Charging more for Copy/NoTrans over Trans/No Copy animations.

Seeing how this happened in 2008, you should have been more aware as an experienced resident that you should CHECK THE CREATOR of random items you snap up from people to sell so that you don't end up selling Linden created items.

Don't complain now because you showed extreme ignorance in that regard.

And if i hadn't said anything, you'd be a freebie seller.

So, you are welcome.

Not worth responding to.

Actually, thus far, nothing you have said has been even worth reading.

Especially your one liners: "that's a crock" / "not worth responding to"


Hey, how about this. Next time you want to PM someone to complain about your forum nemesis, don't choose me. This way i won't have this false sense of friendliness and be stunned when you come into a thread and start stoning me.

Thanks!

Oh, and you told a lie in this post, but since you have brought up the past, i figure i might as well SHOW everyone exactly what was said:

[2008/08/30 8:13] Briana Dawson: Hello I am at your furniture store that you advertised in the forums and i see you are selling Freebies
[2008/08/30 8:14] Briana Dawson: I see Alberto Linden's 2 seat couch here for sale at $75 by you.
[2008/08/30 8:15] Whats_her-face: Hi Briana
[2008/08/30 8:15] Whats_her-face: I had purchased that out of someone's inventory
[2008/08/30 8:15] Whats_her-face: : I buy large inventories from people
[2008/08/30 8:15] Briana Dawson: its a linden freebie
[2008/08/30 8:15] Whats_her-face: some times I don't notice
[2008/08/30 8:15] Briana Dawson: ok
[2008/08/30 8:16] Whats_her-face: : ok - thanks for the info
[2008/08/30 8:16] Briana Dawson: welcome
[2008/08/30 8:17] Whats_her-face: : thanks for stopping by the store, too
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So........big deal. I pointed out to you that you were selling a freebie. I made no accusation or said anything negative to you, i simply pointed out you were selling freebies and somehow you feared i would come post that in the forum and DESTROY your business.

Jeeze...you made it seem like it was a dramatic encounter.

I'm not sure what the lie is.

But I expected you to resort to these tactics.

Wait.

You EXPECTED me to??

Whoa. First you are trying to friend me in PMs. And then you are stoning me in this thread.

And somehow you "expected me" to do something?? What defend myself??

The lie is that you said you had seen me "RUIN" others in the forum by posting about their business. And if you think that is true, please show a thread prior to the date in 08 when I IMd you.

Right now, i am simply talking, but you have been insulting and really i have no idea why you came and took this so personally.

So what, i made a thread because i don't like a retailers pricing. Don't take it personal. No one tried to attack you or denigrate your character as you have done with me here, Mickey.

The stuff i made was open to the same criticism. Go grab our freebie at the hangout and come post about how poor it is and how sucky the texture choices are. Whatever. It is your prerogative.

Thanks.

*peers* Chill it, you all. This was a good debate threat until the name calling started. You're only proving why we need moderation.

Now, as for the topic: A couple of years ago, I lost my dance chim, which had a lot of no copy stuff in it. Cost me a bit to replace it all, when the rinse and repeat failed to turn it back up. To this day forward, I refuse to buy no-copy poses or dances.

As for them charging double, while I understand the need to increase prices due to the loss of revenue, I don't think doubling it is the answer. It's not like they have to upload the thing every time someone buys it. I think that maybe an increase of 1/4th in price is fine, to make up for some of the loss.

Look at it like this, they might lose some money, but if I don't buy the item, they lose the price of the item I want to buy.

Edit to add: About three months later the stupid thing turned up.. during an asset server retrieval? I gave it to a friend.

Meaning - I had seen you run threads similar to this one before, or perhaps it was just your behavior in forum in general that scared me, being a new business owner. I do recall being scared about it - bottom line.

And I'm not taking this personally now - (I would have back then) - but I've seen this behavior toward others since then, and know that it is not personal, so don't worry.

Yes, i can understand that.

I just see furniture and animations as different.

If people were rezzing furniture and having it poof without ever coming back, i would most likely make our furniture Copiable, though, for furniture i dislike that.

I had not thought about dance balls actually, and i am so used to using my own dances that i forget dance balls even exist. So i guess that is a legitimate reason for upping the price.

I'm still grumpy over it. But now recognize the reason.

Thanks for the nice reply Lil!

YES! I agree! I would pay an extra $100-150L. But doubling the price is rather bleh and to me not well thought out.

Actually i think double the price isnt totlly unreasonable. Most places which offer say copy furniture and transfer furniture sell the copy versions at a hell of a lot more.

Lets take a copy version of a dance. Just for a normal every day person that can now be added to your chim and your prsonally dance ball you have at home for when your friends come around.

Now say a club owner buys it and say for example it is a nice neutral dance, suitable for men and women. They can now add it to their own personal chim. They can also add it to the two dance balls they have rezzed for men and women at their club.

Say a landlord buys it and decides it would be nice to offer dance balls at all their rental properties . They could be using the same dance say 20 times.

