Charging more for Copy/NoTrans over Trans/No Copy animations.

due to the number of ani creators we use, it would be impractical to beg each individual for renames, compunded by the fact that it isnt always readily appearant what name we would want to use until after all the anis are in the furni. besides, the scripted solution is a easy to use notecard:
// ANIMATION_NAME | BUTTON_NAME | POSITION | ROTATION
fsit3 | sexy sit | [0,0,0.01] | [0,0,0,1]

earlier somebody mentioned lvl4 anis, and i have to agree that they suck in furni uses. while typing suppression is good, i think the head should at least be free to move about, otherwise i consider it a static pose and not quite useful. even in a modeling pose i like to be able to move the head about, and in standing pose nothing annoys me more than a locked head and my typing ani being killed.

perhaps you need to go and hit the market place sometime and have a look at the most popular.

If you want to do some digging check his responses in the thread to my post https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/05/14/shopping-for-virtual-goods-just-got-simpler

and if you search for his and pinks comments on xsl you'll see there's been some discussion there - and if you can bear it search for the discussion on the algorithm. For 3 years now it's been weighted against high priced items but has gone out of whack because of the number of low priced items available. The average sale price is now around 360l - anything over that is penalised.

Then by now you'll understand that after a certain point people ignore those trying to flame and continue with the discussion in hand.

Same as rl.

If you actually have been reading the last couple of pages you'd notice that you're not the only person who has been ignored.

now, back to the topic in hand methinks.

When I got to XStreetSL with all cookies cleared, so I get the default behaviour, I have always seen higher high priced items come up in the top of the list. The last time I checked it was explicitly coming up by price, highest to lowest. It now seems to be coming up by relevance, but I'm still seeing higher priced workalikes of my own products coming up before mine when I search for them.

I'm not going to try digging through a blog discussion. The blog software is too broken to be usable.

I was not trying to "flame." I can see where quoting "hostile" statements would reflect on me. But I was quoting actual statements....not responsible for the content.

Part of the discussion is on fair business practices. I addressed one of those aspects.

If everyone wants to brush it under the rug.....fine. Acknowledged.

But I don't think it's fair to label someone addressing a concern.....with some of the above labels, whether their opinion is popular or not, or is accepted or not. I think that it keeps others from expressing opinions as well.

xsl search is seriously sick and relevance is sorted on price then keywords used. Also I think there's a bug where if there are a lot of results the middle 400 results don't get displayed (I seem to remember a comment on that in a thread a month or so ago)

When LL link to xsl now it's either to the freebie or the popular page - never the front page with the ads. If you look at the popular list you'll see that the complexion has changed - a lot of extremely low priced goods that are either priced cheap as an introductory offer and then vanish when they go up to full price or are around the 10l mark as the item has to be over 10l to get into the list.

but we're digressing now

Thanks for that, Nina.

I normally upload sits at P4 to over-ride the typing - but once an animation is made, it is not a problem to upload it at a different priority - just ask. Fixing or not fixing the head is something else that can easily be changed once an animation is made. Likewise, reversing symmetry can also be done in many cases without a lot of work - unless you are a mocap producer, of course - you would have to start again from scratch then. Any animator worthy of the name should be able to do this easily, for example, using Maya or Poser. So, I suggest you ask if you need these minor mods.

Value pricing is such a black art, I don't see how anyone can state that one price is fair and another isn't. Why does a $1.50 soda in a fast food restaurant cost $3 at a fancy restaurant? How can movie theaters justify charging more for evening shows, when it has to cost them more per customer to put on the matinee? Why do sports arenas charge so much more for the close seats, when their costs are the same regardless of where you sit?

How do you justify saying that charging twice as much for the copy version is wrong? Or how do you justify saying that it's not wrong? Is there a formula they teach in SL Business School? Do you need an MBA in virtual businesses to be qualified to make such statements?

This isn't a market with significant ethical concerns; it's not the same as discussing pricing for health care, or even housing or transit. It's entertainment. There are some pricing situations in SL where you can argue an ethical issue, with the selling of freebies being the most obvious. But this isn't one of them.

