New blog post on LL's Content Management Roadmap

i do worry about that too a little, -but,- i don't think there's much harm in speeding up the process. slEx before the lab took over processed DMCAs via email, and it would still take at least three days or so at minimum for them to run the process. it's otherwise a minimum of two weeks for the lab; to mail them physical printouts which they have to ocr-scan and correct - a huge waste of time, when they could have the info copy-pastable provided by the filer.

overall i'd say the 'advantage of disadvantage of time' involved is not in and of itself any prevention to false filings (otherwise slEx long ago would have switched to snail-mailing of filings) - it is probably only a disadvantage to those filing true and defensive claims. (genuine creators often find themselves with very busy schedules anyways between projects, sales support and life - the burden of doing detective work on top of all that, well is a given for anyone who wants to protect their work. compare overall 'burdon of time' a thief has; less than half, easily. the extra time lost with snail-filing for the main grid is discouraging and quite literally wasteful for such an important process for the real creators.)

... about, i can't remember what they called it, a 'certified seller program' - well yes, again, 'everything can be gamed' (depending on what the final entry requirements are decided upon), and everything has cons along with the pros. (one big concern i'd have for the lab would be, say, inadvertently certifying a texture thief who somehow manages to fit within the requirements... i suppose 'check here if not a thief' on the form lol?! ;0)

but at the same time, this is something that i think a lot of creators have wanted to see in some form for awhile now - something of a 'good housekeeping' seal lol. (and we need a 'ul lab' for script-testing approval lol... ;0) but we don't see so much of that in rl anymore it seems, so i'm not sure if such a program would be all that much of a help or not?

Oh, you mean, like the new ways to grief competitors?

I don't see how the new measures would be a new way to grief competitors. Surely Linden Labs will provide residents with an adequate opportunity to prove that their products are not rip-offs? I'm pretty sure that underhanded bullsh!t like this will backfire on the griefers. Isn't there something in the Lindens DMCA page about that already?

Linden Lab is talking about "good standing"...

I don't think that LL has a good standing in *our* records. They should be very shhhh about that theme.

And if LL would try to sell clothing, hair, shoes, buildings etc.

ahm

hahahaha

treshold...

omg, hahaha

But serious: the serial of anti-cultural uppercuts against the "residents" is impressive. This will wipe out all creativity and spontaneity again.

Measured on the Zindra-thing, we will sit here in 6 months, watching the damage, wasted some more Jiras and office hours and slapt.me will be filled like the holy bible with evidence about LL's ultra-bad standing.

I agree with all first critical analizes here. It is like the first day when the ACP/Ursuala thing was announced.

I think it will be as ever: many smart people will provide them a gourmet - menu of feedback and input and they will throw it into the trashcan, while living out of their sandwich brownbags.

Oh, that wasn't a joke?

I didn't see anything about filing a counter-notice electronically.

I don't see any reason to assume their response will be any more logical than the G-Team's response to a false AR.

That's what makes SL special as you rightly say. I will have to make a special certification for all our slapt.me merchants with the rule that they can keep it unless they steal other peoples content

I can see the slapt.me wiki now continuing with this latest offering from LL as I am sure it will be handled with LL's normal approach to things and turn into a big mess as they roll it out after they have listened to everyone, just like they did with the OS and the Adult fiasco's, why do they bother asking us all for feedback as we all know 90%+ will not be listened to

A discussion of IP that has coders in it. This should be useful. Not.

Sorry if this has come up already. Just wanted to express my surprise that this came from The Lab:



I doubt many at The Lab actually believe the last part. Maybe the recently hired adults are putting their foot down.

These days I build almost everything from scratch and use my own textures, but I can't script for the life of me, so I have relied on Seven ways to acquire scripts 1. Buy from a scripter (this is however rare and to this date the scripts I have paid the most for, I have hardly used) 2. From the Scripting tips/library in this forum. 3. From members of the Free Script Group in world. 4. From freebie boxes in-world. 5. From freebie boxes on Xstreet. 6. From friends. 7. From inside free content I have acquire in-world and on Xstreet.

I have only ever once got sent a permissions to use agreement note card with a script and only because I asked for it.

In all of the above ways of acquiring scripts, even buying them from a scripter, there is no way to know who the origin scripter is.

Edit: Once I rezzed a build I had made from scratch and was dismayed to see that the creator was Eric Linden and not me, however, I discovered that what I had done was use a cut torus from one of his builds as it was the shape I needed and at the time didn't know how it was achieved so I just remade that part then and swapped it and the content creator was myself again.

:word:

I'm a coder, and I've been arguing that "full perms" in SL doesn't mean that you're entitled to copy stuff to other grids since... well, since people have been doing that very thing. And, yes, I expressed surprise and appreciation at that statement on about the first page of this thread.

My open source scripts have the license in them. It's pretty damn liberal, and I still get occasional people who refuse to honor it.

And therein lies the problem. One reason people sell "full perm" objects involves branding their work. Your copybot code destroys that. And yes, it is copybot code. Bc you have wiped all traces of the original creator from the "copied" object. But thanks for finally admitting your viewer provides an easy path people to steal work.

Yes, well I am careful to copy all the script with the license left in them, even if I copy the original script to a new script within content. I mean how can I say I don't script and then expect people to believe they are my scripts, so I provide as much info as I can. I have even added notes with the name of the person I got the script from even if that info wasn't included in the script.

Dollars 'n' cents, my fuzzy lil friend, dollars 'n' cents.

There's a world of difference between banning a resident on the thinnest grounds - even for only a few days - and costing them income and their reputation by acting rashly on a false claim.

Just as a wrongful DMCA will easily backfire on the idiot who files it, I'm pretty sure the Lindens are not going to lay residents open to claims for the sake of griefing. The addition of meta data on textures, objects and animations will make the whole process of assessing provenance easy-peasy for all concerned.

This is why we need http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-701.

There is? Banning some people for a few days can cost them far more dollars and cents than DMCAing one of their products!

Ignorance is bliss I guess... Using the Greenlife Emerald viewer you can only Export your own created items or items that are already full permission to begin with. This viewer isn't anything like Copy bot or the other viewers that can take anything no matter the permission settings. The Greenlife Emerald viewer is capable of doing exactly what Linden Lab just posted about wanting you to be able to do. They implied they want the abilites of the Greenlife Emerald viewer as offical tools.

Your witch hunt against viewers is pointless. Linden Lab encourages these viewers, thats why they open sourced the code. Your witch hunt should be aimed at Linden Lab, they are the one's making all this possible to begin with.

Thanks for that. Voted!

Indeed. Perhaps you would do well by educating yourself and viewing the code? Far be it from me to point to the fact that the code checks ownership + perms, and provides a means for people to "steal" other people's creations by importing the copied products as their own creations. But please. Don't let facts stand in the way.

And whos fault is that? Linden Labs.

I was wondering about that one, too..

This makes me want to say: Fine, LL. Whatever. You know there's big holes in your plan. We know it, too. Just save us some time, cut to the chase and tell us if you've already decided to ignore this one or not.

youve been around long enough to already know the answer to that.

Whether the items are full permission or not is irrelevant. Having "mod/copy/transfer" doesn't mean "you're allowed to take this to another grid".

Anybody who's been in SL a year has been around long enough...

Can I have some of whatever your are drinking or inhaling?