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So its official... the blog is useless

Lewis Nerd
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09-11-2006 11:45
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Torley confirms that posts being removed arbitrarily without good reason from the Linden blogs may well result in disciplinary action against your in-world account.

Evidently another lesson they didn't learn from their failure to operate the forums in a professional manner.

Lewis
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09-11-2006 11:51
my god.
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Vares Solvang
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09-11-2006 11:54
Torley was right Lewis, you paint this in the worst possible light to serve your own agenda.
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Lewis Nerd
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09-11-2006 11:58
From: Vares Solvang
Torley was right Lewis, you paint this in the worst possible light to serve your own agenda.


I speak truthfully and from my own personal experience. I have no personal agenda here, although it is no secret that I detest the 'blog' format.

Lewis
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09-11-2006 12:00
From: Vares Solvang
Torley was right Lewis, you paint this in the worst possible light to serve your own agenda.


No Vares, I disagree.

The act of removing the forums and then leaving us with the blog to express our viewpoint, which is already so one-sided it's pointless, and THEN deleting non-WE LOVE LL!!! YAY! comments is OFFENSIVE.

I agree completely with Lewis on this.

If Torley thinks it's unfair, instead of wasting our time with sad-smiley emoticons why doesn't he actually do something to make us change our mind? Reassurances that "abuse is abuse" doesn't cut it. What about when the Lindens and the resmods abuse their power? We have NO defense and NO recourse.
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09-11-2006 12:05
From: Joshua Nightshade
Reassurances that "abuse is abuse" doesn't cut it. What about when the Lindens and the resmods abuse their power? We have NO defense and NO recourse.


We do have one option... don't post.

Then people get an even more skewed view of Second Life that "all is rosy" here.

I enjoy Second Life. I just despair of those running it. If people actually took the time to talk to me they would understand my enthusiasm and excitement over this game; and people like me could be a wonderful resource to SL if only our opinions were listened to.

Lewis
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Vares Solvang
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09-11-2006 12:06
From: Lewis Nerd
It is no secret that posts considered 'incompatible with the Love Machine' are being abitrarily removed from the blogs on the whim of whoever happens to be reading them at the time, often simply for being honest, rather than actually breaking any rules.

Lewis


equals bias and agenda.
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09-11-2006 12:10
Yeah, this will really encourage "communication".

"Post your thoughts on our Linden Blog! We want to hear from you! Of couse, if we don't like what you have to say, we may suspend your SL account, so be extra nice!"
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Lewis Nerd
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09-11-2006 12:18
From: Vares Solvang
equals bias and agenda.


Prove me wrong, if you can.

Lewis
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09-11-2006 12:18
From: Torley Linden
Abuse is abuse, and noone deserves to be abused.

I have this to say "PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH DAMMIT! OR JUST STFU!" I mean really havent we as citizens of this world been abused enough the past week ? But we cant discipline the idiots that LL for being morons and causing the abuse of our RL info and suck!
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LewisBlack Moore
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So it's official...
09-11-2006 12:18
Lewis Nerd is useless.

But in a profoundly cool and intimately cynical way!

*GRIN*
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09-11-2006 12:20
From: Lewis Nerd
Prove me wrong, if you can.

Lewis



Stating your opinion as though it were a fact is bias and agenda. You aren't trying to have a discussion, you are trying to show that you are right.

There is a distinction between the two. I realize from your past posts that you can't see that, but trust me, there is a distinction.
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09-11-2006 12:22
From: Vares Solvang
Torley was right Lewis, you paint this in the worst possible light to serve your own agenda.


I think the picture Lewis paints is accurate and telling. LL doesn't like what it sees when it looks in the mirror, so its removing the mirrors.

Very sad, really.
Lewis Nerd
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09-11-2006 12:23
From: Vares Solvang
Stating your opinion as though it were a fact is bias and agenda. You aren't trying to have a discussion, you are trying to show that you are right.

There is a distinction between the two. I realize from your past posts that you can't see that, but trust me, there is a disttinction.


I have personally had posts removed from the blog, threatened by a Linden that if I post again I will be banned from posting, and know several others whose posts have mysteriously disappeared.

Those are facts. Those facts support my point of view.

What proof do you have that I am wrong?

Lewis
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09-11-2006 12:32
I'm with Lewis. Deleting something that crosses the line, fair enough in some instances... ie not criticism, but something actually abusive...

