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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
12-14-2004 22:44
If this means that there will be fewer bitchy, judgemental posts complaining how much everyone else sucks, then bravo. Play your own game. Find your own reasons to enjoy your life... first or second. Enjoy your friends, ignore your enemies.

Hoping everyone has a happy and drama free holiday.

Surreal
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
12-14-2004 22:44
From: Juro Kothari
Many times in the past, I've swallowed the pride and extended the hand in a good gesture, but one can only do that so many times.
Juro, what would Torley do?

~Ulrika~
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Chik-chik-chika-ahh
Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
12-14-2004 22:45
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
There's no need to attack me. I'm simply putting my neck out for someone who needs a little help right now. I don't get paid for this. I'm doing it because I think it's the right thing to do and I'd want someone to do it for me.

~Ulrika~


Rofl I didnt attack you... I simply quoted you with your own quote, don't preach something you aren't willing to follow yourself hun.
Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
12-14-2004 22:47
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Juro, what would Torley do?


Ahhh.. the million dollar question.

I have no idea what Torley would do, having gone through all of my experiences with Cat on the forums.
Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
12-14-2004 22:48
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Juro, what would Torley do?

~Ulrika~


What on earth does Torley have to do with this? I mean, come on, make the connection for me :)
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
12-14-2004 22:50
From: Moopf Murray
What on earth does Torley have to do with this? I mean, come on, make the connection for me :)


I thought Torley was the SL Messiah...
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
12-14-2004 22:50
From: Moopf Murray
What on earth does Torley have to do with this? I mean, come on, make the connection for me :)
Ha ha. It's "what would Jesus do" with Torley's name substituted. :D

~Ulrika~
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
12-14-2004 22:51
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Juro, what would Torley do?

~Ulrika~



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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
12-14-2004 22:59
on second thought, no, i'll just stay out of this.

LF
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
12-14-2004 23:00
Did you sell you $L before you cancelled your account?
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Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
12-14-2004 23:01
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Did you sell you $L before you cancelled your account?

Dunno, but she sold Christmas Island... Lord, I swear all about money! even from the money haters! hehe ;)
Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
12-14-2004 23:35
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
There's no need to attack me. I'm simply putting my neck out for someone who needs a little help right now. I don't get paid for this. I'm doing it because I think it's the right thing to do and I'd want someone to do it for me.

~Ulrika~


Agreed - asking someone to please stay is quite different than saying "oh the drama, you'll be back again". Catherine has always been passionate to a fault - her best of intentions normally wind up collapsing on top of her and trapping her underneath. She and I have had our differences, but beneath all of the contradictions that make Catherine (and any of us) who we are, she is an amazing person with a very good and surprisingly fragile heart. She just has been her own worst enemy at times and let what goes on in the forums impact the SL that she loves so much, which is a shame. I do hope that Lordfly is right and she does return, not so that he or anyone else can say "I told you so" but because she is a part of the fabric that has made SL special.

Catherine, if you read this, please know that you will be missed - and I hope that you do have a merry christmas, in spite of all of this. Thank you for letting me spend time with you recently - any time I have ever spent with you in world has been wonderful.
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Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
12-14-2004 23:46
Catherine posting this thread and naming myself and others as her reasons for leaving SL and ruining her Christmas, is low... I will not be blamed for ruining someones life simply because I disagree with them(Yesterday was my first disagreement and even speaking directly to Catherine).... Catherine I would recommend you seek some help... and I am not saying this to be mean, but your actions reflect the personality of one with suicidal tendencies, or at least threatens about it to get attention or his/her way. There is help out there...
Andie Apollo
Designer with heart
Join date: 1 Nov 2003
Posts: 667
12-14-2004 23:49
Hello, Catherine!
Your post made me upset! :(

All I can say is TAKE IT EASY!
Maybe a trip could help, thats what I did after everyone were so kind about my post'' stop to sell baby in a box''. I went to Malta and didnt let an online game makes me sad. :cool:

