Boycott SLExchange?
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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01-19-2005 15:17
I can't be brow beaten out of this one. Breach of contract and admitted blackmail executed by the owner of SLExchange cannot be swept under the carpet. I do not care about my income, image, or time as much as care about bringing criminal activity of SL business members to attention of our citizens. Just because this criminal happens to provide revenue to a lot of people does not make the actions just. The boycott is on! (Erm. I mean it will be when I get home from work.)  ~Ulrika~
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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01-19-2005 15:18
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I can't be brow beaten out of this one. Breach of contract and admitted blackmail executed by the owner of SLExchange cannot be swept under the carpet. I do not care about my income, image, or time as much as care about bringing criminal activity of SL business members to attention of our citizens. Just because this criminal happens to provide revenue to a lot of people does not make the actions just. The boycott is on! (Erm. I mean it will be when I get home from work.)  ~Ulrika~ Ulrika, this is a personal matter between two individuals....and Merwan himself said he didn't want to hurt the merchants.
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
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01-19-2005 15:20
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I can't be brow beaten out of this one. Breach of contract and admitted blackmail executed by the owner of SLExchange cannot be swept under the carpet. I do not care about my income, image, or time as much as care about bringing criminal activity of SL business members to attention of our citizens. Just because this criminal happens to provide revenue to a lot of people does not make the actions just. The boycott is on! (Erm. I mean it will be when I get home from work.)  ~Ulrika~ Will you be selling protest signs again?
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Dragon Stryker
Destroyer of Heavens
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
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01-19-2005 15:25
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I can't be brow beaten out of this one.
Breach of contract and admitted blackmail executed by the owner of SLExchange cannot be swept under the carpet.
~Ulrika~ No one admitted blackmail. Read it again: From: Apotheus Silverman So poorly that I committed what some would call blackmail (though my act does not technically fall under the definition).
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
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01-19-2005 15:26
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I can't be brow beaten out of this one.
I think most people are just expressing thier lack of support for your boycott, Ulrika, due to it being an internal issue and the serious lack of information. From: Ulrika Zugzwang Breach of contract and admitted blackmail executed by the owner of SLExchange cannot be swept under the carpet.
It was not admitted blackmail, please re-check your facts. He said he handled the situation so poorly that some may have interpreted it as blackmail. He also said that, in his defense, it did not fall under the definition of blackmail. From: Ulrika Zugzwang Just because this criminal happens to provide revenue to a lot of people does not make the actions just.
Hmmm.. well, exactly how are they providing revenue? They provide a channel for revenue, but are not a source of. Oh, and calling him a criminal is probably grounds for a libel suit, Ulrika. I'm really surprised you would stoop to this level. Until PROVEN guilty, he's not a criminal. I think an apology is in order for that comment.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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01-19-2005 15:33
I find this incredibly sexist... I for one plan to Girlcott it!
Siggy.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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01-19-2005 15:36
From: Siggy Romulus I find this incredibly sexist... I for one plan to Girlcott it!
Siggy. Damn you Siggy! Another keyboard lost to coffee....
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Antagonistic Protagonist
Zeta
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 467
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01-19-2005 15:46
I looked really hard but I couldn't find the option that said "bugger all biased polls". Oh well, I guess I wont vote 
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
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01-19-2005 15:50
From: Siggy Romulus I find this incredibly sexist... I for one plan to Girlcott it!
Siggy. Isn't that a new maxipad or something?
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DoteDote Edison
Thinks Too Much
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
Posts: 790
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01-19-2005 17:39
Add Ulrika Zugzwang to your Ignore List --> Yes
Congratulations on being the third member to my ignore list. I'm sure Blake and Billy will welcome you upon arrival.
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Tikki Kerensky
Insane critter
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 687
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01-19-2005 17:48
Quick question. How long did Ulrika's old boycott of the general board last anyway?
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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01-19-2005 17:51
From: Tikki Kerensky Quick question. How long did Ulrika's old boycott of the general board last anyway? About as long as my giving up smoking as a New Years Resolution. (gotta cut this short I'm going out for a smoke). Siggy.
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Emma Thorn
Voice of Treason
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 139
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01-20-2005 09:50
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I can't be brow beaten out of this one. Breach of contract and admitted blackmail executed by the owner of SLExchange cannot be swept under the carpet. I do not care about my income, image, or time as much as care about bringing criminal activity of SL business members to attention of our citizens. Just because this criminal happens to provide revenue to a lot of people does not make the actions just. The boycott is on! (Erm. I mean it will be when I get home from work.)  ~Ulrika~ All I really got out of this post was, "I am the most selfless and noble person any of you have ever met, look at how great I am!" I'm SURE Ulrika is ethically spotless, otherwise someone might mistake her for a hypocrite!  Why not do something constructive with your life, instead of creating these idiotic crusades that serve only to bolster your incredibly audacious opinion of yourself?
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Juro Kothari
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01-20-2005 10:08
From: Emma Thorn I'm SURE Ulrika is ethically spotless, otherwise someone might mistake her for a hypocrite! Up until this issue, it may have been very possible. However, calling someone a criminal and a self-admitted blackmailer when both are undeniably false is not exactly what I call ethical behavior. Personally, I think she should apologize to Apotheus for those remarks, but that's just me.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
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01-20-2005 10:09
From: Liona Clio Evidently the person who was really marketing SLExchange has parted ways with the person who was behind the coding. === ===
Liona the fact is - I at no time "...parted ways..." with my business partner. I hold a 40% ownership share in SL Exchange. _/_/_/
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Juro Kothari
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01-20-2005 10:34
From: Juro Kothari Up until this issue, it may have been very possible. However, calling someone a criminal and a self-admitted blackmailer when both are undeniably false is not exactly what I call ethical behavior.
