Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense

If two consenting adults role play and one of there AV's looks like a 12 year old what child is being hurt? I'd like to meet the 12 year old that is now mentally disturbed because some where in cyberspace two adults pretended that the 40 year old woman was a 12 year old. Cyber AV's are not fucking voodoo dolls that can magically harm people in real life. The whole point of online fantasy is to do things you can not do in real life.

When is SL going to ban bestiality, What about anal sex? anal sex is illegal under some stupid European laws for sodomie. Sex out of wedlock, I'm sure that's illegal in some middle eastern country.

Zero tolerance for age play obviously means zero common sense

…quickly buys in to the SL wedding services!

Oral sex is illegal in Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington D.C.

Although some of these sex laws may be old laws it is interesting to know that…..

In Utah adultery, oral sex and anal sex are considered sodomy and can lead to imprisonment.

It’s illegal to have sex without a condom in Nevada.

In Willowdale, Oregon, it is against the law for a husband to curse during sex.

In Romboch, Virginia, it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with the lights on.

In the state of Washington there is a law against having sex with a virgin under any circumstances including the wedding night.

In Hawaii, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin vending-machine condom sales are banned.

In Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Washington D.C. and Wisconsin an erection that shows through a man’s clothing is illegal.

In Connorsville, Wisconsin, it’s illegal for a man to shoot off a gun when his female partner is having an orgasm.

In Skullbone, Tennessee, it is illegal for a woman to pleasure a man while he is sitting behind the wheel of any moving vehicle.

Adultery is punishable by a $1,000 fine and/or one year in prison in California.

In Minnesota it is illegal for men to have sex with live fish. (Say what? Men are having sex with fish?)

The only acceptable sexual position in Washington D.C. is the missionary-style position. Any other sexual position is considered illegal. ( I’m glad that I don’t live in Washington D.c.)

In Logan County, Colorado it is illegal for a man to kiss a woman while she is asleep. ( I’m not moving there.)

In Florida, having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.

In Salem, Massachusetts married couples are forbidden from sleeping in the nude in rented rooms. ( Remind me never to rent a room there.)

In Indiana men over 18 may be arrested for statutory rape if a female passenger under the age of 17 is in his car and not wearing her socks and shoes.

Newcastle, Wyoming bans sex inside a store’s meat freezer, and Tremonton, Utah has outlawed intercourse in ambulances — neither would I pick as a hot spot. In Connorsville, Wisconsin, it’s illegal for a man to shoot off his gun when his female partner has an orgasm, and in Willowdale, Oregon, a man can’t curse during sex. Both measures curb celebration, in my opinion.

Most repressive, though, is the Alexandria, Minnesota edict that says a man can’t make love to his wife if he’s got the stench of garlic, onions, or sardines on his breath — if his wife demands it, he is legally forced to brush his teeth first.

In Cali, Colombia, a woman may only have sex with her husband, and the first time this happens, her mother must be in the room to witness the act. ( Say what?)

If a police officer in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, suspects a couple is having sex inside a vehicle they must honk their horn three times, and wait two minutes before being allowed to approach the scene. ( Thanks for the warning.)

This law is hilarious.

It is illegal for any member of the Nevada Legislature to conduct official business wearing a penis costume while the legislature is in session. ( Did they really need this law?)

Most Middle Eastern countries recognize the following Islamic law: "After having sexual relations with a lamb, it is a mortal sin to eat its flesh."

In Lebanon, men are legally allowed to have sex with animals, but the animals must be female. Having sexual relations with a male animal is punishable by death.

The penalty for masturbation in Indonesia is decapitation.

In Cali, Colombia, a woman may only have sex with her husband, and the first time this happens her mother must be in the room to witness the act.

In Santa Cruz, Bolivia it is illegal for a man to have sex with a woman and her daughter at the same time.

Age-of-consent is another tricky topic. Roman Polanski — who fled the USA as a fugitive to avoid an “unlawful intercourse with a minor” charge after he nestled a 13-year-old nymphet — would not have been prosecuted in a tri-racial choice of nations: Spain, Nigeria, or Japan (where obsession with schoolgirls is bigger than Sumo.) His lover-girl’s vagina would be considered fully adult in these areas. If the Pole contented himself with a 14-year-old romper, his field-of-play would be enormous: Austria, Bulgaria, Canada, China, Colombia, Croatia, Honduras, Hungary, Russia, and Serbia.

Polanski’s nastiness was in tangling with a Hollywood teen; California has an ancient age-of-consent: 18. The only nations that are more daughter-cautious than this are Egypt, Pakistan (21), and Saudi Arabia, where the law states simply that all women “must be married.”

Nudity laws are also either stripped-down or grossly over-dressed. Le Cap d’Agde in France is an entirely clothing-optional city (population 40,000), thousands of bare buns bake on beaches in Europe, Australia, and Canada, and naturist joggers publicly flap and jiggle in San Francisco’s annual Bay-To-Breakers footrace.