Hug & Peace

Andie
Blue Burke
god I love this game :}~
Join date: 5 Jul 2004
Posts: 147
12-14-2004 23:49
:rolleyes: I think we will all miss her. :eek: I mean she says shes leaving and there is 3 pages of posting. Yes Cathrine even the "evil" :cool: Blue Buke found you entertaining and in some way I think I'll miss ya too. Merry Christmas to ya.
Foster Virgo
Registered User
Join date: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 175
12-15-2004 00:13
When I first met Catherine it was through her free apartments for noobies. It didn't last long but I thought it was a nice gesture of someone who really wants to make an impact on players of SL without bleeding them dry through land sales or casinos or whatever else.
Nobody is to blame for this though, it's just the way it is in a system that can be gamed and exploited at the expense of the average joe. I think Catherine is passionate in her views of the way things are becuase the real creators seldom seem to get any credit unless it's a huge undertaking by a group. It takes a whole team to build something like Neverland and Olde London or the Halloween horror stuff but it only takes one person to play the system and bleed the economy.

I also don't think it's respectful to make fun of someone who is obviously having a rough time of things. Leaving and cancelling selling off all your assets if you have any is a last ditch effort to get away from something that is causing you emotional stress to the point of breaking down mentally.

My advice to Catherine would be get a basic accoutn forget about land and anything else that has to do with money and enjoy the people you can depend on.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
12-15-2004 00:19
From: Sensual Casanova
Catherine posting this thread and naming myself and others as her reasons for leaving SL and ruining her Christmas, is low... I will not be blamed for ruining someones life simply because I disagree with them(Yesterday was my first disagreement and even speaking directly to Catherine).... Catherine I would recommend you seek some help... and I am not saying this to be mean, but your actions reflect the personality of one with suicidal tendencies, or at least threatens about it to get attention or his/her way. There is help out there...



If anyone around here needs to be analysed I think you're the poster child. Just because you like to wrap yourself in the excuses of being "honest" and 'blunt" doesn't mean the squabbles you have had with at least as many people as Cat go unnoticed.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
12-15-2004 00:21
I am going to repost this from another thread in the off-topic section as I think it's just as, if not more relevant here.

Cat, it's evident you've made som REAL friendships here. I think that should outweigh anything else, but that's just my opinion.

As far as being called a bitch, you can let it eat you up or you can rise above.

I noticed you said "...we keep going back to this same dance." You played a very big part in that with your threads. I know this 'money" thing drives you nuts, and sometimes I too am not that thrilled with it, but then I look at all the friends I have made, some of which became RL friends, my builds, other's wonderful builds, scripts, anims, skins, etc., etc., and I remember the SL slogan; "Your world, your imagination". It really is what you make out of it. For some it's a game, a chatroom, for others a developmental tool, and yet others a way to make some spare change, for some it's a source of heartache and frustration, just like the WWW.

I see your threads about money and it does come back to the "same old song and dance". I have to wonder why you do it to yourself? I do not mean that in an accusatory fashion. I simply hate to see you wind yourself up when you could be in world creating, inspiring, and sharing. I know you long for the earlier days of SL, I do as well at times, but then I remember, nothing stays gold forever. It's like after that first six months is over when you fell in love with someone. If you can then realize and accept that it's never going to be that way again, and be ok with that, you can move forward and grow together. If you keep holding on to the idyllic dreamscape, you will be constantly disappointed.

All that said, I will not be happy to see you go and good luck to you and yours. Happy Holidays.
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Latonia Lambert
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 425
12-15-2004 00:49
Catherine

I am very sorry that you feel you had to take this decision; its very sad. I know you have had a rough time on the forums.

Hopefully, after a short break away from SL, you will feel able to return and start anew, perhaps ignoring the forums altogether.

