Teens on the Main Grid: pre-emptive discussions

Hi, I'm originaly from the Teen Grid and I just have to say most of these arguments are so one sided. Like when I first started playing SL I was underage so I created my "life" so to speak on the TG. Then all of a sudden I get a happy birthday IM and I'm in this strange new enviorment. The current system Is messed up to all us transfer players, who are one grid then thrown into the other! I lost my shop, lost my firends, and had to pay so much to update my avi to look decent on the MG. It sucks big time

Btw I'm on my phone typing this so sorry for any errors.

It bites that you lose things you've paid for, that definitely needs to be fixed.

"$ADULT booted a friend of mine, and I IMed him to complain, and he started propositioning me on voice". No logs, no evidence, no links.

I like that idea someone else had of putting voice on different channels depending on criteria.

I agree Bully, that transfering from TG should transfer your inventory as well. I wasn't aware this wasn't automatic . That really REALLY sucks.

I transferred to the Main Grid, last December (200 from the Teen Grid. I was transferred on the day and everything came with me over here including my full inventory and L$'s balance. LL removed friends list, group list and landmarks. However all Teens turning 18 have to submit a support ticket to Linden Lab about a week before transferring. When LL switched me over to the MG the log on-screen was different and I arrived at the TG Transfer Station in Baffin.

I'm not for or against this grid merge idea, but LL should be fixing TG problems for sure!
There will be a talk about future of SL's Teen Grid & Main Grid this Wednesday March 25, starting at 1pm SLT until 2pm SLT. For more details visit: http://www.nonprofitcommons.org/content/come-talk-about-future-sls-teen-grid-main-grid-wednesday-march-25

Why on Earth would they take your textures?

I was thinking the same thing but maybe because they can't really distinguish between snapshots and textures? I can sort of see why they might want to remove snapshots from your inventory but if you're a builder and uploaded a bunch of custom textures that would really suck.

Oh and it really is interesting getting former teen grid perspectives on this thread.

Kid, we don't want any hanging IP issues.

And they made him sit on the Group W Bench. With mother-rapers. Father-rapers! And the meanest, weirdest, blingtardiest father-raper asked him, "Kid, what are you in for?"

Prim littering.

And they all kinda moved away from him on the Group W bench, and then they left him and went to Ursula....

You can get anything you want
At Linden Labs Second Life
(excepting mainland)
(Duck)Walk right in its across the tracks
Just about a mile from the forum chats
You can get anything you want
At Linden Labs Second Life...

Ahh! Sorry I got that wrong, LL removes friends list, groups and landmarks!

Teens cannot move their own land over here, however they can transfer private regions with them to the Main Grid, if they want to do that. I was a teen grid resident between October 2006 to December 2008 and I still miss being in the TG community. I just keep in touch with friends via messengers and e-mails to keep informed on what's going on.

There is more information about the Teen Grid transfer process on the Second Life Knowlege Base https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417 then type "Teen" and click Search. SL Forums > Search > type in "Teen" to search for posts about the TG.

If you have not seen the Teen Grid before, then you should check out this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielvoyager/collections/72157603596877318/
http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#Teen_Second_Life
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/List_of_all_Second_Life_Groups_on_Flickr.com#Teen_Second_Life


UPDATE
Adult Content Forum Transcript on March 24th 2009:
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

What MortVent Charron said (above on this page) - very well said.

And,



Could it be more insinuating, cloudy and vague? Sorry but until or unless you say that you have inside knowledge of why LL is suddenly making this radical shift, ages after the fact, then people who posit that they chose this because they think it's what some group *wants* are just as valid.

If they do not feel this will appeal to some new market, then WHY do it. (And btw you either misunderstood or are twisting my original words, because I did not say consumer groups pressured or boycotted them. What I said was, once these ohmigosh precious heard a bad word types are IN Second Life, they could raise stinks about this or that, on behalf of their kids or even their own tender sensibilities. So far, that group hasn't been heavily marketed to, so it hasn't happened, was what I was actually saying.

Once they are in, they will feel it's their community too - and just wait til they get a load of some of the sims and groups still marked mature, but not segregated. Now that's the best I can explain my original post on that. Past this I give up.

At no point do they need to reference the fraudulent account or the incident.


