Boycott SLExchange?
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-20-2005 15:37
From: Cristiano Midnight Cubey do you honestly think this was about subverting competition? Her request to create an open source version of all of this was borne out of this situation happening in the first place, so the charge that she is trying to drum up support for her own venture at the expense of SLE is silly. This situation is damaging enough on its own, regardless of her call for a boycott. Your viciousness in response is no more justified than the viciousness you are accusing her of - you can blame her on provoking you all you want to, you are responsible for your own actions. Thanks so much. You are so right. That post really upset me.  I think I'll leave this thread now. I just wanted to apologize. ~Ulrika~
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blaze Spinnaker
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01-20-2005 15:42
Yeah, I think I would call Ulrika self important, grandiose and perhaps has a poor sense of free market concepts
.. however I have never seen anything that would suggest that Ulrika is anything except full of integrity.
An open source version simply will not fly, though.
There already *is* someone who lists for free, and look how poorly they are doing.
What we need is to convince Adam to work with the community and open up the inventory system as a way to get a competitive advantage against SLExchange.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-20-2005 15:44
From: blaze Spinnaker Yeah, I think I would call Ulrika self important, grandiose and perhaps has a poor sense of free market concepts
.. however I have never seen anything that would suggest that Ulrika is anything except full of integrity.
An open source version simply will not fly, though.
There already *is* someone who lists for free, and look how poorly they are doing. SecondServer.net is still a victim of its own complexity, and SLE's superior marketing at the hands of Merwan. Feature wise SS has always been the more convenient site, since you do not have to seek out a terminal and pay money into it to someone else's account - you simply pay an item that is sent to you. However, SLE had the edge in marketing and ease of use - and the technologically superior product does not always win out.
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Cubey Terra
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01-20-2005 15:45
From: Cristiano Midnight Cubey do you honestly think this was about subverting competition? Her request to create an open source version of all of this was borne out of this situation happening in the first place, so the charge that she is trying to drum up support for her own venture at the expense of SLE is silly. This situation is damaging enough on its own, regardless of her call for a boycott. Your viciousness in response is no more justified than the viciousness you are accusing her of - you can blame her on provoking you all you want to, you are responsible for your own actions. Ulrika posted her desire to compete with SL Exchange before this situation arose.
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billy Madison
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01-20-2005 15:47
Hehe, Im not going to say which is going to have the extra advantage but it is a tight knit group that is constantly upping the bid for slexchange.net and .org each of the parties want it for a diff reason =)
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Jeska Linden
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01-20-2005 15:50
While it is inevitable that you will disagree with one another on one topic or another, please refrain from bringing personal attacks to the forums. Be respectful of one another and if you insist on having a direct conversation with someone you disagree with, talk to them in world or via private messages.
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billy Madison
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01-20-2005 15:52
From: Jeska Linden While it is inevitable that you will disagree with one another on one topic or another, please refrain from bringing personal attacks to the forums. Be respectful of one another and if you insist on having a direct conversation with someone you disagree with, talk to them in world or via private messages. Jeska, Please accept me. |
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Kayin Zugzwang
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01-20-2005 16:01
 : "FEZZIK, FEZZIK, listen, do you hear? -- That is the sound of ultimate suffering. My heart made that sound when Rugen slaughtered my father. This thread makes it now. " |
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Pleze Playfair
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01-20-2005 16:10
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I think it's important to remember that someone is in breach of contract. If not on principle, I hope some will at least be sympathetic with Merwan's plight, whether he admits he needs help or not.
~Ulrika~ If he says he doesn't need help why not respect his decision? He is a big boy and sounds like he has it all under control. He doesn't require you to hold his hand. Why don't you just let it be. |
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Juro Kothari
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01-20-2005 16:35
Ulrika has the right to request a boycott of SLE, but we each have the right to choose to participate or not.
I've already expressed my opinion on that matter earlier in this thread and I will be reserving my stand on this SLE issue until more information comes forth.
I am glad to see Ulrika, through her passioned view on the subject, was able to see that her comments about Apotheus were not fair and duly apologized.
Next on the agenda: everyone breathe and let Apotheus and Merwan work this out.