Wishing you a very happy Christmas and New Year

Latonia
Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 9,935
12-15-2004 01:08
Catherine

All I can say is *hugs*

Don't let them get to you, stand your ground, hold your head high and plod along, it's what we all have to do, trust me I know it's hard, I really suffered from my forum flaming, it took me days to decide to stay, but I decided at the end of the day, If ppl don't like what I have to say tough isn't it, they can skim my posts :)

And at the end of the day there wre far more ppl that were nice to me than mean.. so :p

Stay hun, let it go over your head :)

W
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Dee Firefly
Dreaming Dragoness
Join date: 30 Jul 2004
Posts: 315
12-15-2004 01:54
Sorry to hear you felt the need to leave Catherine. We haven't met so maybe now never will, who knows ?

The obsession with commerce does get a little tiring sometimes, I'm with you on that, but I do tend to find it's possible to filter out whatever aspects of SL don't suit me and concentrate on the other aspects - it's such a rich and varied environment here. Likewise, the drama, but I guess that's all part of human nature.

The feeling of wanting to leave SL can also be overpowering - as a matter of fact I felt strongly that way last night, though for very different reasons, but there are many good people here and many good reasons for staying. So I do. Just like real life - Everybody Hurts Sometimes.

Unlike myself (lol), you seem to be a well known and respected member of the community, and so a valuable part of what makes SL really tick - the community, the people - that's the true value of SL - sod the money wrangling - just ignore it ;)

Dunno why I felt the need to stick my oar in, and I'll probably get flamed myself (don't care), but just felt the need to sympathise that's all - it can be rough here sometimes, but the issues in SL ebb and flow like the tides, things change and evolve that's the beauty of it. Hang in there.....

Hope to meet you one day *hug*

Happy Xmas :)
Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
12-15-2004 02:01
Don't let the bastages get you down, Cat.

The key to surviving the forums, and to some degree SL, is to take the same attitude as many other people here have; you need to KNOW (well, believe blindly) that you are vastly superior to the other little plebians who post here in every way; You need to KNOW that you are more successful, intelligent, good looking and that your opinion matters more than anyone elses. Oh, and you need to know all the good put downs too. Which sadly so many people here are lacking in. They have to resort to pointing out spelling errors, use of words, and twist your meanings in order to make their 'point'.

For the most part, people don't debate here. They barely know how. It's more akin to throwing each other to the ground and repeatedly kicking in the groin til one gives up. That's how to 'win' a discussion here.

My advice: become a troll. It's easier. I used to try and make 'sensible' posts, but people don't want that. They want a pissing match. They're not actually interested in what anyone else thinks here.

Granted, no one listens to a fucking word you say when you are a troll, but you can have fun doing it :)
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Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 9,935
12-15-2004 02:02
Pardon Kris?

:p

She's right Catherine, now we are ALL sisters, come troll with us, come troll, come troll awaaaaaaaaaaaaay :)
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Andie Apollo
Designer with heart
Join date: 1 Nov 2003
Posts: 667
12-15-2004 02:39
From: Willow Zander
Pardon Kris?

:p

She's right Catherine, now we are ALL sisters, come troll with us, come troll, come troll awaaaaaaaaaaaaay :)


:eek: omg ...omg ...Trolls are attacking! Do I need a new trip soon?!.... :D
Aces Spade
Raise you One♠
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 2,774
12-15-2004 02:46
From: Sensual Casanova
Catherine posting this thread and naming myself and others as her reasons for leaving SL and ruining her Christmas, is low... I will not be blamed for ruining someones life simply because I disagree with them(Yesterday was my first disagreement and even speaking directly to Catherine).... Catherine I would recommend you seek some help... and I am not saying this to be mean, but your actions reflect the personality of one with suicidal tendencies, or at least threatens about it to get attention or his/her way. There is help out there...


Maybe we should seek the same advice sensual? :rolleyes: you are no prize yourself
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So where is the "i don't give a shit'' option?
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