They can simply say "so and so contacted me and started saying and asking bad things"

Yes - if kids do come onto the regular grid, I think a lot of people will be afraid to even be on the same sim with them. Can you imagine the griefing potential? Log into SL, ruin someone's RL, in a matter of minutes.

Actually it might be a carrot to extend to those who sign up for adult accounts - a separate voice channel. But wait...the kid could still say they got onto the kid voice channel and said something naughty.

Back to square one. :/

then they shouldn't grief the main grid residents then

more plausible, but there's little supporting evidence that way (and I think use of voice might be trackable but not sure, just not the actual convo) but wouldn't they still need to be in the same location? if $ADULT was on $MATURE land...

@Clarissa:
Those groups are already here and have been a long time.

to be fair, yes there are some basic things that need to be address before this kind of thing happens, and I really like Ghostly's idea of flagging voice differently, regardless of it not being very web 3.0, it'd save LL plenty of hassle.

and speking of the 3.0 paradigm, it makes sense to demonstrate that content can be segregated, because you don't want to have porn ad's popping up while you're shopping at amazon, why would you want to have a BDSM playground next to a virtual shoe store (first person to mention trampling gets smacked)(damn, that'd be me)

I do hope that happens. There are some amazing and wonderful teenagers who have started over there - and some have already crossed over to the main grid and enriched our world. I was hoping the TG, if abandoned, would be perfect for my Geezer Grid, however after years of patience I realise the TG will stay the TG. No GG RATS!

(Sims would be named Marchbank, Deptford, Malice, Salterton, Table Talk, High Spirits, Leaven, Manticore, Breakfast, Papers, Brindled, Robertson, and Davies. There could be leveling in Geezerkraft - for instance telling someone off for being uncivilised might get you 1.7 million Geezerkraft points. )

Unfortunately that's not a drawback. People's lives really have been ruined by accusations of sexual misconduct with minors with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

Indeed if many laws are passed...it will get worse

Right now a child can say something, and boom no bail just jail for the accused.

Many times the child can never get it's story straight... and no evidence but the "protect the innocent child from the bad adults" situation puts them in position to possibly get a conviction based on the child's word alone...

And it is passing (morons) in various nations as well where the mere accusation is enough to get you added to the sex registries

Here's a cool slideshow of an art installation addressing the adult content issue for anyone interested.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nebulosus_severine/sets/72157615750117873/show/

I've also seen a lot of backlash against this sort of thing, even to the point of ignoring some credible evidence, so it is a two way street. I won't pretend it CAN'T happen, but the odds? maybe LL can do something to prevent such cases, and it should be looked at. but that's not fundamentally different from a variety of web locations, and I think looking at how they handle it should be the first step LL takes.

Not allowing teens on the main grid is the best solution.

For all parties

you could make the same argument for the entire internet (and wouldn't be the first). but other venues have handled it just fine, and I imagine SL will too if/when LL follows through on a merge.

I also believe there are positives for both LL and SL as a whole in a merge, there is a large pool of untapped talent and creativity in the teen grid that's being smothered and wasted under the current system. unleashing that could revitalize not only LL's image, but the grid as a whole IMO.

And there is going to be a counter to that positive:

1 - You smother the creativity of adults that have to reign in what they do so not to offend or disturb the teens/parents.
2 - You wind up with a loss of membership since the adult playground is now a teen playground with all the smothering rules of the teen grid (account restrictions, content restrictions, behavior restrictions, etc) places on the grid as a whole
3 - Legal issues driving away even the adults who don't interact in an 'adult' manner on the grid


Make the teen grid better, don't destroy the adult grid.

And to be honest under 18... should not be on the internet without supervision. Be it a parent, guardian, or teacher.

It's like letting a manic depressive schizophrenic with homicidal tendencies wearing a trench coat, clown mask, and carrying a chainsaw babysit your kids if you're not watching out for them online.

I can agree with that in principle (in practice, individual cases vary, but in general, SOME level of monitoring is required of anyone without legal responsibility for themselves)

SL is not like, well, virtually anywhere on the Internet.

When you visit a page on the Internet, nobody knows, nobody sees you, and if you're "on a page" and some kid is "on the same page" it doesn't mean anything. Even if the page is smutty as all get out.

That's not true in SL. SL is a "place" in a way that pretty much nothing else on the Internet is.