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New blog post on LL's Content Management Roadmap

Briana Dawson
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08-04-2009 18:15
From: Ciaran Laval


Now is also the time to link our alts and verify them in the background.


I obviously won't be linking any of my 2003 alts to this account since this account has been suspended before making me ineligible for LL's new program. Which means if i want to continue in SL as a content creator i need to start using my alts.

Way to go LL!
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Colette Meiji
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08-04-2009 18:38
From: Raudf Fox
No kidding. I'm so tempted to post that to the other "forums."


So its official... the blog is useless

/108/44/136742/1.html#post1282908

Nothing ever changes.

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Zepar Zhukovsky
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08-04-2009 18:39
Remember when SL was all about having fun?
Colette Meiji
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08-04-2009 18:40
From: Briana Dawson
I obviously won't be linking any of my 2003 alts to this account since this account has been suspended before making me ineligible for LL's new program. Which means if i want to continue in SL as a content creator i need to start using my alts.

Way to go LL!


Waitaminute

if you have EVER been suspended you are ineligible?

What is this the Linden Butt Kissing Club?

What about people who were suspended for things they had no control over?

Heck you can get suspended for what you say here on the forums for crying out loud.
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08-04-2009 18:40
From: Zepar Zhukovsky
Remember when SL was all about having fun?


Lies!
Milla Janick
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08-04-2009 18:46
From: Zepar Zhukovsky
Remember when SL was all about having fun?

Yeah, I remember it was before I started listening to what Linden Lab had to say.

I think I should go back to ignoring them.
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08-04-2009 18:49
From: Briana Dawson
I obviously won't be linking any of my 2003 alts to this account since this account has been suspended before making me ineligible for LL's new program. Which means if i want to continue in SL as a content creator i need to start using my alts.

Way to go LL!

Gee, thanks Linden Lab.

You know that question you asked if we'd ever thought about leaving Second Life?

I'm getting pretty close now.
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Zepar Zhukovsky
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08-04-2009 18:49
I remember when SL filled me with a sense of wonder
Now I wonder if perhaps I've had my fill of SL
Imnotgoing Sideways
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08-04-2009 19:09
From: someone
We are starting the process of planning a content seller program, and we would like your input on possible program criteria. At a minimum, participation in the program will require that the selling Resident:

1. have identity and payment information on file with Linden Lab;
2. be in good standing and not have been suspended for any violation of the Second Life Terms of Service;
3. meet a minimum threshold for content transactions; and
4. affirm that all necessary intellectual property rights and licenses have been obtained for all content that the Resident has for sale.
Item 3 scares the poop out of me. (>_<;)

Does this mean, since my little store of doll keys and glasses barely turns L$400 a month, I will be operating in the same class of content creation as copybot running thieves? (T_T)

Not only is LL falling into Disneyification. Now the grid is getting WalMartized. (T_T)

From: someone
We have provided general background information on the Second Life Wiki about intellectual property, including copyright, trademark, trade dress, and the celebrity right of publicity.
Someone PLEASE explain to me what "celebrity right of publicity" is?!?! (T_T)
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Anti Antonelli
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08-04-2009 19:30
There are parts of this that I don't like and parts (well most) that I expect LL to screw up in implementation, but I'm guardedly hopeful that the "minimum threshold for content transactions" bit refers to a cumulative threshold of transactions, not a monthly minimum sales figure or something like that.

That is, before becoming eligible for this thing one must have successfully sold, for example, 25 doodads, so we have a chance to discover if said doodads violate someone else's IP or are griefing tools or otherwise are not the sort of thing an Approved Merchant should be messing around in.

I'm still not entirely sure what to think about it. In a holding pattern, as with pretty much all of SL these days :/
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08-04-2009 19:31
From: Zepar Zhukovsky
I remember when SL filled me with a sense of wonder
Now I wonder if perhaps I've had my fill of SL
I dunno.. I often wonder about the some of Linden Labs' recent senior appointments.
Briana Dawson
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08-04-2009 19:38
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Item 3 scares the poop out of me. (>_<;)

Does this mean, since my little store of doll keys and glasses barely turns L$400 a month, I will be operating in the same class of content creation as copybot running thieves? (T_T)

Not only is LL falling into Disneyification. Now the grid is getting WalMartized. (T_T)

Someone PLEASE explain to me what "celebrity right of publicity" is?!?! (T_T)


Game the system Immy.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-04-2009 19:47
From: Darien Caldwell
Well, I think LL's plan has always been to have creators offer their carefully screened goods to corporate clients. How it hashes out will be interesting to see.


I think this merits quoting. Just another step towards the squeaky clean, more predictable experience. One more way of marginalizing fringe or edgy creators, so the corporates don't have to get their shoes dirty walking among them.
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Angela Talamasca
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08-04-2009 20:32
This is a double post. I already posted it to their blog.

Great post! How about starting by blocking Greenlife Emerald Viewer's access to the grid?

Here's why.

Almost two months ago, someone posted copybot code to the pJira.

The above also contained a link to a post made by Eddy Stryker, creator of the original copybot. In fact, he posted his copybot code to the pJira in January of 2008. Yes, well over a year ago.

I was made aware of these after receiving a heads up that someone had posted a 'how-to-copybot" series on an arguably anti-Linden blog, that amazingly still uses Linden Lab's trademarked name "Second Life" as part of their URL. The last article in that particular series contained a link to the aforementioned jira.

While Rob LInden *finally* closed down both jiras, with the perfunctionary, we won't be implemeting this, the horse is obviously already out of the barn, the water is under the bridge, the cat's out of the bag, or whatever other idiom you wish to use. What I find to be rather appalling however is that LordGregGreg brazenly announced he would be incorporating that copybot code in the next Greenlife Emerald viewer.
From: someone
"For those of you not comfortable with compiling your own viewer, the
next version of green life will have a version of this patch in it .

