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New blog post on LL's Content Management Roadmap

Darien Caldwell
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08-04-2009 15:08
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/08/04/our-content-management-roadmap

Go read it. It's a biggie.
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08-04-2009 15:15
Interesting blog. I picked up on the mention of downloadable 'behind-the-firewall' standalone version of SL and the likley need for being able to copy your items from the grid to the standalone and vice versa. This hints that LL standalones might not just be for the big corporations but for the likes of us ordinary residents. If the price is right, I'd be interested.

Darien, I noticed that we both joined the forums in Oct 2006 and you've made 2934 posts and I've made 3294 - the same digits but different order! Spooky (slightly)!
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08-04-2009 15:16
"Taking a holistic approach to content management, we are hard at work on new and improved content tools, programs, and policies."

Holistic approach? Is that their new Tao philosophy?


"... we're going to lay out our current plans, and then invite you to help us shape them to best meet the community's needs."

Sort of like they laid out their plans for the forums and invited us to help shape them, twice now that I know of.


"For more detailed information, please continue reading below, and then join the discussions in the forums.
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Join the discussion in the forums ...."

Of course that discussion is in that new crappy thing they have the nerve to call a forum.


Oh well, off to read in more detail now that the initial skimming has already given me such hope.
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08-04-2009 15:19
From: Cyn Linden
With the online form, intellectual property owners will be able to request that we search for and remove all copies of an identified item created by a particular Resident. Resident content creators have asked us for this capability, and we are working hard at developing tools to provide it. This is one of the most technologically complicated tasks we've ever undertaken because the tools must identify the content at issue in the complaint, search for instances of it inworld and in inventories, notify those with copies of it of the intellectual property complaint submitted, remove or disable access to those instances, and in the event of a copyright counter-notification, restore access to the content specified in the counter-notification.
What could possibly go wrong with that?

From: someone
Second Life has technological restrictions known as the “permissions system” that can be set to impose certain limits on how content can be used within Second Life. However, the permissions system was never intended for and does not grant any legal permission to use content outside of Second Life.
Thank you for making that explicit!

From: someone
To help facilitate this marketplace, we are developing the ability to attach “sticky licenses” to content sold to enterprise customers running a stand-alone version of Second Life. Content with these “sticky licenses” will have additional metadata such that the license information can “stick” to the content as it is distributed to the enterprise customer's server, and users of the server solution can review the license terms through the Second Life viewer.
What about for the rest of us? Will this be restricted to Enterprise customers, or will we be able to add these to any content as suggested in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-701
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HOT DAMN! About time!
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08-04-2009 15:31
Lets wait and see what LL does as they never seem to get it right, but at least its a step in the right direction that's for sure but will they make as big a FU as they do with everything else?

I especially love the

From: someone
Your Feedback Is Important


We have a common goal of strong and viable solutions for content management and intellectual property protection. With this post, we’ve detailed our thinking and direction in the hope that you will take the opportunity to provide us with your input and suggestions as well. Please visit the forums to let us know what you think. Your feedback is important.


and we all know what a load of BS that statement is with your feedback is important ;)
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08-04-2009 15:40
The Content Seller Program sounds like just another garbage move by LL. As Darien pointed out in the blog (now known as the forums, incidentally), it will mean that the rich get richer while the poor will have precious little chance of getting 'certified' (up and running). I.e. those that have already run good businesses will be certified but those who want to start up won't get certified and will be at a megahuge disadvantage right from the word "go". It'll be a catch 22 - if you can't show you're a good seller, you can't get certified, but if you're not certified, you can't become a good seller. It's just another piece of the typical stupidity that we expect from the LL management.
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08-04-2009 15:42
This is total crap and recklessly discriminatory.
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08-04-2009 15:52
All I see is LL trying to find a way to provide content to those BIAB platforms they're trying to flog. The platform is pretty useless to most businesses unless they can get their hands on content. no one wants to hold a business meeting on a piece of flat green..

Therefore only those who LL feel won't get them in court for copyright infringement (remember LL will be recommending these people) and will provide a reasonable quality are going to qualify.

There appears to be other pressures that have triggered this (rezzables certainly springs to mind after reading those not so veiled references) and it's unsurprising that they want to clean up xsl after the taser threat (and I'm sure there have been other companies too that we won't hear about) but I'm laying bets this is all protecting their backs and about adding value to those plug and play environments.

I'd just let them and their lawyers get on with it. On past performance it's a waste of our time to participate, I'm not seeing anything that actually needs discussion.
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08-04-2009 15:55
So they're still flinging that "we're interested in what you thnk" bullshit, eh?
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08-04-2009 15:59
Best Blog ever from Linden Labs.
Say more stuff like that LL !!!
It was good, it was refreshing, it was like the air after a thunderstorm. Clear, fresh and easy to breathe
Darien Caldwell
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08-04-2009 16:08
From: Conifer Dada
Interesting blog. I picked up on the mention of downloadable 'behind-the-firewall' standalone version of SL and the likley need for being able to copy your items from the grid to the standalone and vice versa. This hints that LL standalones might not just be for the big corporations but for the likes of us ordinary residents. If the price is right, I'd be interested.


Well, I think LL's plan has always been to have creators offer their carefully screened goods to corporate clients. How it hashes out will be interesting to see.

From: Conifer Dada

Darien, I noticed that we both joined the forums in Oct 2006 and you've made 2934 posts and I've made 3294 - the same digits but different order! Spooky (slightly)!


