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Uvas Umarov
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12-13-2007 19:29
From: Maelstrom Janus Come on Uvas whats your vested interest in the polar bear population...its quite clear you have some agenda.
I'll openly admit mine I think this animal life of this planet is under serious threat everywhere.
Of all the animals on the planet I see polar bears as the most fantastic. Their size their power.
I do not see 15000 animals as a healthy population.
Now Uvas why do you want to see bears culled ? Your view of what a healthy polar bear population is not really important. I simply oppose all the hyper-whining of the media about a non-existant problem. All scientific evidence points to growing populations. I am not "for" culling, the person I quoted stated one may be necessary in the near future to protect human populations. How many inuit children will need to be mauled before you think one is necessary?
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12-13-2007 19:33
From: Maelstrom Janus You may not be concerned that the worlds most magnificent predatory animal might end up alongside the stegosaur and the dodo in a picture book but I certainly am. .
Hold on there! When did we start talking about Great White sharks? I thought we were talking polar bears. Besides - ask any of my friends and they'll tell you that I am the worlds most magnificent predatory animal. Ham anyone?
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12-13-2007 19:33
Here's a wild off the top of my head idea...
instead of trying to kill any animal we see as a threat for whatever reason ( mainly down to the fact that the human population is spreading into every environment ) how about controlling the human population instead ?
Lets only hope that out in the proxima centauri system that someone there doesnt regard a population of several billion hostile and very destructive primates on its doorstep as a case for culling and come and give homo sapiens a taste of what he's been doing to animal life on earth for nigh on 2 million years....
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12-13-2007 19:34
From: Maelstrom Janus You havent answered my question as I said there are many reports stating the contrary to yours you only need to google polar bear to find em....
now whats YOUR interest ?? My answer is in the first link I provided. It shows the unscientific nature of all the major reports that were made in support of putting the polar bear on the endangered species list. Yes, the ones you find by googling. My interest is in wondering WHY so many people jump on a bandwagon without any scientific proof, and a fair amount of proof that the exact opposite is happening.
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Conan Godwin
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12-13-2007 19:35
From: Maelstrom Janus Here's a wild off the top of my head idea...
instead of trying to kill any animal we see as a threat for whatever reason ( mainly down to the fact that the human population is spreading into every environment ) how about controlling the human population instead ?
Interesting theory - as humans, we should side with other species over the good of our own species. I'd love to hear more of how this makes any sense. Try this for me - next you go to a sports game of any sort, sit in the home team area and cheer for the visitors.
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12-13-2007 19:35
From: Uvas Umarov Your view of what a healthy polar bear population is not really important.
I simply oppose all the hyper-whining of the media about a non-existant problem. All scientific evidence points to growing populations.
I am not "for" culling, the person I quoted stated one may be necessary in the near future to protect human populations. How many inuit children will need to be mauled before you think one is necessary? so have you had a relative killed by a polar bear then Uvas that being the case it might not be hard to see why you want the polar bear population wiped out...but I thought inuit people had lived alongside the polar bear for thousands of years and probably in far greater numbers.
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12-13-2007 19:36
Polar bears will soon be extinct or competing with barren ground grizzlies for territory but this has nothing to do with the original post.
I would love to see LL created animals roaming around the country side with no prim cost to land owners.
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12-13-2007 19:37
From: Maelstrom Janus Here's a wild off the top of my head idea...
instead of trying to kill any animal we see as a threat for whatever reason ( mainly down to the fact that the human population is spreading into every environment ) how about controlling the human population instead ?
Lets only hope that out in the proxima centauri system that someone there doesnt regard a population of several billion hostile and very destructive primates on its doorstep as a case for culling and come and give homo sapiens a taste of what he's been doing to animal life on earth for nigh on 2 million years.... Mainly because one human life is worth more than the lives of every damn bear on Earth. We are the top predator on this planet.
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12-13-2007 19:37
From: Susie Boffin I would love to see LL created animals roaming around the country side with no prim cost to land owners.
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Conan Godwin
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12-13-2007 19:38
From: Chris Norse Mainly because one human life is worth more than the lives of every damn bear on Earth. We are the top predator on this planet. Going back to what I said before - it is right and proper that we should support the "home team". In my case, humans are the home team. If you are a polar bear, then you should be supporting polar bears.
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12-13-2007 19:38
From: Maelstrom Janus Here's a wild off the top of my head idea...
instead of trying to kill any animal we see as a threat for whatever reason ( mainly down to the fact that the human population is spreading into every environment ) how about controlling the human population instead ?
Lets only hope that out in the proxima centauri system that someone there doesnt regard a population of several billion hostile and very destructive primates on its doorstep as a case for culling and come and give homo sapiens a taste of what he's been doing to animal life on earth for nigh on 2 million years.... There are brakes on human population growth. Food production being the main one. When our population outstips our ability to feed ourselves, wammo, no more population growth. Oh, wars are pretty good too.