Personally, I think she should apologize to Apotheus for those remarks, but that's just me. To clarify this a bit: even though those two comments made by Ulrika are unethical and false, it does not mean that Apotheus acted in an ethical manner when handling this situation with SLE.
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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01-20-2005 10:43
Oh, I've sold more on SLExchange in the last day than I have in the last two weeks.
If anything, this seems to be good for SL Exchange.
Hopefully other sellers will drop out, then I'll have the customers all to myself!
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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01-20-2005 10:57
This is all reminding me that I need to get *PREEN* hooked up to SLE. Damn my laziness.
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
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01-20-2005 11:01
From: Juro Kothari Up until this issue, it may have been very possible. However, calling someone a criminal and a self-admitted blackmailer when both are undeniably false is not exactly what I call ethical behavior.
Personally, I think she should apologize to Apotheus for those remarks, but that's just me. Juro, I have yet to see 100% proof either way. Though from what I have been able to learn, I would say these statements lean more towards truth than false. However, I personally will hold back judgement until or even if I ever know further. But you can no more say that what Ulrika stated was "undeniably false" any more than I can say what she stated was "undeniably true". And at this point, my personal opinion is that it is Merwan who deserves the apology (and then some), not Apotheus. But that is again a personal opinion of course.
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Juro Kothari
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01-20-2005 11:13
From: Pendari Lorentz Juro, I have yet to see 100% proof either way. Though from what I have been able to learn, I would say these statements lean more towards truth than false. However, I personally will hold back judgement until or even if I ever know further. But you can no more say that what Ulrika stated was "undeniably false" any more than I can say what she stated was "undeniably true".
And at this point, my personal opinion is that it is Merwan who deserves the apology (and then some), not Apotheus. But that is again a personal opinion of course. I have to disagree on this one. What Apotheus did was, by his own admission, wrong. He does not deserve an apology for his actions, I'm not debating that or even suggesting it. I feel she should apologize because she called him a criminal and blackmailer - neither of which is true at this point. So she called him a criminal on the forums, but the last time I checked, you had to be prosecuted and found guilty for that label to apply. Yes, he did some bad things - but a criminal? He also stated that his actions were so poor that some might call them blackmail, though he defends himself by adding that his actions don't fall under the definition of blackmail. But, as far as we know - he did not blackmail anyone. Ulrika specifically called him a criminal and blackmailer. You're right in that we cannot prove, with out a doubt, either way his actions, but the last time I checked one is innocent until proven guilty. If Ulrika had called me a criminal for an act I was responsible for, but no charges had been brought - she'd already be served with a lawsuit for libel. What really gets me is that Ulrika, above most others here, holds ethical behavior in very high regard, and her comments are nothing more than a smear campaign. She jumped the gun, plain and simple. I should also add: I'm not defending Apotheus in any way - he should have to deal with the fallout of his admittedly poor/cruel actions - but he shouldn't have to deal with people calling him a criminal.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
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01-20-2005 11:25
I've spoken with Apotheus concerning a pending boycott and have been told to sit tight. Aparently, things will be resolved very shortly. I'll give it a few more days and then it'll be time to crack some unethical capitalist skulls.
As for my inflamatory speech, it is part of being a leftist. I'm very progressive, ethical, and kind but have a bit of a reactionary streak, especially when it comes to political and social inequity. I have no apologies. It is who I am. If you don't like it, tell it to your mama.
~Ulrika~
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Jessica Robertson
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01-20-2005 11:27
From: someone but the last time I checked one is innocent until proven guilty. Depends on the government and where you live. Besides, Ulrika invented government!!!  You're going to have to start one in SL where that is true! *laughs* I know this is a serious issue, and I am just trying to make some light humor on some of it. The fact is, until we know more, it's unresolved. Noone has the needed facts, and it looks like those facts probably won't be incoming anytime soon. So the people that do business there will have to make their own personal decision based on the few facts they have. But thats going to be a decision that each person makes on their own.
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Lance LeFay
is a Thug
Join date: 1 May 2003
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01-20-2005 11:28
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I've spoken with Apotheus concerning a pending boycott and have been told to sit tight. Aparently, things will be resolved very shortly. I'll give it a few more days and then it'll be time to crack some unethical capitalist skulls. ~Ulrika~ Ulrika, no offense, but this really doesn't seem to be either fully justified or making a difference :|
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
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01-20-2005 11:30
From: Ulrika Zugzwang As for my inflamatory speech, it is part of being a leftist. I'm very progressive, ethical, and kind but have a bit of a reactionary streak, especially when it comes to political and social inequity. I have no apologies. It is who I am. If you don't like it, tell it to your mama.
I'll remember to use that excuse sometime Ulrika. Very nice. It reeks of hypocracy. I always viewed you as a slightly radical, leftist with good intentions and a nice, solid ethical approach - even though we didn't always agree. With this, and your failure to own up to your flatly false accusations, I can only see you as your actions and comments demonstrate. Too bad.
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Emma Thorn
Voice of Treason
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
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01-20-2005 11:40
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I've spoken with Apotheus concerning a pending boycott and have been told to sit tight. Aparently, things will be resolved very shortly. I'll give it a few more days and then it'll be time to crack some unethical capitalist skulls.
As for my inflamatory speech, it is part of being a leftist. I'm very progressive, ethical, and kind but have a bit of a reactionary streak, especially when it comes to political and social inequity. I have no apologies. It is who I am. If you don't like it, tell it to your mama.
~Ulrika~ Why not pat yourself on the back some more? This might not be enough.
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