Oh gone are the good days

See, this is the fun part. I never suggested grid wide LOLcubes. I'm not umbrella-ing that EVERYONE loves bedlam. I have friends that enjoy playing dollie and dressup. And, guess what? That's fun too. (^_^) The quote I keep reiterating is 'Be the change YOU want to see'... Not 'Be the change I want to see'. I'm having my fun. You having an issue with it is your ulcer, not mine. (^_^)

And, thank you for the Bloodlines example. It helps me prove my point. Guess what? I ~do~ RP once in a while. But, here's the thing: I do things in context. In the sandbox, I do sandbox-y things. When I want to RP, I go to the RP sim I like.

Since the new CEO has "taken over" Second Life operations the place has become kind of shit

Yes it has been busier and there's no longer miles and miles of adfarms & brothels, but also the colourful character SL used to have is now also gone.

About 2 years ago you could go up and speak to anyone, you were guaranteed that they were either a greifer, a bot or a genuine person, things were pretty black & white then.

now SL reminds me more of London, or New York. It's all about the money, the business and status.

gone are the days of chilling at some party, the really funny protests & marches and the good 'ol RPing at some really kool but random tripped out sim.

Now nearly ALL of the mainland is just houses or the same malls over & over.

Before when i flew across the mainland I'd see all sorts of crazy and random builds, some great & some just awful, but now its just sooo so bland and boring. with the same prefabricated houses set for sale.

There are currently 4 main DarkRP/combat sims i know of, and 1 of them is shit (i'm sure some of the older forum dwellers will know what one i am talking of)

to add salt to injuries absolutely NO technicle progress has been made what so ever, all these new rules and polacies are great, but they must come with technical advancements to.

Where are our shared Windlight sky settings, are infinitely visible terrains, volumetric clouds, shaders, speedtree vegitation and the list goes on & on.

Either SL will end up folding in on itlself or they are planning something really big (SL 2.0?) that will blow us all away.

What are your opinions and thoughts on the issues?

Is Yumi still complaining about me nibbling on her toes? I didn't MEAN to bite that hard. I'm SORRY already!

Which is exactly the point - you're having your fun without caring what anyone else thinks about it. And that's fine, but if everyone does it, it's ultimately destructive. What if people don't want to hear your sound effects or walk on your bridge in the sandbox, and especially if they don't want to have cubes dropped on their heads?

Sure, but context on its own isn't enough (and I'm doubtful that "breaking the security" of sandboxes remains in context for them) - you also need consideration.

No. I care. I care about the people in my direct vicinity. When I have the urge to make a mess, I go to a place where messes are welcome and grenade the place. When it's time to play dressup, I find my dollie friends and we pull out the frilly skirts. When someone asks for help, I *GASP* answer their questions to the best of my knowledge.

Consideration, yes, but not to the point of beige life. The thread started with complaints that SL has relatively worn out it's own buzz. I say, boring is boring because boring people make it that way. Have some fun, live a little, keep all this "responsibility" mess in RL, and just maybe we'll find a bit of fun around. (^_^)y

Consideration, yes, but not to the point of beige life.

Where is "a place where messes are welcome"? Not a sandbox, by any chance?



Sure, and as I've said, this only works because you're one of a small number of people doing it. If everyone did it, the result would be chaos in which no-one could do everything. Beige Life is ultimately the only scalable model in which nobody jumps in front. Sad but true.

Isn't that the whole point of sandboxes? To make a mess?

Chaos is a great thing, it leads to innovation. It leads to growth.

Depends if other people are trying to build serious things there.



Again, you're talking about controlled experimentation. Chaos can never become anything except more chaos; even the concepts of innovation and growth require some kind of order.

I disagree. The advances in this world have come from the dreamers, the guys in their garages, barns, basements and back rooms doing what everyone else said was impossible. They weren't controlled, they operated out of chaos. Things blew up, projects failed, but they keep the dream alive.

Do some research on spontaneous order. I know it is an alien concept to you. But it is how most people live their lives.

Right, exactly. Spontaneous order. The spontaneous order that we have in SL is what gives us the situation that we have now.

I'm not talking about experimenting and making new things because you want to. I'm talking about what Immy's referred to flying around dropping cubes on people or blowing them all over sandboxes, "breaking security", firing gesture particles around in WAs, etc - which, in practice, are really ways of making oneself the centre of attention. If everyone did that the ultimate result would be that nobody could do anything in SL because they kept having cubes dropped on them, and no sandbox would stay up for more than 10 seconds before 20 people's physics explosions crashed the sim. Moreover, not everyone can be the centre of attention by definition, so certainly it wouldn't be the same experience.

There's nothing wrong with being active and contributing to surroundings. My issue is with contributing in ways that conflict, or potentially conflict, with others. I have an issue with it because, if everyone does it, the result is bedlam that nobody enjoys.

Then Yumi, it is up to the landowner to exercise control over his property. If the landowner bans Immy, then she can't very well drop cubes on people on that plot of property can she? (disclaimer: I have no clue if Immy drops anything other than her knickers when she streaks the hangout) If enough land owners ban Immy, then she will learn that dropping cubes is not acceptable behavior, spontaneous order. Tell me Yumi, why don't most people steal, kill and rape? Is it because of laws and control or because most people know those activities are morally wrong?

We can all be the center of attention, because we don't have the same experiences. My "attention" will by definition be different than yours. You may want the attention of people congratulating you on a nice build. I may want the attention of people laughing at my jokes.

The key here I think is with Immy, and myself, since I do it very often also, that when someone in the 'crowd' displays that they have a true problem with it, we will tend to 'leave' them out of the play more often that not.

I tend to be very interactive with the surrounding - at times to an ultra annoying degree. Some will enjoy it, some will be annoyed, and some will just go ballistic. The point here is that I view myself as a agent of inertia - most beings will stay in the same path without some sort of outside push, and that is what I exist for. To provide that push to see something outside of their path.

You've contradicted yourself there, though, and you've emphasized my point. People don't steal, kill and rape. But what you're saying is that they should try out stealing or kiling once, and if they get jailed/banned for it then they can realise it is wrong. I'm sure you can see the problem with everyone doing that - namely, that after everyone has tried killing once, there will be only one person left standing.

But that isn't enough - because it means they get left out. Whereas, if you weren't there "playing", the crowd may have been doing something else which would have included them.

But how many people do you actually push squarely back ONTO their path, by giving them the feeling that the world will allow others to express themselves but not them?

...Does it always work for the best, of course not. Someone in power gets upset, and I get a new banned location. I shrug, move on, and continue to be myself...

OMG! If you're the one actually getting banned, I gotta work harder! Xd

I got banned from Gorean sims a couple of times, apparently they don't have ferrets in Gor. And I hadn't even tried to bite anyone!

I miss the casinos ... would ask baby you need some money to buy you a new little pretty dress and I would bat my lashes and say yes Daddy.

Not at all. I am saying most people do not harm others because they know it is wrong, not because of dictates from on high. Do you require a law to keep you from stealing or killing?

Perhaps they would, perhaps they wouldn't. I can not predict the future, all I know for sure is the present. Any interaction brings change with out any means to know if that change is good, bad, or just different.