Unfairly neg rated

Hi

Someone has given me a -3 rating with no message about two days ago. If you are that person, please have the courage, decency and simple politeness to tell me what I've done so wrong.

If you rated an object of mine then why the -1 on my Appearance? Clearly I've been victim of a griefer.

I propose this rating system sucks. It is open to abuse by griefers.

*hugs*

Post any ideas you have for a new system in this thread

Or you can just read what other people think too

Eeek! Sorry to hear that Timey! Obviously, whoever did this is a fucktard and doesn't know that you are one of the sweetest and one of the most talented person in SL. Just try to brush it off, anyone who knows you won't pay any attention to those negs anyways

Huggerz,
MJ

Make people "own their own words". If they have an opinion on something then at least make them accountable for that opinion.

Anonymous griefing is the same as defacing a web site and not being held accountable.

Linden Labs, simply allow us to see who rated us.


And thank you MrsJakal Suavage, David Street, Erika Thereian and Jack Linden and everyone else who is trying to cheer me up. I really appreciate it, but it's not working.

I am unhappy to hear what happened to you Timeless, without rhyme or reason.

Yes. It has been voiced in the past that an eBay-like feedback system would be an improvement. WHAT should go hand-in-hand with WHY, and if someone has rated you negatively sans comment, then that will show on the public record.

The ratings themselves are public, and I believe that like you said, if someone is to have an opinion, then they should be able to be accountable. After all, we are unique individuals with unique views -- it doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

I'm disappointed.

I know how do you feel about unfairly negative ratings
I got 6 and still have no clue why?!!...All of them without messages

SL is unfair game till rating system is in it...
SL is unfair game till I dont know why I cant be a Mentor after 1 year playing SL!

Welcome to wild wild world called SL!


*Hugs and Peace*

PS: I am thinking to leave SL soon.

Heya, Just saw you a few mins ago on your quest, and ide just like to say your not alone.
I have earned at least one of my negs, I will admit.
But

Behavior +303 -5
Appearance +268 -6
Building +216 -7
Given +284 -1

Now first of all, for anyone who has ever seen anything ive built, I hardly think any of it deserves a neg rating, My appearance has NEVER been anything rude or obscene,

And what does the "Given" mean anyway? <-- its obveously not a total cause that dosnt add up.

And the funny thing of it all, is I only Know the name of one of these neg-ers.
And that was something that was a simple disagreement.
I wasnt even on line when I apparently got the rest.

Timeless, that s*cks.

I have gotten negratings, and i've given two.

Fact is, the interface of SL for rating makes it quite easy to 'fire and forget'. Actually I nowadays have no idea who I negrated and would gladly reverse the negrates i've given as soon as I figure out who i gave them too. (If you know who you are... IM me , and i'll remove them ASAP)

Maybe I'm the only one with this problem, but I guess i'm not. Maybe finding this information is somewhere in the interface, and I'm just stupid. Maybe I should have been more careful when negrating.

Fact is, disagreements can be resolved and negative feelings wane. But the negrates stay.

As you know, I don't get the angst over this at all.

For one, you do know who negrated you if it happens while you are offline, if you have set your Ims to show up in your e-mail. Creates a nice record.

People sometimes negrate by accident, or they take a fit and negrate something you have no clue about it or they are just in a fit of pique.

I don't believe this to be abuse or griefing because it's allowed in the game. The Lindens do not even appear to proscribe repeated negratings orchestrated among alts or clubs with spam mail to organize themselves or whatever.

Why get so upset about it?

Anyone can see you are a fine, upstanding citizen and your three-digit posrates are more than offsetting the sprinkling of negrates that are just from a few disgruntled individuals. If I see and oldbie with a 457+ or a 246+ and they are weeping about a -7 or a -2 on their record, I just shake my head in bewilderment? Why the obsession about a few points?

The Lindens might script in something that forces people to write something in the tag line about WHY they negrate but...that's kind of strong-arming people isn't it? Does it matter?

I don't get the obsessive fear and anger I see about negrates, which impact most people either not at all, or with a mere sprinkling, and have no real impact, not even really affecting their Linden stipends or energy levels or anything.

I believe it's a useful tool for expressing criticism that often needs to be expressed in the game.

I can attest to this. Prokofy triple neg rated me for my opinions in the forum. I actually never met him in world nor did I even engage him in the thread which precipitated the neg rating but nonetheless I received them.

Personally, I think it's griefing but hey, that is Prokofy all over. Remember that before you do business with this fellow.

~Ulrika~

I have a couple of negs on me that I must have gotten when I was afk or just not paying attention. I really could care less but I would like to be able to find out who neg'd me just so I could know who my enemies are

Awww Timeless, how can they do that to you!!

Your the man Lemme and my sis at them and we will give them a good willowing

I hear your pain, on my first day IW, I got triple neg rated and I hadn't even opened my mouth, and was still in Ahern in noob clothes, so I lost my rag and asked him why he did it, he simply said that he felt like it, but then took them back and apologised...

Then I noticed about 3 weeks ago I have one neg for appearence... *prolly from ahern when I got my warning for indecency *, but I mean c'mon I only EVER go nakey if I warn ppl *like the charity fundraiser* and I don't dress in hideous outfits

Well to sum it up, it all sucks I agree the system to some respect is cool, but why have it? surely there must be another way for the Lindens to calculate what bonu's we deserve, then we don't have all this negative argy bargy..

Big hugs to you Timeless your a top guy, and cute to boot

If I held that same point of view, watch your backs. I can make your life miserable and I'll make sure it's within the rules. Does that make it right? No!