It isnt a business model i personally would do, but then again my business model is seen by most as cheap and undervaluing myself and my products anyway, but i can understand how the creator came to the number they did.

Personally i think people have the right to charge what they want. Complaining about it isnt likley to get you anywhere really

So should we never let sellers know when we are displeased with a service or product? Sure everyone have a right to charge what they want, but I don't see a problem in potential customers letting them know what will make them buy or avoid their products. Then it's up to the sellers whether they want to take that into consideration or not.

And I also want to give a big thumbs up to Akeyo, for excellent quality and having dances be copy.

Totally proves my point that there is equality in the world..
ppl born in 2003 can be just as obnoxious as those born later.

bait taken. Nice contribution too!

According to a few people here, we should just bend over and take it because we can always go elsewhere and that is their right to charge what they want. No one debated that and it is amazing the number of people who keep reiterating what was already said regarding a person charging what they want.

It is so stupid to say a person can charge what they want and then get upset at me for complaining about it when i stated in the OP - a person has a right to charge what they want.

I was just in Henmations tonight. They were selling no-copy dances at L$265 and copiable versions for something like L$675.

Perhaps it is a trend?

And I agree, not a good one.

Tomorrow when I am not so sleepy I think I'm going to Akeyo to see what's available there.

G'night forum peeps.

LOL. No less obnoxious than all that smack you were talking when you were going GA-GA over OpenLife grid. I definitely recall you talking about being in on the ground floor a few times in the OLG chat room and how great that would be. How's that going by the way? So much for the "im tired with SL and want a better home"" phase - WELCOME BACK!

And yea, i can be obnoxious. Just like you can be whatever it is you are being when you choose to enter a thread with the sole purpose of making a personal insult.

I guess when in Rome act in Roman kind.

Last dances i bought from Henmations a few months ago - were all copiable. I guess they made a switch after seeing the other place do it.

Too bad. So much for the hope of one day having a dance HUD you could rez without the fear of it poofing due to no copy animations

Snoooooore... took you a while to play catch up... but i am so glad you remembered me.

i agree with Mickey Vandeverre about trashing ppls businesses with either innuendo or just straight out attacks. Is this perhaps some 2003 priviledge? Strange though, because i know some really wonderful ppl who were born way back when.

There are ways to talk about things.. but you more often than not head off for the more dramatic effect... slash n burn.

Copy vs Trans and price diff or no is an excellent topic.... it doesn't need all the cries of 2003 and dramatic expletives.

oh...
One thing you should note.. and note well... the massive DROP in menu driven furniture prices since your golden era..
the massive DROP in script prices since your golden era
the massive DROP in skin prices, clothes prices, hair prices
etc etc ....echo echo echo...

The other "few people" can address that comment as they wish, but .......

This person thinks that perhaps you misunderstood.

This person thinks that it was unfair to claim such an outrage in such a tone over a business policy that is not out of the ordinary.

This person has a problem with the OP of a thread making the above assumptions calling another business owner a "greedy MotherF"er."

This person thinks that was going "over the top."

This person gave an example of how that could be damaging and unfair to another business owner.

This person asked the OP to "Please be really careful about this type of thread and accusations."

This person has a problem with the OP of a thread accusing another business of unfair business tactics, while they themselves are promoting that their business practices are more ethical:









This person has a HUGE problem with this generalization, and thinks that generalization is entirely inaccurate.

This person believes that all of the above does not promote "community" in the slightest.

If I ever make this much fuss over 93 cents someone please just shoot me.

FFS, these days that 93 cents can animate a whole sim's worth of people at once. You think 93 cents should entitle you to rez dance devices willy-nilly and possibly animate all of SL at the same time? And it's a shocking travesty committed by selfish n00bs from 2005 (gasp) that you should instead be asked to pay 1.86 for that privilege? A travesty that requires possibly the most arrogant and mean-spirited thread I've ever seen in these forums, instead of simply walking away and spending your precious 93 cents elsewhere?

Yep, selfishness is most definitely afoot. Among other things.

Henmations charge more than double for copy versions of their dances. Akeyo's are all copiable, which is nice. That being said, I have no problem with Sine Wave and Henmations charging for copiable dances. I would like it if they didn't, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

A copy/no trans animation is simply way more useful than a no-copy/trans animation. And yes, all those chimera's and dancemachines and whatever are to blame for that.
Nothing wrong with a creator asking more for the copy version, even if I know it costs me more as well. You want an animation? Buy one. You want it twice? Buy two, or buy the copy version and get a free unlimited backup in your inventory. It's just smart marketing.

Must say, I love copy/no-trans furniture, preferrably mod too, so I can insert a little llDie() script as well, and put the whole thing in my home made holodeck rezzer.

All of Akeyo's dances are copyable, and from memory they're all around L$350 each. There's a great selection, too. I only wish they were faster at releasing them. I want more of the 'Ben' dances!

(No, I don't have an affiliation with them. They're just bloody good dances )