Secret SL Viewers? "Cyro" and "V-Life"

There is a big difference between using LSL to crash a sim and using a viewer with sim-crashing features intentionally built in. The difference is, LSL is a neutral tool used for writing and compiling scripts. It can be used for good or bad. Specifically, LSL was not developed for the sole purpose of causing mischief. Conversely, there is NO good use for sim-crashing features built into a viewer. The ONLY reason to include such features into a viewer is to cause harm. In my opinion - and, I'm sure, the opinion of any reasonable-minded person - the developer of this viewer is horribly irresponsible. A responsible developer does not find an exploit that can cause harm or damage and attempt to profit from it, which is exactly what this guy has done.

Heh, Kat, a responsible developer doesn't flout the GPL either. Trying to fit "responsible" into the same picture with this developer is like trying to complete a jigsaw puzzle where none of the pieces fit together.

As a matter of fact, YES! Code that allows anyone to freely change the permissions of objects not created by that person is taking advantage of an *exploit* or *flaw* in the code. By bringing the development team's attention to this exploit or flaw, they can quickly seal it.

You are attempting to make this guy sound like an altruistic saint; however, that is a complete load of bullshit. He is not charging such a high price to "keep these tools out of the hands of griefers". If this were his intention, he would have worked with the development team to seal the hole. Instead, he is profiteering.

interesting news

@jesse

How long have you been inside SecondLife. What have you learned and seen?


Google wont help you to find anything you need: The viewers are made for private use and if you have cash you can get them over a contact person. I do not want to "name " the person here, but I could - coz I know them*


And "Jesse" if you dont know "everything" you better make a break posting YOUR opinion here. YOu better start ASKING questions. And dont do it using Google!


The viewers exist, they can find you (!) and they can copy and crash everything.


No gossip, no joke!

They're also flat out illegal, since they're violating the GPL, regardless of whether they're designed for doing illegal things or not. There's no excuse you and ph0x can make for them, so don't even try.

To be fair, I don't think it's illegal to use them, just illegal to distribute them.

YES Boy , that 100% correct.

The heavy griefer function inside this VLife and CyroLife are made for griefing and to check out all you need (find avatars anywhere inside SL)

Every usage of this VLife is against the TOS! If not I want LindenLabs to EXPLAIN why it is allowed to use such viewers.

It's the distributors that I'm concerned with.

Is Sony a shill planting this thread to advertise these fake viewers?

It's not. That's why they're not openly distributed.

It is exact the same as with hacking tools for other games like shooters. Most HAX are managed inside RAM modules (MEM hax) over so called Proxies. Software you start before you actually run the client software.

You can buy "Game Hax" to have the most power inside the games. Some famous Hax you can find using Google - the better HAx you can't Its always the same.

All you need is cash and you get what you want. If you know the right peoples. Most teenagers know Hax and can name them, they are famous, but most adults don't know about Hax at all which makes me laugh here. As we all see in this Threat so many don't know any shit even with the help of Google God *lolz

And because of this facts its very easy to "play" with them. Yes PLAY!
The viewers aren't made to be good - they are programmed to be BETTER and WORST.
If not - nobody would pay 32k or 50k - right? But making viewers that can do all shit with you and your business is worth the cash - so many paid already the high price.

Inside SL - its even more dangerous than in any shooter game. The reason should be clear. So what makes LL to protect? Some people put all their skills inside any protect, put years of experiences into it - some just need to click a single button and can smile or laugh.


Do not get me wrong - I am not using any of this VLife or CryoLife viewers - but I seen them a lot and also got attaked by some of those VLife viewer users who are just griefers and have the small balls to need to pay the priece to feel like GOD in game - and they can follow you anywhere asap you are online - so there is NO chance left to escape them - Once a target all you can do is NOT to login.


I am really so glad I don't make any business inside SL.

It's illegal for a different reason. The legal issue with those is that they're violating the anti-circumvention provisions in the DMCA. There's no such provisions in many countries, so they're not illegal there. Thus it may even legal to create and distribute them, but illegal to use them in the US or against computers in the US (such as Second Life).

This is violating the GPL, so they're breaking the law in every country that's signatory or conforming to the Berne Convention. So it's illegal to distribute them, but not illegal to use them unless you actually use them to violate the ToS.

Frankly, anyone who pays money for a program like that is nuts. They have no recourse when the distributor goes out of business, as has apparently happened with VLife.

We are NOT here to step into the jobs of lawyers to clear of international rights, DMCAs and so on )

We are here to enjoy the game, aren't we?

Pls stay on topic!

I assume that is the case. Together with that alt account nobody can spell.

I am NOT advertising the usage of this viewers* If someone wants to turn this against ME (lol) Linden LAbs can check my alts and control me seeing I am never using any of those clients and I am not out of this country.

Speak for yourself. Second Life is an economy, beating down on lawyers is a perfectly legitimate part of the game.



Soldiers, too.

Thats sounds may right but I want to enjoy the Economy without the usage of VLife usage. I want enjoy the game and not talking about DMCAs.

I want LL to explain why such VLife viewers usage is legal withing this economics..

I just explained that!

Well I cant follow you then - I am not a LL employee and either I am a lawyer *lolz


But your pics look lovely

Uh, yeah, just to clarify here a bit more clearly again, 'Vlife' is not 'Vertical Life', just an unfortunate and innocent naming similarity that I had absolutely no idea about. I was about to change it actually, but I thought it was too good to pass up when I found there was a Vertical Life worshipping team. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCsAN_ZbLXw

Uh, yeah, just to clarify here a bit more clearly again, 'Vlife' is not 'Vertical Life', just an unfortunate and innocent naming similarity that I had absolutely no idea about. I was about to change it actually, but I thought it was too good to pass up when I found there was a Vertical Life worshipping team. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCsAN_ZbLXw

Sony, interesting thread, I'm glad you started it. However, at this point LL should remove it, since it advertises very damaging exploits. To folks who might be tempted to pay for the viewer Sony mentions, let me add my voice to those who caution against:
I believe GPL is being violated here. BUT, not necessarily - it is quite possible to legally build proprietary, for-sale, non-open products based on GPL code. Embedded systems folks do it with Linux all the time. You must be very careful about linking and interfaces to the GPL code, and your proprietary code is best sequestered in a separate executable. You will end up publishing as GPL some "glue" code. I seriously doubt the vendor of the proprietary client being discussed here has been careful. LL should go after them for GPL violations on their client code.
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If I were moving that much money through one account, I would only use LL viewers as well. However, Elanthius, surely you must realize that the normal user is moving nearly zero money through their account, and for them the benefit of added features is worth a small risk.

The only way of guaranteeing safety with a third party client is to read the code and compile it yourself, and only open source clients provide you that option. That said, I feel perfectly safe using any of the more common open third party clients - Nicholaz', Boy Lane, Hippo come to mind -- and I sure don't spend that kind of time verifying them!
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That is what I am saying. LL should or lets say MUST go after them asap.

And everybody inside SL MUST KNOW about the different ways ppl try to get all out about you - so the secret viewers are no longer any secret and its nor more a that big problem.

It should be a community to play and have fun - The only one who can control it is LindenLabs.