I would like to know where Kismet moved, I am sure I can say something bad about that person also, may it then be Alliez, Hiro or Governor Linden. But what do their personal life weirdness or shadyness in past have to do with what service they provide now? Its all irrelevant[/QUOTE]
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Alliez Mysterio
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10-21-2005 13:38
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Finn Jensen
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10-21-2005 13:39
I said "Did anyone of these people bashing Dreamland bother checking this out ?"
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Hiro Queso
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10-21-2005 13:40
I find it somehow disturbing that as soon as AC gets flamed for something, other landbarons jump in as saving angels, although they do the exact same thing as Anshe; rent sell land. Double moral and hipocrisy..... _____________________
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Finn Jensen
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10-21-2005 13:41
Question: Do I own the land I just bought on maingrid?
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Hiro Queso
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10-21-2005 13:42
Question: Do I own the land I just bought on maingrid? No, lindenlab owns it.... No AC does rofl! _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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10-21-2005 13:43
I keeeeeed of course
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Finn Jensen
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10-21-2005 13:46
Oh that one Hiro. Yes I bet you and Alliez ( and some other) told Kismet " We have the same crap to offer as Anshe, you can rent from us in same way as from AC" or maybe it was more like " we have something better to offer?" But as I stated I did not bother reading the entire thread, just glanzed at some posts. then again facts do not matter, we have learned, as long as someone belives what one say ;P
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Hiro Queso
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10-21-2005 13:50
Oh that one Hiro. Yes I bet you and Alliez ( and some other) told Kismet " We have the same crap to offer as Anshe, you can rent from us in same way as from AC" or maybe it was more like " we have something better to offer?" But as I stated I did not bother reading the entire thread, just glanzed at some posts. then again facts do not matter, we have learned, as long as someone belives what one say ;P *eeee ahhh* Incorrect. Please try again. AC 'pointed out' how much superior her sims and offers were over my own and Alliez's which of course promted a reply. _____________________
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Anshe Chung
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10-21-2005 13:52
*eeee ahhh* Incorrect. Please try again. AC 'pointed out' how much superior her sims and offers were over my own and Alliez's which of course promted a reply. I did not mention you or Alliez before you and your tenants/employees started posting on this thread. In fact, my only mention was in response to post from Alliez. Please scroll back and don't twist facts. _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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10-21-2005 13:55
I did not mention you or Alliez before you and your tenants/employees started posting on this thread. In fact, my only mention was in response to post from Alliez. Please scroll back and don't twist facts. The thread is here for everyone to see, I have no intention in twisting any facts. 1. I have no employees 2. I am not my resdents' keeper. Sure a resident posted in the thread, but if you post comparisons between your own offerings and mine, are you at all surprised if I reply with the same? _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
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10-21-2005 13:59
But what do their personal life weirdness or shadyness in past have to do with what service they provide now? Its all irrelevant  _____________________
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Alliez Mysterio
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10-21-2005 14:01
Oh that one Hiro. Yes I bet you and Alliez ( and some other) told Kismet " We have the same crap to offer as Anshe, you can rent from us in same way as from AC" or maybe it was more like " we have something better to offer?" But as I stated I did not bother reading the entire thread, just glanzed at some posts. then again facts do not matter, we have learned, as long as someone belives what one say ;P Just a second, Kismet lived on our islands before she "bought" land from Anshe. When she told me I wished her the very best of luck. I never once said a thing against Anshe or her sims. And I welcomed her back when she wanted to return after finding out she in fact did not own the land. Please check your facts before you assume anything about me. I do think you owe it to yourself to be informed. Take the time and read and maybe you might learn a few things about what is going on. |
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Hiro Queso
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10-21-2005 14:01
I did not mention you or Alliez before you and your tenants/employees started posting on this thread. In fact, my only mention was in response to post from Alliez. Please scroll back and don't twist facts. If you want to talk about it in IM, as you mentioned earlier, answer the message I sent you. _____________________
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Alliez Mysterio
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10-21-2005 14:11
I did not mention you or Alliez before you and your tenants/employees started posting on this thread. In fact, my only mention was in response to post from Alliez. Please scroll back and don't twist facts. We do not have employees, not that I am at all aware of. And yes, I know Kismet she lived on an island of ours before she "bought" land from you. She started the thread and I did respond in here which I do believe I am allowed to do. Other than that I am not aware of any of our tenants posting in here. Oh, sorry, SarahLynn came to live on one of our islands and I did see her post. |
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Finn Jensen
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10-21-2005 14:12
Interesting Alliez, interesting indeed....