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Craw Mysterio
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01-20-2005 17:13
From: Cubey Terra No, Ulrika, I will not. You were vicious and unjustified in your attacks. You tried to subvert your competition in the name of "ethics" when you clearly have no understanding of ethics yourself.
I think that if you're surprised at me for saying that, then you should take a second to reflect. I do not react like this in the forums normally. It would take something extraordinarily and obscenely self-serving and malicious to provoke me into name-calling. Somehow, you've succeeded. Congratulations!
I do apologize for losing my temper in the face of Ulrika's two-faced, self-aggrandizing, vicious attacks. But I'll probably do the same again if I see another similar post. god you're dense. How exactly are your "attacks" any better than hers? She obviously has information concerning the situation that she posted that she received earlier, but you obviously lack reading comprehension skills and missed that part. Furthermore you have absolutely no knowledge of the situation yourself, yet you feel compelled to defend the person who got himself into it like a rabid animal. |
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Lisse Livingston
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01-20-2005 22:09
You forgot the "I don't use SLExchange" option.
Or should those people just not rerad this thread?
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Pete Fats
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01-21-2005 00:45
From: Talen Morgan Isn't that a new maxipad or something? Well I just did a search and its official! Congratulations on being the first person to use the word maxipad on the forums.  |
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Francis Chung
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01-21-2005 01:06
From: Pete Fats Well I just did a search and its official! Congratulations on being the first person to use the word maxipad on the forums. Pete, you rule. Best post today  We shared a LOL over this.
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blaze Spinnaker
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07-08-2005 14:38
Ahhh, the good ol' days.
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Willow Zander
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07-08-2005 14:39
From: blaze Spinnaker Ahhh, the good ol' days. LOL what are you doing! dredging up every old thread eveh! Get to the sexy ones dammit
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Merwan Marker
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07-08-2005 14:46
From: blaze Spinnaker Ahhh, the good ol' days. LoL - Blaze, go to your room!!
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Merwan Marker
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07-08-2005 14:48
From: Cristiano Midnight ---SLE's superior marketing at the hands of Merwan ---. Why thank you Cristiano!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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07-08-2005 14:51
Is it on again?! Hang on, I have that protest sign here somewhere. Is that one crook still partial owner? What was his name? Ha ha.
Oh! Here's the sign. I'm ready to go.
Well, it could be worse with SLEX. Anshe could be involved. Let's march!
~Ulrika~
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Dianne Mechanique
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07-08-2005 15:05
From: Surreal Farber ... 'm with Jonquille on this... you are an attention whore looking for a bandwagon. If you can't find a cause, you will invent one.... This is a bit strong. Violates the forum rules quite distinctly too. . |
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Nexus Nash
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07-08-2005 15:10
Holy Thread Resurection Batman!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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07-08-2005 15:15
From: Dianne Mechanique This is a bit strong.
Violates the forum rules quite distinctly too. Yes. She's one member of surly triad, each prone to personal attacks, rabid negativity, and pack posting. In this case, they were making quite a bit of money from SLEX at the time and were acting in their own self interest. As for it being too strong, I've said worse.  ~Ulrika~
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blaze Spinnaker
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07-08-2005 15:17
This thread will sadly probably be locked, however it was an interesting time in SL's history.
It's especially interesting because how ineffective the mass outrage really was. Though, maybe it gave secondserver and slboutique enough breathing space to provide solid competition.
Looking back, I don't think anyone ever really knew the truth of the situation except for what Apotheus admitted to in the forums. I also wonder a little after the fact, how much of it was honest anger and how much of it was simply political intrigue in the metaverse.
Good times!
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Dianne Mechanique
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07-08-2005 15:19
From: Surreal Farber ...Well at least your agenda for destroying this business isn't hidden. I think Cubey was being generous when he described this as sleezy.... you need to practice what you preach. Ulrika can defend herself of course, but *I* am getting offended just reading this foul stuff, Surreal. Please stop with the personal remarks and insults and stick to the topic. If I was her I would have AR'ed you three times already over this thread. Practicaly everything you've said is a "personal attack" under the new rules definition. . |
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blaze Spinnaker
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07-08-2005 15:20
Heh.. this is an old thread, Dianne. Those were different times then.. you know, people could say what they wanted, the west was still wild & untamed.
Not like the lawful and orderly existence we have now!
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