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Merwan Marker
Booring...
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05-04-2009 14:06
From: Toy LaFollette
I miss when Lindens did hourly Event notices



And I've missed you!!

Yoooooooooooooooooooooooo, Toy, how you B?????


*Hugs*
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3D Scientist
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05-04-2009 14:11
From: Ephraim Kappler
...it really is just about what your imagination allows.



and your bank account.
Ephraim Kappler
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05-04-2009 14:15
From: 3D Scientist
and your bank account.

That's just cynical, which is to say that a cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Doing it yourself has precious little to do with the quality of your bank account.

The limits are entirely determined by what you can do for yourself.
Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
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05-04-2009 14:26
From: Ephraim Kappler

The limits are entirely determined by what you can do for yourself.


Not necessarily. Although you can do many things in SL "for yourself", doing so isn't worth the money, since you could just close your eyes and imagine.

The extra value added by SL is in the social side, and this involves other people who inevitably impose at least some limits.
3D Scientist
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05-04-2009 14:26
From: Ephraim Kappler
That's just cynical, which is to say that a cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Doing it yourself has precious little to do with the quality of your bank account.

The limits are entirely determined by what you can do for yourself.


/me closes my eyes and imagines owning 10 sims.

it's not working! :mad:
Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
05-04-2009 14:44
From: Merwan Marker
And I've missed you!!

Yoooooooooooooooooooooooo, Toy, how you B?????


*Hugs*

I been arond, miss seeing you also *HUGZ*
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Porky Gorky
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Join date: 25 May 2004
Posts: 1,414
05-04-2009 16:13
I think the mainland looks allot better compared to 2 plus years ago. It’s true there is a vast increase in the amount of prefabs out there, but the quality of prefab builds nowadays has improved allot. The prefab market has never been more diverse and there are allot of new up and coming builders out there putting out designs that are very original and unique looking. From my own market research the number of note worthy prefab builders has doubled since this time last year. I think this means that as the casual user continues to rely upon prefabs rather than learning to build, we will see allot more diversity in the prefabs on the mainland.
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
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05-04-2009 16:23
From: Brenda Connolly
I have no idea what that means. Is it naughty.


I think the 1st part has to do with the anime "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzimiya"??
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Weston Graves
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05-04-2009 16:52
I too would like to see more creativity - but I think I'm not contributing a lot either. Creating stuff is really quite hard when you work yourself into a stupor in the real world.

We just have to keep trying. Once in a while I see something that blows me away, and then the magic is there again.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
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05-04-2009 17:45
From: Tod69 Talamasca
I think the 1st part has to do with the anime "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzimiya"??
Nehehehe =^-^=

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Void Singer
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Join date: 24 Sep 2005
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05-04-2009 18:25
the biggest change I miss?

not having to pay for an account =)

(and yes it's really the implication, not the cost, I miss)
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Osprey Therian
I want capslocklock
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05-04-2009 18:27
From: Merwan Marker
Someone say "colorful character"


I B here to rescue the day!


:) :cool:


MERWAN!!!!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Salazar Jack
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Join date: 12 Feb 2004
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05-04-2009 19:00
From: Merwan Marker
Someone say "colorful character"


I B here to rescue the day!


:) :cool:



You are almost as ninja-like as Magellan Linden!

Howdy!
Ephraim Kappler
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05-04-2009 19:58
From: Yumi Murakami
Not necessarily. Although you can do many things in SL "for yourself", doing so isn't worth the money, since you could just close your eyes and imagine.

That's just cynical - and unimaginative.

While I agree that it is fun to just go out and buy what you want, it isn't by any means the only way to enjoy S or anything else come to think of it.
Amity Slade
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05-04-2009 20:00
Second Life was managed about the same stellar way when Phillip was CEO as now. The only difference I can see is that the new administration makes far more promises it never gets close to fulfilling. The old administration didn't fulfill promises either; it just made far fewer promises.
Elric Anatine
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Join date: 27 Feb 2007
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05-04-2009 21:20
While LL has executed some "improvements" very poorly, the most recent of which we are only beginning to see the repercussions of, I think that SL can be just as engaging and fun as it once was.

This has certainly been a year of transformation, and there are many months ahead of shifts. It may be prudent to roll up your sleeves and simply enjoy what you can... or not, as the case may be.