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April Firefly
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10-21-2005 15:42
Will you also flame Linden Lab now? They "rent" land on mainland, sometimes they collected more than 20 L$ per sqm "upfront fee". Some people released their land or canceled their account and got 0 L$ back. Are thousands of people who "own" land in mainland sims stupid? Are more than 300 "land owner" in Dreamland dumb? This is one free market. Different business offer different products. Sometimes somebody buys, then 5 months later finds another product that he/she likes more. In free market people vote with the wallet. You are free to make your choices or give your recommendations. You are also free to discuss rental of land vs buying of land in SL. But insulting people in Dreamland the way you just did is not called for. Only because you, as you just said, "defended Dreamland so vehemently" in order to "protect your investment", does not mean that everybody else in Dreamland share the same kind of thinking. We don't always think exactly the same, which is good. To me it is silly, that's not an insult. That's my opinion. And we can discuss our opinions. In this manner, we can educate others. If these other options had been brought to my attention, I would have chosen this method from the beginning. I am not flaming anyone, just stating the truth. As a smart businesswoman, you must understand this. To me, the bottom line is this: People need to be aware of the options. I am glad people are happy in Dreamland, if they are, then what is the harm of letting people know the truth. How many of these threads must there be where someone realizes after the fact that the land they "bought" is not really their own. As for Linden Labs "renting" land, that land can be sold just buy setting it for sale. This makes it very much different from Dreamland. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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10-21-2005 15:59
I suggest you buy land on the mainland. Maybe Linden Lab will ship you one server that you can put under your desk. OK, so does LL put one server under your desk when you buy one? If they don't, then you don't own it either, and therefore you can't "sell" it - you can sublet it. With the above statement, I think you have made the point that many are trying to make in this thread with respect to the terminology issue. _____________________
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Jim Lumiere
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10-21-2005 16:01
After reading the entire thread, I find Im reminded of the conversations I used to have when I bought my first RL home ... it was an apartment. I had the devil of a time explaining to people that it was a coop, not a condo. Explaining the differences between the two ... and how fortunate I was to get it at all, considering that banks were only just (at that point) starting to issue mortgages for coops.
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Anshe Chung
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10-21-2005 16:12
OK, so does LL put one server under your desk when you buy one? If they don't, then you don't own it either, and therefore you can't "sell" it - you can sublet it. With the above statement, I think you have made the point that many are trying to make in this thread with respect to the terminology issue. As far as I know Linden Lab does not own any servers, they lease them from some ISP. Assuming that ISP really own those servers (and is not leasing them from some hardware leasing company), then Linden Lab is sub-leasing and we are sub-sub-leasing. If their ISP just do hardware leasing themself, then Linden Lab would be sub-sub-leasing and we would be sub-sub-sub-leasing. So, once Linden Lab call their offering "sub-lease" we will happily call ours "sub-sub-lease". Until then we use the generally used terminology in SL and pass out our notecards with detailed information that make it clear to people what they buy _____________________
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Jamie Bergman
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10-21-2005 16:21
The Dreamland continent started in March this year. By now it has grown to 60 sims and more than 300 land owners. And it keep growing at about 2 sims per week, mostly through word of mouth from happy land owners Ka-Ching! Anshe is a baller! |
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Anshe Chung
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10-21-2005 16:24
As for Linden Labs "renting" land, that land can be sold just buy setting it for sale. This makes it very much different from Dreamland. Land is sold once somebody buy it, not once it is set for sale. There are many people who sell at serious loss on mainland. Everyday there are people who release land to public. The difference is that the market for land leases on the mainland is currently more liquid and has better tools than in Dreamland. This however does not change that land in Dreamland is bought, advertised, sold. _____________________
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April Firefly
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10-21-2005 16:40
Land is sold once somebody buy it, not once it is set for sale. There are many people who sell at serious loss on mainland. Everyday there are people who release land to public. The difference is that the market for land leases on the mainland is currently more liquid and has better tools than in Dreamland. This however does not change that land in Dreamland is bought, advertised, sold. Yes, but the difference is how it is bought and sold. The original poster's point was on this subject. I understand your concepts. But for some it is confusing. Anshe, isn't it better if it's explained and not confused? How many more people like Kismet do we have to see go through this? If just by explaining it clearer, isn't it worth it to save someone else this kind of hardship? It would be good for them and it would be mean one less dissatisfied customer, so it would be good for you. No one is saying "buying" in Dreamland is bad. It's just that the terminology leads to confusion. I keep hearing that Sym's commercial in my head. "An educated consumer is our best customer". _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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10-21-2005 16:45
As far as I know Linden Lab does not own any servers, they lease them from some ISP. Assuming that ISP really own those servers (and is not leasing them from some hardware leasing company), then Linden Lab is sub-leasing and we are sub-sub-leasing. If their ISP just do hardware leasing themself, then Linden Lab would be sub-sub-leasing and we would be sub-sub-sub-leasing. So, once Linden Lab call their offering "sub-lease" we will happily call ours "sub-sub-lease". Until then we use the generally used terminology in SL and pass out our notecards with detailed information that make it clear to people what they buy Well, I was just expanding on your own logic. It matters naught if the servers are sublet 20 times before they get to the end user - none of us own them, so we can't "sell" them. By the way, LL owns the hardware. They lease the space where they reside - the co-lo. _____________________
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Kismet Gupte
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10-21-2005 17:59
I suggest you buy land on the mainland. Maybe Linden Lab will ship you one server that you can put under your desk. Thank you for the suggestion Anshe One never knows But the fact is I do have a big desk Oh & as far as future land purchases are concerned please dont lose sleep worrying about me as i wont be making any purchases from you After all they are NOT worth having *smiles nicely @ Anshe* |
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Merwan Marker
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10-21-2005 18:02
As far as I know Linden Lab does not own any servers, they lease them from some ISP... As far as know isn't far enough...and you don't know. The hardwear is LL's.  _____________________
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