Either this pricing model will increase their profits or it won't. Time will tell. Calm, rational discussion about it is certainly appropriate. Exaggerated kvetching isn't.

It makes perfect sense to me. The reason is, the dances can put into a dance ball or a set of couple's pose balls. If you want the option of rezzing them in world in mutlitple locations you have to pay more for that. If you just want them in one location then you save money. I see it as them giving people what they want... more options. Because you choose to put your dances into multiple chims or huds doesn't make anyone a crook.

Very good post. I agree 100%.

/me meekly raises my hand to this. I am not sl savvy at trying to moves scripts and what not from the actual poseball to our Intan. I see the dance, buy it and then I transfer it to my husband who is very talented at that sort of thing.

At our vacation homes, I have multiple copies of our favorite dances there. No biggee! No, I don't necessary like buying the same item 2 or 3 times because its not copyable. But that is my choice. I will pay slightly more if I could get it copy/trans.

Excuse me????



Your very first post in the thread calls out a specific person for an action that you *thought* they might do, which has absolutely nothing to do with the pricing of animations and is related to a situation that happened almost a year ago:



Your second post adds nothing to the discussion either:


Ditto for your third post:



The next post is a personal attack:



Then we get:
The first part is another personal attack and I highly doubt the second part is true because people usually do not make personal attacks on others unless they are taking things personal.



That gets me to the end of my first page for this thread (40 posts) and you have contributed only attacks and random statements. And be it noted that you attacked first, so if you are not **trying** to 'flame' then maybe you might want to **try** a bit harder.

Little Me...it's no secret that you've had personal issues with me for some time now.

I don't really recall what set that off.

So I understand if you want to respond that way. Not super happy about it - but I understand.

That's exactly how i feel.

Not sure what set you off after we had some very cool PMs. But yet you made this very personal, and continued to attack me on another forum.

Not super happy about it - and i don't understand.

It is odd to see you lament such a thing after what has taken place in this thread.

So i largely understand your sentiment in this post.

Irony is an odd thing.

I'm trying very hard not to take it personally, but you took my comments out of context - most of those were preceded by some rather harsh statements directed toward me.

Yeah - I may slip up here, shortly, and start taking it personally.

I can step out of the thread.....and let the chips fall.....but not if you post a series of comments that were made, without the comments that came before those.

Wow, yet again how i feel.

Especially after a thread was started just to bash me and insult me and proclaim how much i am hated.

It is somewhat upsetting to see you express such feelings when you went after me so personally in 2 different places just because of my OP.

I hope a resmod closes this ithread.

I would have responded to anyone in forum in the same way....concerning the original post. I most likely would not have a personal example to cite.

You opened it, send Millie a PM asking for it.

I wish they would upgrade the forum to a version which would allow OPs to lock their own threads. :-/

I'm sure that feature will be in the "New" forum.

I don't see any reason to close it. I'm comfortable with my statements, and I'll accept any responses to them. I don't see how any of the comments I made broke forum rules.

The issue seems to be with the very first post I made. Why wasn't that flagged, and why wasn't the thread closed then?

I don't have *personal* issues with anyone on any forum. No clue where you got such an idea.


Go back and read my post:

1) you claimed that you were trying not to Flame and yet you came in to this thread and started attacking the OP about some personal conversation between you two that had absolutely nothing to do with the price of animations -- which was the topic of the thread.

2) every post that you made within the first 40 posts in the thread were either an attack by you or just a general comment that still had nothing to do with the thread.


Since you were claiming that you were not flaming and most of the comments were attacking AND you started the attacking, then why you made any given comment is really irrelevant.

In Oct, right?

I don't think it is an issue with breaking any forum rules, just that the value of the continued off-topic discussion is in question.

It is clear the OP was nothing but a one-sided rant; she probably should have just posted it and closed it forthwith. I suppose the ensuing drama fest was an expected side benefit, but meh. I would rather have seen it simply drop off the first page into the obscurity it is destined to achieve.

Just to be clear, though; there's nothing wrong with a good one-sided rant. However, it won't, and shouldn't be expected to, engender serious consideration and discussion. It will, as demonstrated, usually devolve into a drama fest.