The Garlic Necklace doesn't really work.

Only if you're wearing it, Love.

And update it, then it won't ask you anymore

I belonged to Bloodlines in the beginning. Damn thing's more trouble than it's worth. I allowed someone to bite me, and then bought everything Bloodlines has to offer, intending to immerse myself in RP. Yeah, well, I have ADD apparently and now couldn't give a toss about BL. So of more concern to me than having my avatar's name on some website, is all this overpriced crap I have sitting in my inventory. But, I digress. I'm not going to procure a garlic strand. What's the point? When people harrass me about anything, vampire or otherwise, if I'm in a crappy mood, I mute 'em. If I'm in a good mood, I mess with 'em until they mute me. So your av's name is on some stupid website. Who cares? I don't think any av is going to steal another av's identity or commit credit fraud. I guess I don't understand the uproar. I've not taken part in months and not ONE person has bothered me. I don't wear the HUD, I don't use any of my BL paraphernalia. No problem.

Irrelevant. It still violates the TOS, apparently.



Sigh. Have to rez a barrel, start a copy, wait, switch huds, start another copy, wait... I'll get to it... LOL

Then the limitations of the system they created do not matter to this discussion.



I say I do. The vampire HUD queries the website when it makes a bite request, to find out if biting me is OK. If the website says "no", the bite is disallowed. If the website says "yes", it then also gives that HUD my stats and any restrictions, etc. But whether the website's answer is "no" or "yes, and...", the fact that it is able to send information about me at all proves I'm "in the system" AND still on the website. Maybe I can't see my name by going to the website, but the HUD can see my name by going to the same website, which means pretty obviously I'm still on it.



I cannot help what you infer. I've clarified numerous times already - all you can do is say "Nuh-uh!" over and over; but it was my experiment, I designed it to find out whether the necklace actually removes your data from the Bloodlines system. I found that it does not. You can claim all you want that's not really the reason I designed the experiment...but, well, I'm the one who designed it, so I'm in a slightly better position to make such a statement.



You seem to think I need your permission to complain. I do not; I will continue to whine for as long as I feel justified. Whether YOU feel I'm justified makes no nevermind to me.

Seriously, doesn't take more than 5 minutes, and that's only if you have it loaded up with landmarks you want to keep.

And you purchased a product, with automatic updates. You won't GET the updates if you don't wear the purchased product. So how is it violating TOS? If you purchased any other product, wouldn't you want the free updates?

Right, that. Which I did when I got the one update notice. Which is probably why it doesn't ask me anymore. Which makes me wonder if I need to check out my Jeffries Tube (Novatech) update notices, which could be why it's getting so frantic and panicky, maybe I need to 'do' something to make it happy and stop it from contacting me. Yep, will bet that's it!

I just upgraded a few weeks ago. LOL.



I'm not complaining about Mystitools, HoneyBear. It's a feature, and I see it as such. My point really has nothing to do with Mystitools specifically - it's just an example.

I respectfully submit that, in this particular case, it doesn't fall into the same category.

Peace!

No surprise that Desmond wins this award again. Or in other words: Ramana Maharshi said, "Rather than cover the earth with leather to walk on, it's easier to make shoes for my feet."

Because the Mystitool documentation TELLS you that it includes an auto-update feature (which makes it not-surreptitious), and you can choose not to use the tool if you don't want any updates. As a matter of fact, you can use Mystitool and receive its updates for a year, and then suddenly arbitrarily decide you no longer want to, and you can detach the Mystitool and never, ever, ever hear from them ever again, nor does Mystitool actually ever collect and store your name in case someday you "might" change your mind.

People who do not want to be a part of Bloodlines' system do not have the option of removing themselves from it; they only have an option which helps them pretend they have been removed.

I should add, free updates can be done a number of ways. Through a group notice, being made available at a store (click a prim type of affair), or even having an "upgrade" button on the device itself. What Mystitools does is automatically connects to some other system every time I log in, without my consent. If I were paranoid, I'd say that whomever has access to that information knows my SL schedule now, probably better than I do. But I'm not.

I will be blunt here Dakota: You and everyone else complaining is, to me, the exact same thing as suing say .... McDonald's after spilling boiling hot coffee on yourself and using the 'logic' that you were not TOLD ON THE CUP that the contents would be hot.

The way the system works IS relevant Dakota: Removal of all statistics is currently not possible as long as such a function can be abused. In addition it MUST store SOMETHING to know to tell the HUD "No."

