The Garlic Necklace doesn't really work.

Hahaha!

Well, there you see the quandary then. I don't care that BL has an avatar's name in a database. I care that they have an avatar's name in a database without the permission of the person using that avatar. THAT'S what's wrong with this whole scenario. That, and the system encourages pestering and annoying behavior from residents. It's not the mechanics of it, so much as the principal of the thing.

The SL TOS states that you don't "own your account". It doesn't say anything about rights or otherwise in your avatar's data. You could probably even argue that calling an avatar "Ghosty" is a creative idea and thus IP.

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I don't see it as a quandry. BL has LL's asset in their database. An asset which LL allows you to use. It's not yours. The asset is not an identity, no matter how you may personally look at it. It's a UUID and some configuration settings.

I've been Argent longer than some of the people I know in SL have been alive.

No, but it DOES say something about what other people can do with the data on LL's servers.



The Bloodlines HUD does not tell you when it asks for a bite that your avatar's information will be collected and permanently stored outside of Second Life on a third party site that refuses requests to remove data. If that isn't surreptitious expropriation of data or personal information, I'm at a loss to explain what WOULD be.

The fact that LL "owns" you avatar name and key does not make those items somehow NOT personal information. Your credit card number is determined and "owned" by your credit card company, not you. Your Social Security Number is determined and "owned" by the SSA, not you. Your checking account number is determined and "owned" by your bank, not you. Yet, those things are very much personal information. LL explicitly identifies your avatar name as personal information when it declares in its TOS that each account may only be used by one unique individual. That's part of the reason why your avatar name can never be given to anyone else after your account is banned or voluntarily deleted.

Actually, even if it isn't personal information, it wouldn't matter; according to the above rule it only has to be "any system, data, or personal information", and it is unquestionably data.

No Ghosty - you and dakota have missed the point: Total removal from the system is - at this stage - not possible due to the ability to abuse such a thing within that system. You have been flagged in the database as being either inactive or simply removed from active display, use and participation.

It. Works. As. Advertised.

Deactivating. The. Effect. Of. The. Necklace. Invalidates. The. Experiment.

End. Of. Story.

No, it is perfectly possible. See, we don't care if their game breaks. They designed it badly.

If you steal my TV, and you are caught and told to give it back, and you say that you can't because your whole living room cabinet is balanced around it and it'll all fall to bits if you do then.. well, hard luck. You built the cabinet that way and that is your problem.

Dakota, if LL owns all the information THEY decide who gets to use it.

If you had to buy the HUD before you could be bitten, then they wouldn't need to keep anyone's data in their system unless they were playing the game.

Not my fault, and shouldn't be my problem.



So this is how it is, right? I say I want to be removed from the Bloodlines system, and I'm given the garlic necklace, which doesn't remove me from the system, and when I point that out - this is what I get? "Well, it never TECHNICALLY said it would COMPLETELY remove you..." Yeah, well, I TECHNICALLY asked to be COMPLETELY removed - so the necklace is insufficient and I am still dissatisfied. Is it supposed to be like one of those evil dickhead super-literal genies from a horror movie..."Well, when you asked for a million dollars, you didn't actually specify that the millions dollars couldn't be the million dollars that would be bequeathed by your uncle's will if he died; so I killed him, now here's your million dollars." Screw that.



Since the point of the experiment was to find out if Bloodlines retains data even when the necklace is activated, I don't see how you can possibly say the experiment was "invalidated".

According to their TOS, Bloodlines shouldn't have been able to store my information the way they did in the first place.

If this is the correct interpretation, then LL would be within their rights to go after the BL creator. LL. Not you. You can point it out to LL, and if they decide to act, great! If not, ... well, you don't have any recourse. It's not *your* TOS being violated.

And Dakota, your avatar name and UUID is NOT the same as your SSN or credit card number. There are laws which help protect your SSN and CC#. Are there laws to protect your Second Life "identity"? LOL, that's a laugh.

I have an idea then Yumi: Let's demand that all of our information EVERYWHERE be removed from all databases, including the Social Security database ... all because they didn't ask for our permission beforehand.

Anyone else want to make the same tired argument again?

It's simple: No one complains about any of the other systems and such that collect your SL or even RL data WITHOUT your permission - why bother complaining about this one?

Want to have your data removed from this system? Go ahead and find a way: Then take the next, logical step and go after every other system out there.

It only affects you if you give a crap what other people think of you ... and really, your avatar is NOT you, no matter how you dress it up or how you act.

According to their ToS, XStreet shouldn't have had any information on anyone at all, even if you signed up for it.

According to the ToS, NO ONE, not even an in world business, should have so much as your key.

Amazing how that works .... isn't it?

Care to try again?

Wrong. We can complain. And we can keep complaining, as loudly and as often and for as long as we want. Bloodlines already has a horrible reputation, but we can keep it from getting any better. Perhaps we can even make it worse.

It occurs to me that Mystitool is far worse than BL. Every time I log in, it contacts something somewhere, and I get a fresh update delivered to me. Never does it ask me if before doing so. Perhaps there's a setting, but if so, it has the wrong default.

Fair enough. All the power to you. Though I will say, you must have a ton of free time available to you. I'm jealous!

You're ignoring the key word in the TOS, which is "surreptitiously" - as in, "without the victim's knowledge". I don't need to try again, thank you.

That's been happening to me lately (past couple weeks or so) with my Jeffries Tube. Every day, around noon, whether I am logged in or not, I am getting a dozen 'updated objects'. I need to contact that creator, I'm sure he doesn't know it. I've just been deleting it all every day. At least though, I did, at some earlier point, at least purchase a Jeffries Tube. so there is at least a reason for them to have me around in their database, they just have a glitch somewhere, that's allowing the thing to send out too many updates. I have a Mystitool but haven't received anything from them, as you have. still those things are different because you DO own something from them, to begin with, so they kind of have an excuse to have your avatar's name.

1. Did I say it was your fault or your problem? No I did not.

2. Your examples are wholly invalid: as were your expectations. You do NOT need to be wholly removed from their database to no longer be a part of their system: That is a cold, hard fact.

3. No, by your title and presentation ... the point of the experiment was to see if the necklace does its job: It does so long as the effect is active. Everything from the removal of that effect forward invalidates the experiment.

Now then ... instead of complaining about it so much, do whatever you need to do to keep from getting requests and move on.

Your data exists across hundreds, if not THOUSANDS, of outside servers all without your permission anyway. Get over it.

You're ignoring the way these systems work: Try again.

Well, I don't - I only have some free time. But there's a lot of other people who are mad like me, with some free time, but at different times. It's like "complain shifts", we can collectively cover 24 hours a day.

Well, it seems to violate the "surreptitious" nature of the communication, according to Dakota's TOS interpretation. Isn't that enough? Why does my having purchased it make any difference to that?

There are a multitude of other databases which have names and uuids. Stores record visitors, items purchased by people, people who've visited sims. It's going on constantly, and for the most part, it benefits the customer. Should we go after all of that too? Or just the ones which we have personal pet peeves?