What does it mean? It means the system needs to be refined. If I earned my neg ratings I'll take them without dispute.

Criticism is only useful if it's constructive. I have done everything in my power to do well and do well to others. If I cannot know how I went wrong then I can never improve.

And yes, people do resolve issues. It's called forgiveness and understanding. The system denies that ability.

One day in Cordova about a week ago I was neg rated simply because the guy didn't know who had pushed him so he neg rated both people near him. Thankfully the culprit owned up and my rating was restored.

I find this offensive. I am being abused. I contribute A LOT to SL in my own small ways, but only because I enjoy it and enjoy seeing people enjoying what I create for them. Don't remove my one reason for being here by protecting griefers.

Only an asshole triple negs someone. (In most cases) no one deserves a triple neg. If their behavior is at fault then neg that. If they are wearing an objectional av then neg appearance. If you don't like their build, neg that. But few people are creative enough to deserve a triple neg rating. So, only fucktard griefers usually use the dreaded triple neg, usually while cowardly hiding behnd an alt av. Would you believe that there are actually people horrible enough out there to neg rate poor sweet innocent CHERUBS!!! ? What kind of insane mindless griefers does LL let in here to harm such innocent creatures? Well, to these vicious bastards I can only say this: 'PHLBBT" .

Ratings don't mean a damn thing. Look up Darko Cellardoor's profile sometime. He threw a party and had everyone there triple-neg him. He is one of the best people you could possibly know in SL.

This post comes up time and time again, with the same discussion time and time again. Rather than re-type my own long opinion on this yet one more time, I'll just summarize.

Ratings are meaningless. I almost never give ratings, and almost never get. Been in SL over a year now, and still haven't topped 100 in any category. And I dont feel the slightest bit of loss in any way over it.

I got my first 3 neg rates the other night from some dumbass who didn't like the fact I was standing watching someone else play video poker. I IMed him to ask why and he never replied I hate cowards. I have never given a neg rating and if I did I'd be sure to tell the person why. If I earned a neg rating for some reason I can live with it but random griefers suck

just say, " WAAAA MF WAAAAA "

Everybody knows the rating system is completely broken in SL.

But Timeless...here is the good news. Everybody KNOWS the rating system is broken. If I see you coming and I noticed you have a bunch of neg ratings I won't give it a second thought. People dismiss ratings when they look at your profile. Darko is the classic example of a nice guy with what would appear to have a nearly criminal rating profile

So no worries. Lindens know about this problem, there will be a change sometime in the future. In the mean time you get the last laugh cause some moron wasted 3 bucks negging you for nothing.

The game permits you to triple neg rate anyone in the game, in the quintessential words of the Lindens, "for any reason or for no reason." To imply that it's not "proper" to negrate someone for their vociferously expressed opinions and to equate it with First Amendment violation is silly. Of course you can negrate someone for the manner in which they express their opinions, just as you can negrate their build. You don't just reserve negrate for those who violate the TOS because the TOS do NOT specify that negrate can ONLY be used for clear violations of the TOS.

I would very rarely go outside the forums to bother to track down someone in the game to negrate them -- who has the time? -- but in this case and one other, I did precisely because of the venomous, threatening, and vociferous way in which the opinions were expressed, both to the world at large, and to me personally. May I remind readers the Ulrika came on like a house a-fire urging taxation of "land barons" by reversing the bulk discount they receive for large-tier purchases, and punishing group project leaders who buy large amounts of land.

I view this type of campaigning, especially from an incubator-supported social democratic community (some of whom are Ulrika's supporters and some of whom are not) as an ominous development that needs a push-back.

Typical of *exactly* the reason for the negrating from the other thread is this threatening statement, that merely because Ulrika doesn't like dissent against her opinions, and merely because she thinks negrating is "griefing," she's willing to tell the world at large "don't do business with Prokofy" in an attempt to harm me long-term in the game in business and in relationships. That's *exactly* the kind of behavior that I think deserves a negrate because it is virulently punitive -- as were incitement campaigns to get people to hate land barons and campaign for taxation and penalties because they don't "contribute" in some wacky socialist utopian notion.

Yes, campaigns to warn people not to deal with someone because they sharply dissented from opionions are *exactly* behavior that deserves and demands negrating. They accomplish far more harm than a negrate -- and I gather I'm not the first or the last to negrate Ulrika for preciously this.

I would note that I wouldn't dream of campaigning against Ulrika and her town to get other players to boycott their business. Go and buy her animations if you like, they are cute. It's just an ideological debate, and I certainly reserve the right to debate vigorously against socialists in this game, and negrate them if I do not like the manner in which they debate, and they are welcome to negrate me. Ulrika didn't engage much in that thread, but choses to go to others to snipe. Can socialists sustain challenges to their viewpoints or not?

Thank you for admitting that you are triple neg-rating griefer. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

Now if we could just do something about those kooky five-paragraph posts.

~Ulrika~

Your one neg rating in appearance is from me, because you would not wear the Boy Toy belt I bought you as a wedding gift in your actual wedding.

Hi

Someone has given me over -350 ratings with no message for about the last 3 monts. If you are one of those people, please have the courage, decency and simple politeness to tell me what I've done so wrong.

If you rated an object of mine then why the -1 on my Appearance? Clearly I've been victim of griefers.

I propose this rating system sucks. It is open to abuse by griefers.

I agree with Huns, Aimee, Newfie, Ulrika....ratings are so meaningless. The rating system sucks. Yes my hubby has 300+ negative ratings and is the coolest and most loving person....and I am not just saying that bc he is my husband. Many ppl will attest to that. So don't get so upset about some stupid neg rate.