help some people understand some things. That some who are so adamant about their positions might be less so.
Evidently you did not see it.
I am not going to make public accusations against the Original Poster here. People are free to make their own minds up about it.
You are right I seemed overly repetitive. Especially because I responded to a bunch of comments at once with similar answers, I definitely could have done better by consolidating those into a single post.
However it was not in any attempt to squash conversation or opinions. Merely an attempt to get people to think.
You came down on me pretty hard - and thus I included the Moderator comment. Some people do want to be moderators. Just not the one's who are actually charged with the task. Moderator is the last thing I want to be. I'm sorry if I came off harsh. And you misunderstood. Earlier in this thread, the other day, you said more than once that nothing said here would get LL to change their policy and nobody was asking for that, except maybe the OP. But you weren't addressing the OP, you were addressing others who wished to expand the conversation. It seemed kinda like a "why are you guys still talking about this?" Maybe it wasn't meant that way. It's hard to tell in text alone sometimes. It was just a *back at ya!* for implying that I was trying to moderate you. I hope that clears things up.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 18:42
From: Mira Etoile Moderator is the last thing I want to be.
I'm sorry if I came off harsh.
And you misunderstood. Earlier in this thread, the other day, you said more than once that nothing said here would get LL to change their policy and nobody was asking for that, except maybe the OP. But you weren't addressing the OP, you were addressing others who wished to expand the conversation. It seemed kinda like a "why are you guys still talking about this?"
Maybe it wasn't meant that way. It's hard to tell in text alone sometimes. It was just a *back at ya!* for implying that I was trying to moderate you.
I hope that clears things up. Sure - no hard feelings at all. Hmm. I don't really want people to shut up about anything. But a lot of arguments, including mine are moot sadly because of the Linden's authority over their own world. But hey if they want to talk about it its cool. Some people do like to talk like they will convince the Lindens will change something though. I don't think that will happen.
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Swan Legend
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08-25-2008 18:48
From: Tiasha Galicia Reading through all the posts I think that it's pretty sad that there are people who actually believe that it's okay to roleplay sexual ageplay. There isn't a lot that I would say another consenting adult should not do. But as a woman who was molested at three, as a woman who is the girlfriend of a man who was molested at 7, as a daugther of a woman who was molested by her uncle, as a women who's bestfriend was molested at 5 by her grandfather, and as a women whos neighbor was raped by her father, I think this is one thing that people should be hysterical about. Molestation and child rape happens a lot more than people like to talk about. As far as sl, we all know that majority of sexual age players are consenting adults but who the hell cares. People are normally halted in fulling their fantasies in rl for various reasons. But then there are some of them who arent. As for the people who say that real pedophiles are looking is rl for their victims, please, give me a dang on break. There is always a progression and these pedophiles start somewhere. For the men who find 15 year olds attractive, understandable. But when you look at a 10 year old and start fantasizing thats a problem. Come on people, this is just one thing that shouldnt even be a discussion. And for all the people who posted who have never experienced it first hand, shouldn't even have anything to say in arguement for free roleplay, every last person I named above is scarred for life from their experiance. So when someone rp's in sl, and when thats not enough and they take their desires to rl I hope all of you feel like dumbass*s. survivors of child abuse are not all at the same stages of healing. so what may seem inconceivable to one abuse survivor may be cathartic for another. and this poster has no way of knowing which of us were abused as children and which have no point of reference unless you want to take a head count and raise hands. so the assumptions are a two way street and this is not the most compelling argument. yes Tiasha, life sucks. But seeing predators everywhere sucks too. You have no moral ground to stand on when you start pointing fingers at innocent men, some of whom, for all you know, may be attempting to help their female friends in sl heal. In which case, theyd actually be heros not villains. Dont get me wrong, im sure there are plenty of sleezeballs on the scene. But you dont have to visit an ageplay community in sl to see that. Second Life is crawling with users and abusive types who dont care how tall or short your avatar is. a new victim is born everyday in Second Life, but thankfully, Second Life is usually where it stays. Not real life.
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Swan Legend
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08-25-2008 18:55
From: Colette Meiji If anyone looks at that profile, including the first life pic, and is confident that this statement applies .. I would wonder about them. Colette no offense but thats exactly my point. i dont concern myself with snooping around in other adults profiles looking for something to invalidate their comments on forums. and if thats not what youre trying to do then you could have fooled me because youve mentioned the OPs profile many numerous times, trying to get people to look at it.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 19:00
From: Swan Legend Colette no offense but thats exactly my point. i dont concern myself with snooping around in other adults profiles looking for something to invalidate their comments on forums. and if thats not what youre trying to do then you could have fooled me because youve mentioned the OPs profile many numerous times, trying to get people to look at it. I am trying to be circumspect. Making a accusation on this forum would not be the right thing to do. If you want to PM me Ill explain. But I won't spell it out here.
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Swan Legend
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08-25-2008 19:08
From: Colette Meiji I am trying to be circumspect. Making a accusation on this forum would not be the right thing to do.
If you want to PM me Ill explain. But I won't spell it out here. well if the profile violates ToS im sure you have already reported it. Otherwise, im not sure why it would matter. Your posts are confusing for me so i will assume there must be a violation in there somwhere
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 19:24
From: Swan Legend well if the profile violates ToS im sure you have already reported it. Otherwise, im not sure why it would matter. Your posts are confusing for me so i will assume there must be a violation in there somwhere I did not AR the Original Poster for anything. I don't encourage anyone to do so either. Although some people have a real problem with Mature rated profiles, I do not. ------- I do not think the groups the poster is in invalidates their opinion. Nor does the language in the profile. But the overall impression of the profile disturbs me. And it pertains to this issue.
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 19:34
From: Colette Meiji I did not AR the Original Poster for anything.
I don't encourage anyone to do so either.
Although some people have a real problem with Mature rated profiles, I do not.
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I do not think the groups the poster is in invalidates their opinion. Nor does the language in the profile.
But the overall impression of the profile disturbs me. And it pertains to this issue. Seems a bit unfair to me that you bring something up on the forums, multiple times, and then refuse to talk about it on the forums. Oh well.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 19:42
From: Mira Etoile Seems a bit unfair to me that you bring something up on the forums, multiple times, and then refuse to talk about it on the forums.
Oh well. Would be less fair to make accusations here in public though.
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Mira Etoile
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08-25-2008 19:52
 From: Colette Meiji Would be less fair to make accusations here in public though.
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Talarus Luan
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08-25-2008 19:54
From: Dakota Tebaldi You don't have to be "better" than the person you're ignoring; you just gotta not want to see what they post anymore. Then don't read it. Seriously, when someone goes "HAHA! I put you on my ignore list! Neener neener!", it is precisely the same as pretending to be "better" than they are. The whole point of turning a simple action into a grand spectacle is to simply be an attention whore, nothing more. That's why it's a kid's game, and why it deserves to be treated as such. If you're gonna ignore someone, then don't read their posts, or add them to some mechanic so you won't even be tempted to read them anymore. Done. Finished. Over. Next?
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