Teens on the Main Grid: pre-emptive discussions

But I paid for "mature" land and I am no longer going to be able build anything I want on it. In fact, I'll have to move to have the same freedoms I had when I bought it.

By resticting access for NPIOF's to below 3000 meters, you would still be allowing them to use any piece of land with less restrcitions then I had for 4 years of building below 1500 meters. Honestly, I didn't find it that limiting.

People typically only build UP for privacy. In 2004 we thought having your skybox at 1000 meters was the cat's meow. Building over that height ... well, things got weird, scripts wouldn't work, etc.

At this point, what is going to be more invasive and disruptive? Moving everyone to more land to destroy the land market even more, or making a simple concession to the privacy people want in their Second Life?

This way being NPIOF would not hinder your movement thru SL, would not require anyone to move anywhere except maybe a few meters up or down on their own property, and maybe would make Ms Teen USA less likely to see the naughty things she ought not to be seeing.

The current plan of moving just businesses advertising sex products is ludicrous and certainly isnt going to stop Ms Teen USA from finding all sorts of naughty up in peoples skyboxs.

It just sounds better to me then this mass move to PornLand. Mostly because I don't want to have to move but feel like I am being forced to in order to retain "My World, My Imagination"

*Perking up* Oh? That sounds rather promising, and allows me to adopt a more wait and see attitude. Thanks for sharing.

It was promising, and it did exactly the same for me.

It's not that it's "limiting" in so far as what can be built, it's that I can't use the land as I wish. At least, if I had an adult business to be moved to a new continent, if I wanted to build at ground level I'm sure I could.

Now that I'm going to have to move to PornLand, I'm also in the position that I can no longer use my land as I wish. Not just the part that's above 3000 meters, but all of it.

I don't have an adult business I want to move. I have adult appetites and perversions that I thought would be safe on land marked as "mature".

I am however considering making an adult product line to advertise just so I can get moved to PornLand for free.

What you do in your own home is not part of the equation. LL is talking about moving businesses, not private residences.

Which is incredibly stupid, short sighted and potentially as assinine as it could get.

So little Ms Teen USA will still be able to see me engaging in adult activities in my home, she just wont be able to shop for the products Im utilizing.

How does that make any sense whatsoever?

We do not know that Miss Teen USA will be able to see into your home. Moving teens onto the main grid is a separate event - if it's an event that happens at all - from moving the hardcore to a separate continent.

Do you read this stuff at all, or just post commentary?

Ghosty, the underlying problem is that Ms Teen USA is already here, she's been here since late 2003. She's already seen me flogging my husband and they will be doing a Fox News documentary on it in a few weeks with video captured from a neighboring sim.

I do read this stuff. I'm trying to offer a more workable solution then is currently being discussed by our benevolent overlords.

Yes, we know this already. The point of this thread, had you read the starting post, was about sharing the grid with teens *knowingly*. That is quite a bit different than sharing the grid with teens who sneak on by breaking the 18+ rule (a rule that, admittedly, is not currently enforced by LL).

Moving the adult stuff to a new place is not the same event as merging the teen grid with the main one.

Now, along with the move, LL is considering putting in new age verification systems, both inworld as well as at signup. Yes, to me that reeks of teen-grid-merge, but it's still a separate event AFAWK. That second event, if it happens at all (and I have reason to believe now that it might not, but I want to make sure I say the right stuff) is what the poll and the impetus of the thread was actually about.

Are you with us, man? *throws Pie a life perserver*

edit: and I agree, it's stupid.

If you don't see the moving of adult content as a step to a merged grid, then I guess this could be seen as two seperate events. To my mind tho, everything since open-registration has led to the merger of teen and main grids and this is just one more step along that path.

You mean 768 meters.