Applying in-world penalties to the blogs though, wrong message entirely, non-constructive and totally at the wrong time. It caused a lot of ill-feeling and resentment on the forums, and that will pale to the resentment it will cause if applied to the blogs.

They are so out of step with their customers right now.
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09-11-2006 12:32
From: Lewis Nerd
I have personally had posts removed from the blog, threatened by a Linden that if I post again I will be banned from posting, and know several others whose posts have mysteriously disappeared.

Those are facts. Those facts support my point of view.

What proof do you have that I am wrong?

Lewis


My post questioning why a post had been removed on Pathfinder's precious fucking blog was removed. Pathfinder also ignored my follow up email. It's all a pathetic joke - I refuse to use the new blog. The irony in all of this is that LL is forcing all of us onto third party sites where they have no control over what we say at all. At least now they have some PR control.
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Vares Solvang
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09-11-2006 12:39
From: Lewis Nerd
I have personally had posts removed from the blog, threatened by a Linden that if I post again I will be banned from posting, and know several others whose posts have mysteriously disappeared.

Those are facts. Those facts support my point of view.

What proof do you have that I am wrong?

Lewis



I never said you were right or wrong in your agenda, I only said that you had one. Read it again:

From: Vares Solvang
Torley was right Lewis, you paint this in the worst possible light to serve your own agenda.


As I said before, I understand that you are not capable of seeing the difference between the two, but there is one.
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Lewis Nerd
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09-11-2006 12:44
From: Vares Solvang
I never said you were right or wrong in your agenda


So do you believe that posts are being removed from the blogs without good reason, or not?

Have you posted on the blogs at all?

Lewis
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09-11-2006 12:48
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Vares Solvang
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09-11-2006 12:53
From: Lewis Nerd
So do you believe that posts are being removed from the blogs without good reason, or not?

Have you posted on the blogs at all?

Lewis



I have posted to the blogs.

None of them have ever been deleted or even delayed from appearing in the blogs.

I have never read any of your post to the blogs, since I don't read the blogs in general as a rule.

Since I did not read your posts, I have no idea what you posted.

Therefore it's impossible for me to say whether your posts were deleted "without good reason".

However, having read many of your posts in these forums I would hazard to guess that your posts were not removed "without good reason". But that is total speculation on my part.

I do agree that the blogs are useless, but not for the reasons you listed.

I do agree that removing posts from the blog comments is wrong.

But none of that has anything to do with what I originally posted in this thread.
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09-11-2006 12:53
The answer is to go elsewhere. Something I'm planning if things don't improve PDQ

This morning I logged in and things were as good as they ever get of late - I.E. my island textures don't load and I have to check to see what items have evaporated overnight.

This afternoon I log in (after some unannounced 'maintenance') and my sim fps is jumping from 12-44, physics is changing so fast that I can't register the numbers and TD is around 0.7. I can't move for rubberbanding and falling through the terrain.

For this I fronted $1250 and pay $204.95 a month to a company that can't secure it's servers and can't do much else right on the available evidence - and NOW they are going to penalise anyone who dares to complain?

Precisely how fucking stupid do LL think their customers are? Or have the loonies taken the asylum over completely at last?

Up 'til now I've been very reasonable about various 'issues', as of the last 7 days, no more Mr Nice Guy.
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09-11-2006 12:58
I find it amusing that they complain the forums aren't scalable, nor are they able to be monitored... yet, what are they wasting their times on? A BLOG. A blog which isn't even organized, as every Linden and probably a few monkeys post haphazardly to.

The forums have topical areas right off the bat. I don't have to 'search' or 'click a tag' to find which topical area I want to go. I want technical help, I go to that sub-forum. I want to shoot the breeze with other players about our favorite torture device (aka the game), I come to General. I want to know what's coming up, I got to announcements. It's simple, functional, and user-friendly.

The blog is none of those things. Also, while I ran the risk of getting my account banned/time-outed for some posts here, I could find out why by getting a friend to post asking why or even IM the Linden/resmod in question. The blog.. I could get banned just for disagreeing with the "Tao" or Linden Labs? After today, I refuse to have a thing to do with the blog. If it's not on the announcement forum, it's not worth my time.

The blog is a great supplement, not a replacement to even the general forums. Wanna spin things your way, use the forums as they are meant to be used. Force us to 3rd party sites and watch the game burn. You can't spin 3rd party sites, no matter how hard you try.
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