You want to complain? Do so to the proper person and in the proper manner.

All you have done is stir the pot with information that anyone who had thought it all out would have known by now.

That is NOT a proper complaint ... nor is it a real form OF complaining.

But I want to use mystitool. OK, we're back to my original point. If you don't want your SL avatar's name in the BL database, then delete your SL account. You can opt out of SL just as easily as I can opt out of Mystitools. Not the same, you say? Is to me.



How do you know that?

The concept of a "business relationship" is pretty common in law and trade. If you buy something from someone, you have a business relationship with them.

And the TOS references this relationship as an exception?

We're not talking laws here. We're talking about terms of service to a private corporations services.

Actually, if you look into the circumstances of the McDonalds spilled coffee lawsuit, McDonalds set themselves up the bomb big-time, with years of settling lawsuits and acknowledging that their coffee was hotter than people would reasonably expect. Why they decided to play hardball with one old lady with third degree burns all over her thighs and belly (yes, really) I don't know, but they really did deserve to go down.

Personally I think Dakota is going a bit off the rails, here, but Bloodlines are setting themselves up the bomb by running what's effectively a combat system that involves people not wearing a combat HUD.

I don't care, I'm simply pointing out that the concept of a "business relationship" is not coming out of thin air.

No, it is not. Said person knows they have a cup of coffee - they've actually purchased it, so they have reason to believe there's a cup with something hot in it that could burn them if they spilled it on themselves. I didn't buy a cup of coffee. I didn't buy anything at all. In fact, I specifically said I didn't WANT any coffee.

A closer analogy would be McDonald's having a "samples" stand on a street corner, thrusting a bag out at me as I walked by saying "Here, have a free sandwich!" without telling me there's an uncovered cup of steaming hot coffee in the bag where I can't see it, which then burns me as it spills when I jostle the bag. Your counter that "well the system doesn't work that way" would be like McDonald's saying "well sorry, but our policy is that all free sandwich samples must come with an unlidded cup of fresh coffee in the bag. That's the way it's always been, and you should've known." Except that there was no sign anywhere stating that policy.



That's their fault; they should have to fix it. I shouldn't have to put up with it.



This is absolutely a reasonable suggestion and I agree with it fully. Unfortunatley, the "proper person" has proven arrogant and cavalier towards people with this particular concern. That changes the equation and makes this now the "proper manner", so far as I'm concerned. The Bloodlines creators bought this reaction with their attitude, plain and simple.

I got the necklace and wore it quite a while back -- I even posted a thread about the necklace that has been necro'd a few times.

However, just 2 days ago, I had some guy ask to bite me. When I got mad, he said he could tell me where to get a necklace. After I told him I had already done that, he said that apparently I need to do it again for some reason.

Pissed me off.

Funny. You can "opt out" of Mystitools without having to delete your SL account. Yet that makes them all the same?




There's no reason to suspect Mystitools keeps such a database. If there were, that would be different.

I'm not dissatisfied because I THINK that Bloodlines MIGHT, possibly, theoretically, conceivably retain my information in an external database despite my wishes; I'm dissatisfied because such has been empirically proven to be true. That's why the notion that my name "could be" in a thousand other databases without my permission doesn't bother me: I KNOW for certain it's in the Bloodlines database, therefore there is something specific to express dissatisfaction with.

Most auto-updaters, in fact, do not use a database.

Well, BL is a product of how SL is designed and built, and the policies which LL enforces. It even conforms to "your world, your imagination" as far as the creator of BL is concerned (see that Yumi?). Your issue with BL is really an issue with LL. If you don't like it, you can always opt out.

Oh, and why is it the same to me? I couldn't stand being SL without my wonderful Mystitools!

Indeed, they shouldn't have to. An object can be scripted to ping a website or another object without HAVING to identify the wearer at all; because the results are sent back to the script, not the avatar wearing it, and the script can say the results in chat - even with llOwnerSay, the avatar's identifying information never goes beyond script itself.

I wish there was a version of that picture of the sad girl and "information" somehow represented with the caption, "not yours" to illustrate my point.

"Your world, your imagination" isn't a policy statement, and as a marketing statement it's meant to apply to everyone, not just to the creator of BL.

And saying "you can leave SL to opt out" is pretty ridiculous. That'd be like a company hassling you day and night with marketing messages and saying that, well, you can always opt out - by killing yourself.