But skin is a carnal crime elsewhere: “unveiled” college girls in Algeria have been shot for exposing their lascivious mouths and chins, and have had acid thrown in their tempting faces. In Iran, women are flogged by “morality patrols” if their lovely hair slips wickedly out of their veils.

As far as age of consent this site seems to have a lot of the answers:

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

These excerpts are from various sites around the net. The accuracy of these laws is questionable.

I thought you'd never ask.

Oh. Um... welcome to the Forums.

Well, sex between underage pixels is a perennial topic here. Unfortunately it's quite pointless to be right. A bunch of posters here (myself included) with no interest in sexual ageplay nonetheless agree that the ban is quite silly. Another bunch of posters disagree, for a variety of valid reasons: the big PR problem it causes, the illegality in some jurisdictions, the "broadly offensive" squickiness factor, etc.

Often somebody will raise the specter of pixel underage sex as a kind of "gateway drug" for RL child abuse. There's no science for this, of course, but one can see where it has some surface appeal (it seems like it could be true, and think of teh childrenz, etc.). The irony here is that, in a quite different part of cortex, increased aggression after watching violent films has solid evidence (for thirty years or more), but we blithely ignore that science, thanks to the efforts of those champions of liberty, the motion picture industry.

You want to role-play a 12 year old avatar in any non sexual or non abusive scenario then fine, get on with it, nothing wrong with that.

You want to role-play a 12 year old avatar in a sexual scenario, then that demonstrates you're pedophilic tendencies.

You want to role-play a 12 year old avatar being physically abused in some way then that demonstrates a tendency towards child abuse.

Do you want to role-play a 12 year old avatar in a sexual or abusive scenario? If not then no probs.

If so then I will get back to you later with an abusive tirade.

As far as zero tolerance of child av's go - this isn’t true. I know of 4 child av's active in world who are perfectly legit with no dubious role-play and they are generally accepted by the community and have not been banned by LL's.

Bestiality, anal sex, sex out of wedlock should not be compared to child abuse. Different leagues. These types of sex only offend a portion of society. Child abuse offends the vast majority of society and if you are not offended by child abuse whether it be real, virtual or in your own head, then you are part of the problem and you should be eliminated or incarcerated at the earliest opportunity.

the only semi-logical explanation behind it is that pixels are a gateway drug to the real thing. A pedophile who comes to SL to act out his fantasies, then when that no longer satisfies, goes out into the RW to do the same.

But what about bots camping with furry child avs behind banlines using stolen animations?

Some pixel form of hanging, drawing and quartering would probably be in order. With some boiling oil. And a very stern look.

Hello, Mr. I cant tell the difference between 1stlife and 2ndlife.

Sound the alarms the thought police are here! First off, if I play GTA4 and I get shitfaced, steal a car, run over a old lady, crash into a pole, and get into a shoot out with the cops. Does this mean I want to do this in real life? If I play Call of booty * cough* I mean duty 4 does this mean I want to join the army? What about if I get in a sword fight in SL does this mean I want to get in a sword fight in RL?

The answer is no, so why would I get in a fake sword fight? Because I cant do it in real life.

What do you do if Pepsi becomes illegal? You drink mutha' fuckin' RC cola it dosent taist as good but it has the same outcome. When abortions became illegal and woman could not get abortions in a safe way what did they do? they stuck wire hangers up there cooch and sometimes died of infections. That is why abortions became legal again.

Would you rather have some pedophile explore his fantasy online, safely, where no one is hurt. Or have him go out and have sex with a real child? People do things like this on SL because they cant do it in RL. Who the fuck cares if you fantasize about fucking a 12 year old up the butt? I think the statistic was like 80%+ of men fantasize at least once in there life about a sexual encounter with there own mother. So I bet alot of people dream about under age sex.

I have no interest in having sex with a 12 year old. Nor do I ever plan on making a child avatar. I just dislike retarded rules. You would probably make it illegal to think about killing some one.

Whether it's through pixels or looking at abusive images or video, it's imperative that we heavily regulate all these mediums available to abusers as it's just encouraging them to personally to go out and actually commit an act of child abuse in RL and it's encouraging an industry where people go out and abuse children so the recorded content can be sold online.

LL has been heavy handed in their policing of this issue and i am sure people who play perfectly legit child av's have been detrimentally affected.

But surely it is worth it? If inconveniencing 100000 law abiding citizens helps stop one pedophile from fueling his fantasies and stops him actually raping a child in RL then it's worth putting up with restricting that LL have placed on SL.

Hopefully you are a mentally stable person so killing people in a video game does not fuel your desire to kill people in RL. A poor and over used analogy.