This is really excellent code, thank you again discrete ^ ^"

Link: http://tr.im/LordGregGregBS

Don't you get it Linden Lab? These people are thumbing their nose at you. They are mocking you. Probably laughing over drinks about how they used Linden Lab's very own pJira to distribute copybot code. That is what I find to be the most appalling of all. That there was quite obviously no oversight by your team on your very own jira. This leads me to question just how safe your SnowGlobe viewer is. Considering that some of the same players are involved in that development as well. This post, however, is not about that.

My challenge is simply this.

Show us you mean busines and block the Emerald viewer. After all, it's really nothing more than a descendent of another well-known malicious tool, vLife
From: someone
"The first illegal viewer that employed this method so far was VLife and
since then it has been given to other viewer developers. Then the
author and distributor of VLife decided to make a public viewer called
GreenLife Emerald Viewer"

Link: http://tr.im/vLifeEmeraldLink

And, from my read, you appear to already have mechanisms in place to block copybots.
From: someone
"The illegal viewers I've seen so far either completely imitate the
official channel and version number of Second Life viewer or they have
a channel/version that is recognizable in some way and has been banned
from usage on SL already. One of these banned viewers was a leaked
version of CryoLife. I guess the original Copybots have been banned by
these IDs as well, though the criminal forces just hack what they can
and thus just inventing new identifiers."

Link: http://tr.im/vLifeEmeraldLink

So, please put your money where your mouth is, Linden Lab. Show us that you really mean business.
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Lyla Tunwarm
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08-04-2009 20:38
From: Angela Talamasca
This is a double post. I already posted it to their blog.

Great post! How about starting by blocking Greenlife Emerald Viewer's access to the grid?


The real Greenlife Emerald viewer isn't capable of ripping content (I am using it right now and the options to rip are not there). Only hacked versions of it can. That also goes for hacked version of the standard SL viewer and hacked versions of ANY viewer.
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08-04-2009 20:43
From: Lyla Tunwarm
The real Greenlife Emerald viewer isn't capable of ripping content (I am using it right now and the options to rip are not there). Only hacked versions of it can. That also goes for hacked version of the standard SL viewer and hacked versions of ANY viewer.


You can export your own content, but not others.

At least the option is there. I know it works in Meerkat.
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Lyla Tunwarm
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08-04-2009 20:46
From: Briana Dawson
You can export your own content.

At least the option is there. I know it works in Meerkat.

Well rip as in steal. Even if it is an option slandering a viewer isn't going to solve anything.
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08-04-2009 20:48
From: Lyla Tunwarm
Well rip as in steal. Even if it is an option slandering a viewer isn't going to solve anything.


Well...After Argent's post, i will admit i am a little worried. And ~everywhere~ i go, i see Emerald users.
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08-04-2009 21:02
From: Angela Talamasca
...the cat's out of the bag.

Er.. It's been out of the bag for +2 years and is now a great great grandmother cat. Any coder worth their weight in spam hasn't needed a 'bot' to copy anything since they open sourced the viewer. Before that, GL 'debug' programs could grab all the textures you want.

/me does not see any of these things going away as long as the view is open source and network traffic is not encrypted.
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08-04-2009 21:12
I wonder how error proof the code that deletes things from inventory will be.

If you have no-copy versions of animations in an AO, for example, and the AO gets removed gridwise, will that remove your no-copy animations as well?
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Lyla Tunwarm
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08-04-2009 21:12
From: Briana Dawson
Well...After Argent's post, i will admit i am a little worried. And ~everywhere~ i go, i see Emerald users.

I am one of them. I can't rip others content though. Either that or I can't find the options to do so... Grabbed bake textures is greyed out and there is no option in the pie menu to take a texture.

But seriously the viewer isn't the issue, it is the ability to hack a viewer to be able to rip content that is the problem. People can be running around in what looks like the standard viewer and be ripping away.

The argument is really mute being you can use others software anyway. The only thing I can think of that may really help is server side rendering and using a web browser for the UI. That way the the content is all rendered on LL servers (or whoever they contract with) and not by your computer where it is intercepted. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/09/otoy-developing-server-side-3d-rendering-technology/

However I have no idea if that is possible with SL without a complete rewrite.
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08-04-2009 21:42
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I wonder how error proof the code that deletes things from inventory will be.

If you have no-copy versions of animations in an AO, for example, and the AO gets removed gridwise, will that remove your no-copy animations as well?

You may remember, we already had sort of the inverse situation and it was badly botched.

A person was allegedly distributing stolen animations in a device also containing copies of the open-source MLP script package (at least one of which had been copy/pasted to a fresh script, thereby showing the person in question as the creator). Being open-source, those particular scripts spread virally just as copies of the original have done, and made their way into the hands of legitimate content creators and their customers. Linden Lab's response to the IP theft was to remove from their servers all related stuff that showed this person as creator, and managed to break lots and lots of perfectly legal MLP devices as a particular script showed up missing when these devices were started, or restarted, or rezzed.

So yeah I'm not terribly confident in future error-proofness.
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08-04-2009 22:01
From: Briana Dawson
Game the system Immy.


Everyone is going to HAVE to game the system now... it'll be impossable to be honest and survive in sl after this... geesh
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08-04-2009 22:03
From: Brenda Connolly
You forgot to say ELEVEN1111


I still dont get that lol
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08-04-2009 22:16
From: Brenda Connolly
I think this merits quoting. Just another step towards the squeaky clean, more predictable experience. One more way of marginalizing fringe or edgy creators, so the corporates don't have to get their shoes dirty walking among them.


I think you've hit it on the head Brenda!
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