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12-13-2007 19:39
From: Conan Godwin Interesting theory - as humans, we should side with other species over the good of our own species. I'd love to hear more of how this makes any sense.
Try this for me - next you go to a sports game of any sort, sit in the home team area and cheer for the visitors. I just hate the destruction my 'fellow' man inflicts on this planet.... At least we can control our own population without destroying it. Or maybe we should just spread and spread and spread like a fungus until there's nothing left. I could of course take the view that I wont be around when that happens and sit back without an opinion... Once earth's gone theres no where else to go yet...
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12-13-2007 19:40
From: Susie Boffin Polar bears will soon be extinct or competing with barren ground grizzlies for territory but this has nothing to do with the original post.
I would love to see LL created animals roaming around the country side with no prim cost to land owners. See what I mean? People saying polar bears are going extinct, when their numbers are growing...GROWING!!!! *bangs head on keyboard* 
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12-13-2007 19:41
From: Chris Norse Mainly because one human life is worth more than the lives of every damn bear on Earth. We are the top predator on this planet. I'll put you up in a fight against an aligator, a bengal tiger, a lion, a crocodile, a killer whale any time big white hunter....
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12-13-2007 19:43
From: Maelstrom Janus I'll put you up in a fight against an aligator, a bengal tiger, a lion, a crocodile, a killer whale any time big white hunter.... My opposable thumb and ability to make and use tools means I will win.
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12-13-2007 19:43
From: Uvas Umarov See what I mean? People saying polar bears are going extinct, when their numbers are growing...GROWING!!!! *bangs head on keyboard*  check out the world wildlife fund site.... of course you'll no doubt rubbish them.
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12-13-2007 19:43
From: Maelstrom Janus I just hate the destruction my 'fellow' man inflicts on this planet.... At least we can control our own population without destroying it.
Or maybe we should just spread and spread and spread like a fungus until there's nothing left. I could of course take the view that I wont be around when that happens and sit back without an opinion...
Once earth's gone theres no where else to go yet... Like fungus, there will be an upper limit at which point our continued spreading will reach a natural peak and stop of its own accord. Our population increases because we have the resources to allow it to. There will be no apocalyptic future of overpopulation causing starvation and death, because the population will naturally stop expanding when there are no longer sufficient resources to sustain the expansion. Any species expands to fill the available space, and stops when that space is filled. By resources, I mean food. Oil and gas etc may run out, but we coped before we discovered them and we'll cope when they're gone.
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12-13-2007 19:44
From: Maelstrom Janus so have you had a relative killed by a polar bear then Uvas that being the case it might not be hard to see why you want the polar bear population wiped out...but I thought inuit people had lived alongside the polar bear for thousands of years and probably in far greater numbers. Yes the Inuit people have lived with polar bears and many other animals for years and they don't see them as enemies. Only modern Americans or Canadians see bears as something to be exterminated. The Polar Eskimos would not have survived without their bears and it is sad to see it all end here with global warming and greedy commercialism.
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12-13-2007 19:45
From: Chris Norse My opposable thumb and ability to make and use tools means I will win. make yourself a rifle or revolver as a tiger pounces on you then chris.... and just how good would you be in the water up against a shark chris...youre in a wheel chair arent you ? Is that going to give you some advantage over this planets bigger predators I hadnt thought about.
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12-13-2007 19:46
From: Maelstrom Janus make yourself a rifle or revolver as a tiger pounces on you then chris....
and just how good would you be in the water up against a shark chris...youre in a wheel chair arent you ? Is that going to give you some advantage over this planets bigger predators I hadnt thought about. Mankinds ability to build submarines and torpedoes would see off any shark,
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12-13-2007 19:47
From: Maelstrom Janus so have you had a relative killed by a polar bear then Uvas that being the case it might not be hard to see why you want the polar bear population wiped out...but I thought inuit people had lived alongside the polar bear for thousands of years and probably in far greater numbers. Um, why would you think I want the polar bears wiped out? Yes, the inuit have hunted and killed those bad boys for thousands of years. I am only saying that the bears are fine, their population is growing at a healthy steady rate. Regardless of what the fear-mongerers are trying to sell you.
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12-13-2007 19:48
The Earth may be warming, but it is not caused by human activity. Just for kicks Google "global warming on Mars". You can't tell me humans are causing the polar ice caps on Mars to melt.
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12-13-2007 19:48
I think we're getting side tracked here. The regular polar bears are one thing; it's those armoured bears I'm worried about.
Personally I'm sceptical on the issue of global warming too.
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12-13-2007 19:49
From: Conan Godwin Mankinds ability to build submarines and torpedoes would see off any shark, Im sure Uvas will be able to provide you with many number of reports into shark induced fatalities in those areas where larger more agressive sharks are native.... 
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12-13-2007 19:49
From: Conan Godwin Mankinds ability to build submarines and torpedoes would see off any shark, So would a nice explosive harpoon. 
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