I don't see why this would need to be restricted to PIOF, though. Let people flip the ban-lines on their parcel up to the skybox zone only, up at 3000 meters where people won't accidentally fly into them. Then you can keep the people you want out of your skybox, whether the people you don't want are NPIOF, people outside your private group, people not on your access list, that asshole in the next sim who's been particle-bombing you.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2390

This is only access control, though. It's not going to give you privacy. You can set draw distance to 4096 meters in the debug settings. Real privacy will take something like Gigs Taggart's privacy pocket, safely relocated to the top of the new building range:

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205

Oh, absolutely, you are 100% on target IMHO. And I know for a fact there are Lindens who want to see this accomplished. But, they are happening separately, and there is hope that a merge won't actually happen.

A lot of people feel the same way. It seems their "world" is about to be flooded with minors. Whether they want to move or not, Pornland might be the only mainland where they can relax and play with their "imaginations" without worrying about making a suprise cameo on TeenVision.
There is also the difference in land value loss that many like me would have to eat in order make a move to Pornland... and for me, thats no small meal. I wouldn't trade my spot in this beautiful, settled, lag-free, nearly neighbor free, 25% linden protected, original mainland sim for 3 times the square meters of garbage flat green over there.

Whether this is *part* of a merge, it's certainly a *prerequisite* to a merge, and it's reasonable to consider a merge being part of the motivation for this process.

Interesting. I was all set to clarify, distinguishing between the risk on the sub-Adult grid of being *seen* by a minor, on the one hand, and on the other, *engaging* in adult activities with one.

And then with some shock I realized that legally that's a distinction without much of a difference. In both cases, the adult would be basically a pornographer. Strictly within SL, cybering with Little Johnnie is no more illegal than allowing circumstances to exist in which he might glimpse an age-inappropriate texture while nobody else is even present.



(As if I needed additional reasons to move to the safety of Adult land.)

SVC-205

I absolutely will not have anything to do with a virtual world that mixes teens with adults. The constant acts of necessary self-censorship would be too much of a strain. Heaven's sakes, the usual RL pursuits would be easier to deal with and much less dangerous.

Also, from the social perspective, I find that adults can often be difficult enough to deal with on the internet but irascible teenagers are impossible.

What planet are the planners living on? Do they think the teenagers will be happy with singalonga-SL around their educationally sound but otherwise dull-as-dishwater campfire parties? The little blighters will be scamming their way into adult sims and snapping up x-rated animations before you can say "Sesame Street".

At least that's what I would have been doing when I was a hormone-raddled scamp.

I would most definitely cancel my account if the merger became a reality. In fact my commitment to spending time in SL has already begun to wane since this particular whack of bullsh!t hit the fan some time back.

I think I'll buy a copy of Maya and get on with some real work.

I will be fine sharing the grid with teens if their name on screen has some sort of Scarlet T or other obvious identifier next to it and the land controls to ban all Teens if I so choose from any parcel or entire estate.

Your views are shared over the grid..

And depending on the conditions of the merge, if we as adults must delete all adult related stuff, be confined to a particular section of SL because god forbid a teen seens me on my poseballs and decides to report me...

I can certianly see the "teens" ARing all the adults to get rid of them and smile in triumph.......

I hope someone soon comes up with an alt. to this SL becuase I know SL will lose a lot of people who actually put money into the game to support it....

When the adults leave... so will the cash.

And bet your bottom dollar my sim will NOT allow teens.. I wish there was a way to keep the child avatars away, nothing personal its just that we have a lot of adult related things here including a gallery with erotic photography.

The scarlet letter would be an excellent solution. The trouble is I sometimes like to play SL with the name-tags turned off. I know that sounds dumb but "Hi, I'm Ephraim and you are?" really is a surprisingly good opener.

Oh Christ! I'm going to prison. I know it.

No it does not sound dumb. I play with names off as well because i like to recognize people by look/face.

I think any "T"een Scarlet letter would have to remain over the head like a red dot (similar to the voice chat white dot).

Sheesh. Why not require teens be rendered with a security capsule around them labeled with a biohazard symbol.

Maybe that should be the default avatar for Teens??