I am still inspired, in awe, finding never enough time to do all I wish... AND... I am so very grateful for the clothing designers who are realizing that some men do want to look sharp ;-)
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Yumi Murakami
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05-05-2009 07:31
From: Ephraim Kappler
That's just cynical - and unimaginative.

While I agree that it is fun to just go out and buy what you want, it isn't by any means the only way to enjoy S or anything else come to think of it.


No, but that's not what I was saying. What I'm saying is that something that just (somehow) takes in what you're imagining and echoes it back to you, unchanged, isn't actually much fun and isn't worth paying too much for. Even if you think about the "holodeck", which is the common reference for these things in fiction, it always somehow enhanced what people were thinking of.

SL can enhance imagination in several ways. Some people find the act of building itself to be enhancing. Others prefer to buy things others have made, meaning that their imaginations are enhanced by the seller's extra creative input. For others, the enhancement is that they can involve real other people in the situation. But there must always be some enhancement.

And that's great, but it's also a snag. Because although SL's design can allow people the freedom to reproduce their imaginations, it can't guarantee enhancement for everyone. Not everyone enjoys building. There isn't guaranteed to be a seller selling what someone likes; and, indeed, it might not be profitable/viable to sell, so there will never be anyone selling it for long. Other people can't be guaranteed to show up and join in, and.. well, I don't want to come off sounding mean, but I would not be morally happy with "forcibly" involving other people as Immy described.

So, that's sort of what I'm saying. SL's creativity has declined because the availability of enhancement has declined, and that's happened partly because the population generally has become more mainstream and less likely to just "try things out", and also because the population is now too big for that technique to provide enhanement for a significant proportion anyway.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-05-2009 08:00
From: Yumi Murakami
..."forcibly" involving other people...
Eh? (O.o)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-05-2009 08:23
Really. When I read "Everybody isn't being creative enough!" what I actually get from it is "I refuse to be creative and people aren't spoonfeeding me the content I want." (>_<;)

I have very little time to invest in SL. I have to hold down a full time job to pay for my RL house, interwebs, and that shiny new Das Keyboard I got yesterday. As a result, I find myself in a position where I make every moment count. I've done my share of standing around and pouting "Nobody wants to play with me"... As a result, out of silliness... I rezzed cylinder, cut path and hollow, laid it out on the ground and stretched it in a way it could be walked on... Then I put float text on it that said "Bridge to Getoverit". People didn't think twice to take a little stroll over my bridge. They just started doing it. Good stupid fun. (^_^)

I mean... Do we ~HAVE~ to make the world renowned Next Big Thing®©™ all the time? At what point does "fun" become "work" and "work" become "chore"? (+_+)

I quoted Mohandas Gandhi in my first post and swear by those words. I want to make the experience in SL to be playful, creative, simple minded, educational, and fun. Maybe I ~am~ turning the place into the digital equivalent of chewing on crayons, but, I'm having a blast in the process and I see other people joining in on the fun. I teach classes. I co-host Q&A events. I help keep the Kuula sandbox secure. I also break that sense of security to keep the place from turning dull. (^_^)

And, all this talk about money... (=_=) ... Sure, I do have a premium account. I consider SL to be my entertainment dollar. Seventy-something dollars a year is fine by me considering what I could be spending on buying/renting DVDs, paying for cable TV, video games, and stuff like that. Beyond that, I don't spend on SL. I'm more a catalyst of the SL economy. Between my teaching position, sales of the junk I slap together, and random gifts my friends toss around, I get everything I want to enjoy things here. (Note, I used the word "want". Focus on that. "Need" doesn't apply here. There are no "needs" in SL unless you have determined them for yourself.) (^_^)

I'm not smart. I'm not creative. I dont know how to make the Next Big Thing®©™. I'm not always nice. I'm not always friendly. But! I'm also not hellbent in requiring the world around me to bend to my desires without any effort on my part. It takes a boring person to find true boredom. And, really, I'll say it again: "Be the change you want to see in the world." (^_^)y
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Yumi Murakami
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05-05-2009 08:30
Examples, without judgment:

From: Imnotgoing Sideways

/me physbombs you with Haruhi-"Obey" cubes with loops of Carameldansen playing in them. =^-^=


From: Imnotgoing SIdeways

My favorite quite remains from the day I chased off some giant soldier guy with nothing more than my little avatar and a "Nyaa~ Nyaa~!" gesture. (^_^)


From: Imnotgoing Sideways

I'm helper and griefer alike, depending on how people approach me. (^_^)