People who indulge in roleplaying the sexual abuse of a child are mentally unstable to begin with. Giving them a platform or medium to indulge those fantasies will not them help HEAL that mental condition, it will make them worse.

Allowing them to get all that 'child rape' out of their system by roleplaying it online is not a solution. It just adds further justification to a already sick mind that what they are doing is not wrong.

So admitting that you want to fuck your mother is irrelevant. I couldnt care less about yours or your mothers sexual preferences. You are adults. If you or your mother are underage then I have a problem.

I still cannot help thinking that Americans think about children way too much.

Most of these thoughts wouldn't have occurred to me until I've read them in the flood of pedo-scare that comes in from across the ocean.

o wow. How about every parent on the planet??? And even alot of us who don't have kids.

I think the real problem is that there was an element on SL that specifically engaged in 'ageplay' for the sake of whatever desire drives that sort of thing...something which you might even object to on general principle, even if the 'child' involved was actually an adult pretending to be a child.

There is a problem with rules/laws in that grey areas soon become loopholes...so they must be pretty much black and white. The rule must be 'there is to be no sexual congress between child and adult avatars ever'. It can't be sometimes, or in certain circumstances, or blah blah blah.

The reason there is an issue about it at all is because of public outcry when someone somewhere found out about the activities (which were mimiced to an extent that I would find objectionable <as I understand it anyway, I wasn't there> and it was on the news etc. LL had to do something.

And welcome to the forums

Ask 100 random people on the street whether they feel an adult portraying to be a 12 year old is doing something that is "innocent" or "sick" and I'd be surprised if you get even a handful of "innocent" responses.

You may not think there is something wrong with it but then you believe it's entirely innocent, people who argue for ageplay think that's entirely innocent too and some people who are on the outside looking in will judge both to be closet pedophiles because they believe both are unnatural desires.

Part of it is that sex as a whole is highly repressed in this country. If "normal" sex was viewed as a "normal" thing to do people wouldn't think about it as much.

This is a topic often visited here. I personally believe the rules need much more slack, but also understand that the countries and cultures that demand the rules make for a profitable demographic in SL. (>_<

So... As long as SL is a for-profit organization, LL can do pretty much what it darn well pleases to be sure that stream of monies keeps going in. I will do what I can to simply follow the rules as I interpret them. (^_^)

I mean... Look at all the other fun activities available... I think we can afford to lose one or two controversial ways to play for the sake of the big picture. (^_^)y

I used to feel the same way and have posted similar thoughts on the forum in the past. Then I spent time talking to child av's in world as I was heavily criticised on the forum (so what's new) and have come to understand the reasons why some perfectly normal poeple choose to play legit child AV's. I think you are right, the masses would be dubious of anyone playing a child av. Personally I have researched the subject so I guess have a more informed opinion, and it was my personal opinion I was expressing rather than that of the general population.

Sure, but as long as they do not do it I don't have a problem.

I can give a damn who it "Inconvenience" the fact is there is freedom to speech and expression in my country and SL is based in USA I am pretty sure.

Rights are more important then convinces.I would rather annoy 1,000,000,000,000 to give one person there rights.

If some ones book glorify say.. um... Hitler. That will make quite a lot of people mad wont it? Though you cant throw the guys book away.

If you think its OK to do that go back to your book burning.

I don't like to be whipped in real life? not many people do, a mater a fact I would hate to be whipped in real life but I enjoy it in SL... So your saying if I role play being wiped I will be compelled and I just wont be able to control my self and I will go out and find some one to whip me?

All this rule does is annoy people and take away some rights to free speech/expression. Its as useful as the stupid child locks on pill bottles. ( when was 3 I got into a lot of them and had my stomach pumped how useful the child lock was... >.> )

You have a problem? Why? Because it's "politically correct" to say you do? And I don't just mean with what you wrote above. I mean with all of what's being discuss. And it's not just you, there are way too many people who follow the leader when it comes to matters that don't concern them.

Well I guess if depiction in SL of a small child or infant being raped is ok, then why aren't magazines of that nature also ok, as after all if the perpetrator involved is looking at pictures and videos of childsex then they're not out on the street actually molesting are they?
When is SL going to ban Trolls who after their extreme behaviour is banned want to ban everyone elses not so extreme fun.You just want to ruin it for everyone.

IBTL

free speech is a myth. you can expect to have a very difficult time in RL. enjoy your SL while you can.

(eta: speaking of free speech, IBTL )

Keturah, you keep making comparisons between child abuse and persuits like whipping or anal sex or beastiality. These things are uncomparable.

Bottom line is, if you want to roleplay child abuse in SL then you should seriously seek out some sort of councilling in RL. You may think you are in control right now as all you have are fantasies but that is how it starts.

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That's not a good way to drive the arguement....Last I checked... LL is not a member of the U.S. Congress. SL is private property, subject to its own terms. And the rules are rules... Not laws. (=_=)y