Yeah, that's a pretty crazy coincidence :)
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08-04-2009 16:12
From: Phil Deakins
The Content Seller Program sounds like just another garbage move by LL. As Darien pointed out in the blog (now known as the forums, incidentally), it will mean that the rich get richer while the poor will have precious little chance of getting 'certified' (up and running). I.e. those that have already run good businesses will be certified but those who want to start up won't get certified and will be at a megahuge disadvantage right from the word "go". It'll be a catch 22 - if you can't show you're a good seller, you can't get certified, but if you're not certified, you can't become a good seller. It's just another piece of the typical stupidity that we expect from the LL management.


This was the part that bugged me.

From: BLAWG

We are starting the process of planning a content seller program, and we would like your input on possible program criteria. At a minimum, participation in the program will require that the selling Resident:

1. have identity and payment information on file with Linden Lab;
2. be in good standing and not have been suspended for any violation of the Second Life Terms of Service;
3. meet a minimum threshold for content transactions; and
4. affirm that all necessary intellectual property rights and licenses have been obtained for all content that the Resident has for sale.

Join the discussion in the forums and tell us what other criteria you believe should be in a content seller program. We are in the early stages of planning such a program, and we would like your feedback on possible criteria in advance of our planning and implementation.


Okay...only thing that might get me is #3. I sell, but not a whole lot. How are they going to tally this? Are they counting even the L$0 items? (Man, that'd be gamed if they did!)

#2... I know some content creators who got suspended for ToS violations, but learned their lesson and moved on to be very productive. So, LL's just going to kick them to the curb as well?
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08-04-2009 16:16
If they were actually interested in what people thought, they'd use the forums that work and that people use...
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08-04-2009 16:16
This time we should be payed adequate before starting to think/type a single bit.

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From: Cyn Linden

With this post, we've detailed our thinking and direction in the hope that you will take the opportunity to provide us with your input and suggestions as well. Please visit the forums to let us know what you think. Your feedback is important.
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08-04-2009 16:18
From: Sindy Tsure
If they were actually interested in what people thought, they'd use the forums that work and that people use...



No kidding. I'm so tempted to post that to the other "forums."
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08-04-2009 16:27
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No kidding. I'm so tempted to post that to the other "forums."

/me too. Sadly, the only one who might read it and feel the need to respond is somebody like Blue. Not really looking to give Blue extra crap..
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08-04-2009 16:28
From: Blog
... we're going to lay out our current plans, and then invite you to help us shape them to best meet the community's needs.

Because the invitation to discuss policy changes and help them meet the community's needs certainly worked so well with Zindra... and openspace pricing changes...

I'm not going to pass judgment yet. A better DMCA process is overdue. And permissions for assets moving between 3D worlds is going to be necessary pretty soon. But a certified retailer program requiring "a minimum threshold for content transactions" reads like a "no entry" sign for anyone who isn't already well-established.

I'll be standing by with curiosity about how (if?) dialog with their customers will shape the plans they are announcing.
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08-04-2009 16:42
This is a great way to get rid of everyone they dont want in SL LOLOLOL

Kill content creation LOL
Second Life is now nothing more then the dead Active Worlds LOL GAWD Linden Lab how stupid CAN you get LOL what idiots LOLOLOL
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08-04-2009 16:44
From: Tristin Mikazuki
This is a great way to get rid of everyone they dont want in SL LOLOLOL

Kill content creation LOL
Second Life is now nothing more the the dead Active Worlds LOL GAWD Linden Lab how stupid CAN you get LOL what idiots LOLOLOL


You forgot to say ELEVEN1111
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08-04-2009 16:44
While I'll make no judgments on how this will ultimately turn out (except to not that LL does not have the best track record in following up good ideas with actual implementation), I'll give credit for this being one of the less double-speaking blog posts for a long time.

I'm not too fond of the implications of the "Content Seller Program", I have little faith that an "industry standard for copy tools" will be obeyed by those who matters, and I think Yue's analysis that this is a way to ensure usable content for their "in a box" offshoots is spot on, but it is still unusually clear speak from LL.

-Whether it stays with that and the handwaving, time will tell.
But if we get an SL where only registered, approved content creators are able to do business... well, I'm off to Blue Mars.
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08-04-2009 16:48
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08-04-2009 17:10
O you might want to use second invintory NOW to save your stuff before LL makes that impossible ya know.
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08-04-2009 17:21
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I'm not going to pass judgment yet. A better DMCA process is overdue. And permissions for assets moving between 3D worlds is going to be necessary pretty soon. But a certified retailer program requiring "a minimum threshold for content transactions" reads like a "no entry" sign for anyone who isn't already well-established.

Definately agree.. too soon to tell really, but it sounds like a couple long-needed things are being addressed. Though it also sounds like they're attaching their new "favor the big money resident" plan to these changes like a legislative bill with a self-serving rider attached. We'll see...
I would love to see them overhaul the permissions system and give people a wide range of options, not just the few we have.
I do have to say though that it's pretty obvious by their talk on industry standards about copying that they really have no real plan to attack it, other than to plead to software designers not to include "bad" functionality unchecked.
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08-04-2009 17:37
From: Lord Sullivan
and we all know what a load of BS that statement is with your feedback is important ;)


Indeed, I doubt that was typed with a straight face or maybe they believe that giving people a discussion and then ignoring everything that is said is part of the feedback process, they have an awful record on taking notice of feedback.

However, they need residents onboard with this one so I expect to see some sort of genuine response to feedback here, rather than the BS they gave on homesteads, trademark issues and the adult content policy.

The need to be in good standing is nonsense, the crime needs to be linked to bad merchant behaviour rather than someone throwing a hissy fit or having a nipple displayed in the wrong art gallery.

The minimum threshold is like the gold solution program, people pay for that status I believe so I hope this isn't going to be like that and how do you determine this threshold? Number of sales isn't as important as length of time for example. This threshold just needs to be low enough to prevent someone from being a flash in the pan scammer.

Now is also the time to link our alts and verify them in the background.
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