From: Imnotgoing Sideways

Actually.... Don't click anywhere on me, you will not be pleased. (^_^)y


From: Imnotgoing Sideways

Maybe I ~am~ turning the place into the digital equivalent of chewing on crayons, but, I'm having a blast in the process


From: Imnotgoing Sideways

I also break that sense of security to keep the place from turning dull. (^_^)
Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-05-2009 08:44
From: Yumi Murakami
Examples, without judgment:
Ah... I'm guilty of being active and contributing to my surroundings. Makes half-sense now. I still don't get the "force" bit. Is this like addressing the kind of person that makes phone calls about bad TV shows instead of simply changing the channel? (^_^)y
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Yumi Murakami
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05-05-2009 08:48
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Ah... I'm guilty of being active and contributing to my surroundings. Makes half-sense now. I still don't get the "force" bit. Is this like addressing the kind of person that makes phone calls about bad TV shows instead of simply changing the channel? (^_^)y


There's nothing wrong with being active and contributing to surroundings. My issue is with contributing in ways that conflict, or potentially conflict, with others. I have an issue with it because, if everyone does it, the result is bedlam that nobody enjoys.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-05-2009 09:04
From: Yumi Murakami
...the result is bedlam that nobody enjoys.
Actually. I and quite a few of the people I know ~do~ enjoy bedlam. "Nobody" is an umbrella statement that supports you agenda, but, it's far from the truth or fact of the matter. (^_^)

Unfettered imaginations at work, you know? We don't really cross lines, but we do move them around a bit. (^_^)

"Include a touch of insanity in your life. Because nobody in the world knows how to tax that." - Anon (^_^)y
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Yumi Murakami
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05-05-2009 09:10
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Actually. I and quite a few of the people I know ~do~ enjoy bedlam. "Nobody" is an umbrella statement that supports you agenda, but, it's far from the truth or fact of the matter.


No, you enjoy the nice feeling of having unrestrained fun with friends. That's great, but it's not the same thing as if the whole world was doing it. Conflict chaos is not likely to be enjoyed by anyone. I know from your other posts that you, for example, don't like Bloodlines much; bedlam would include getting 200 Bloodlines requests in a row. While 500 people in turn drop cubes on you, you have to turn your speakers off because of the clashing of hundreds of different sound effects at once, and you can't rez a bridge for the hundreds of labelled bridges already taking up your screen.. it's the "infinite back-off" problem.

How many Immys can you put in a box before they start to kill each other? :)
Imnotgoing Sideways
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05-05-2009 09:31
From: Yumi Murakami
No, you enjoy the nice feeling of having unrestrained fun with friends. That's great, but it's not the same thing as if the whole world was doing it. Conflict chaos is not likely to be enjoyed by anyone. I know from your other posts that you, for example, don't like Bloodlines much; bedlam would include getting 200 Bloodlines requests in a row. While 500 people in turn drop cubes on you, you have to turn your speakers off because of the clashing of hundreds of different sound effects at once, and you can't rez a bridge for the hundreds of labelled bridges already taking up your screen.. it's the "infinite back-off" problem.
See, this is the fun part. I never suggested grid wide LOLcubes. I'm not umbrella-ing that EVERYONE loves bedlam. I have friends that enjoy playing dollie and dressup. And, guess what? That's fun too. (^_^)

The quote I keep reiterating is 'Be the change YOU want to see'... Not 'Be the change I want to see'. I'm having my fun. You having an issue with it is your ulcer, not mine. (^_^)y

And, thank you for the Bloodlines example. It helps me prove my point. Guess what? I ~do~ RP once in a while. But, here's the thing: I do things in context. In the sandbox, I do sandbox-y things. When I want to RP, I go to the RP sim I like. If Bloodliners want to play their game, more power to them. I just personally prefer that they keep it on their sim. Now, find a quote where I said they have no right to exist at all, ever. I don't suggest everyone join bloodlines and turn the entirety of SL into a game. But, I also don't suggest the complete and total eradication of the game. People enjoy it. That's a good thing. It's a crying shame that it's a profiteering pyramid scheme, but, hey... that's the rub. (=_=)
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How many Immys can you put in a box before they start to kill each other? :)
OMG! I can imagine a cloud of Immy's flying by, mashing each other up, laughing all the way, and any onlookers simply asking... "What the hell was that?" =^-^=
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