The Garlic Necklace doesn't really work.

It's a little complicated. Your name doesn't show up on their website, but you are still saved in the system. It remembers who you are, who bit you, what your humanity level is, who has claim on your soul, and so on. If you ever de-activate the necklace, all of that information is instantly recalled.

How many databases is your Rl name, address, telephone number on that you don't even know about?
Don't blame the creator for putting your name on some worthless database, blame the people who give it the time of day.
Utter nonsense

We have to kill the head spampire!

In every other vampire game I have ever read or played, there is usually someone more than willing to play the "blood doll." Bloodlines made the mistake of pushing the route of "everyone wants to be a special snowflake," rather than aiming for normal mortals. There are ways they could handle this, but they refuse.

As for the garlic necklace? This is why I refuse to use their necklace. I shouldn't need any protection from a game that I didn't sign up for in the first place. Am I surprised they failed to do as many have asked? Nope. Nada.

Simply put, wearing the necklace basically means (in a rp sense) hey i'm invincible to your bite because of my necklace but if you really think about it, how many BL players go to the website, I'm going to guess 1 out of 10 on a good day and two, wearing the necklace(which i havent seen so dont know if it is a actual prim necklace) is begging for you to be attacked. honestly, what evil creature, or half breed wouldnt take up that offer? add invincibility through SL and vuela, your getting attacked more if anything. BL isnt as bad as it was but its still annoying. I say ban it because as far as I know its pointless, you fill your bloodlevel up and what do you win. a new car? 1 million $L? I heard nothing, once you fill you get bragging rights, big deal in a world full of imagination and overblown egos anyway. no-one will care if you filled your blood meter, really, no-one will. ban it, end it, thank you.

I will rally with pitchforks for this one.

All you need is the torches! But, I really love a good toasted marshmallow, so that can be what the pitchfork is for

just set all sims to afternoon for skyview so they cant come out and feed

Why not do what I do, mute and ignore. Problem solved.

Because you have to do it for everyone that tries to bite you. It's like cockroaches. You step on a roach, step on another, and another ... this does not solve anything.

Okay so where do you check if you are a target?

I can't find any info on the bloodlines website in any direction of "people who are fresh".
And that necklace is the only thing not for sale inside the bloodlines sim.

Obviously they like to be silent about it as well.

QFT

it is very annoying. i get a bite request almost every time i venture off my own land.

I haven't really cared about it one way or the other, so it hasn't had any power over me.

Vampires, bite me. Whatever...

Right, because in their game, anyone who hasn't been bitten or done the garlic thing is "fresh". So would be anyone who was actually removed from their database :/

Yeah, it's quarantined off in a separate little area.

The first time I ran into a BL vampire I muted the player and then I got another bite spam from another one. So I muted the object by name (the hud i think) rather than the player and I havent been bothered by this since.

Ive never worn the necklace and I dont I think Im on their database as my name cant be found when I search for it on the BL website.

Im not really sure how muting by name works though. Does it mute everything with the same name ever bothering you again ??? or have I just been lucky and not run into any BL vamps since ???

Edit: I just asking this also because I went to a sim onetime and I got a ton of inviter thingys which I decline. Ever since then I started getting spammed by a VGS Black Market or some name like that, so I mute that and stop getting inworld messages. But if I allow IM to email I get in my inbox but not in inworld. So I just direct to junk so is not a biggie.

No, the experiment proves that it removes you from the site but not from the database: Which can be stored elsewhere.

Sorry, but your expectation and conclusions do not follow any base form of logic whatsoever. Please refrain from stirring the pot in the future.

The pages of that site are generated dynamically from the database. Without the database, you have no listings, no search function, and for all intents and purposes, no site. The database is as much a part of the site as the generated pages are.

Think of it as a car; yes, if you remove the engine, you still have a car. Not one that works, but hey.

I think the twist here is that the volunteer 'deactivated' the necklace. Once you activate it, then take it off, although your name remains in the 'do not call' lol database, you don't get any more bite requests either. If you go back and deactivate it, then all bets are off and you are, again, 'fair game', fresh meat, whatever, available to harass. So if you use the necklace, just don't go back to it and deactivate it.

Ahem: The point being that your listing does not show up once the effect is activated and you get no more bite requests.

Now then Ghosty ... have you actually examined the code for the site to know what you state is indeed a fact?

Frankly - I really don't care either way: The object works as intended and as advertised: End of Story.

If they need to retain information to prevent gaming their system ... let them and get over it.

Exactly.

The 'experiment' was flawed from that point forward .... as was the OP's reasoning concerning the way the system works.

Yes it's a prim necklace. It's a big, ugly bulb of garlic on a string, lol. You put it on once, activate it and take it off forever. Then you don't get anymore bite requests. That's my understanding from a friend who is a player, and agreed to discuss this with me. You don't keep wearing the thing, once it's activated, it's activated, unless/until you deactivate it, if you should someday have a big change of heart and decide you want to play, after all.

No, because dynamically generated pages happen at the server level, not at the browser. I'd have to hack the server to see it. However, I was in the biz for quite a while, and have ample knowledge on how DHTML and dynamic databases work to create dynamic pages - and that you equate the database and the web page as two separate entities shows you do not. They are not separate. In fact, I'd wager that most of the elements you see on the site's listings are actually IN the database.

Unless you think there's a codemonkey frantically typing up new pages every time someone bites an avatar. Sheesh.

The point, which you missed, being - it does NOT work as advertised. Simply because the entry in the database is flagged as no-show on the web page and no-effect in the system does NOT mean it's removed from the database, and therefore removed from the site. Dakota's experiment clearly shows that.

No, I don't think that's right.

If it was something along the lines of "I'm an existing customer, and I want you to delete my personal data. Great! Now, I can get a 'new customers' deal because any data telling you that I'm not a new customer should be gone.", then I would understand it.

But the issue here is that the people buying necklaces haven't ever interacted with the game at all, or wished to be involved. They haven't done anything to indicate that they wish to be stored in the database.

Saying that "we have to hold on to some of your details so you can't game the system" would be ok. But saying that "we have to hold on to some of your details so that someone _else_ can't game the system" is ridiculous. And besides, what's the great tragedy if the system is gamed?

I shouldn't HAVE to "have it both ways". I shouldn't have to have it any way at all. What's objectionable (and this indeed has been within the scope of this discussion from the beginning - in fact it's the entire point) is the fact that once you are attached to this game (with or without permission), you can never, ever, ever disentangle yourself from it in any way, period. There's something fundamentally and ethically wrong with that. Whether this is by design or accident is no matter - the fact that the game was intentionally designed that way does not somehow excuse the fact that it is the way it is. They force their crappy game design to be my problem, and that is wrong.

This isn't some resident or group of residents who've scripted a HUD and run with a typical in-world business. Liquid Designs, Inc, on its webpage, presents itself as a real-world company operating in the State of California. If it wants to play that game, then it should be subject to the same ethics and restrictions regarding data collection that any other real world company is.