Unfairly neg rated

It's pretty rotten isn't it? Makes you feel bad, doesn't it? Now you know what getting a triple negative rating out of the blue feels like.

I hope this lesson isn't lost on you.

~Ulrika~

Negrating is not the same as visual public and personal humiliation of this nature. After all, when you negrate a person, you merely leave them with a minus. No one knows who the minus came from. And a few minuses doesn't harm you in-world.

You did not get a triple negative rating "out of the blue" so stop playing the innocent. Go back and read your caustic, vituperative, and hate-inciting posts and you'll see they are merited.

Then what's the point? If you didn't intend for anyone to see the neg-rate, then why did you leave it? It's nothing more than a visual public and personal humiliation. Which is why I personally don't give neg-rates. If you disagree with someone, speak with them about it. Don't just abuse the system and neg-rate them out of spite.

But do you have the most wonderful sound of all.. the sneeze followed by an accidental fart?

I understand your point of view, but when you negrate a person, you do start a conversation. I think it's what you do when they refuse to communicate other ways, or remain in hysterical posse mode on the forums. It's not something to use indiscriminately or on a whim out of momentary spite. Those times when it is done that way it should be reversed. But I think in the case of Ulrika, in the case of the griefer, the script bouncer, and say, some giant blocky builder who actually bars the access of your land to the water ought to get a negrate when other avenues are exhausted.

This notion that negrating is "abused" is highly subjective. Negrating exists in the system. Maybe the Lindens hoped it could be used by players for in-world policing, so they wouldn't have to get around and see all the kids stupidly griefing and respond to them, that players themselves would just use it to flag to each other, especially in the "inner circle" who was negatory.

Well, let's start that conversation now.

If you apologize for triple-neg rating me for simply expressing my thoughts, I will return the favor and apologize for making that picture. Then if you remove the neg ratings, I will stop the animation I'm working on for the hat.

From that point on we'll treat each other with respect in the forums and refrain from provoking one another from that time forward.

What do you say?

~Ulrika~

Oh I wanna see, I wanna see! Do that part first : )

I'm serious. I coexist peacefully with many people I disagree with in SL.

It's up to you.

~Ulrika~

No can do.

Go ahead with your animations. It will expose you : )

1. I didn't negrate you because I disagreed with your views. There are plenty of socialists in SL and various utopians and I just ignore them. There's room for everyone. You used your perch to campaign against classes of people, inciting hate. I think that deserves more concerted rebuttal.

2. It will do you no good to apologize for making the asshat with my avatar, because you already accomplished the damage and the image remains on the forums for the public record. It's merely your way of doing damage, and then appearing to look good afterwards in a faux-reconciliatory gesture.

3. I don't provoke people in forums, I respond to provocation in a robust manner.

4. I've never really understood Lenin's scornful "social democracy is social fascism" until now.

5. You use emotional blackmail to accomplish your goals. That's reprehensible. And your acknowledgement that you recognize the difference between respect and non-provocation and your usual mode of scorn and provocation, and that you are publicly willing to blackmail people with personally insulting pictures to get your way, well, it's golden, Ulrika.

Most blackmailers try to do something in secret so they look good externally. You're priceless.

Suit yourself, Prokofy. I sincerely offered a reconciliation with apology but if you're not big enough to accept it then so be it.

~Ulrika~

Ok, seriosly ratings arnt worth crap in SL, I strongly support the suggestion of the comment and name system, but currently if someone is to neg rate me i couldnt care less, just as if someone was to positive rate me i wouldnt care, I may return the favor in either case, but otherwise ratings have no serious impact on the game.

Humiliation isn't reconciliation. I don't care who you are, who you know, and what your oldbie or inner core status is. It's not a question of being "big". It's a question of being honest. You don't lie and suck up to somebody because they use blackmail.

Do your worst : )

Oh don't be so melodramatic, you big baby. It's just a funny hat.

~Ulrika~

Go ahead. Animate it. : )

Prok, Ulrika, I have a solution that will resolve your neg-rate debate without a doubt.

Prok, you abuse-report Ulrika for the hat/picture and Ulrika, you abuse-report Prok for the tripple-neg. See which one the Linden's respond to.

I'm serious. It will also be a good experiment to see whether the Lindens are really paying attention to the abuse reports they recieve.

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I agree that neg-rates are too easily abused and that the ratings system needs reworking but I also agree with Prok on the fact that neg ratings aren't all bad. The only neg-rate I've ever gotten was for the market I built for Anshe in Ross, from a neighbor and friend of Prok who lived next door. The person didn't neg-rate because it was a mall or because it was Anshe's, but because his land was facing an unattractive side of my build. I agreed with him, talked it over, made an effort to preaty it up somewhat and he reversed it.

This is the kind of thing Prok is trying to achive with his suggestions to neg-rate bad builds...heck, it may even have given him the idea to some extent.

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By the way, Ulrika, my chalange to a friendly debate of Kant with you in-world is still open.

Let's start a Kant thread in the off-topic forum! I'm bored with the land-baron and neg-rate threads.

We could also take it to the Thinkers forum. Jinny is always going after Kant. If you're lucky she'll see the thread and jump in on it!

~Ulrika~

Thank you Elle. You're right, that incident did give me the idea as I understand it.

I've never filed an abuse report about any allegations of abuse against me in this game or any game. The very rare times I did it in TSO was over a specific issue on behalf of others I felt should have public action.

Filling abuse reports is like runny to the net-nannies to solve your problems. It feels to much to me like informing on your neighbours to the KGB, and that is so destructive of the fabric of civil society. I believe in taking care of your own problems with the tools the game gives you, or leaving the game. I think we have plenty of tools.

I only made 2 abuse reports on this or any account. One was due to a griefer shooting and harassing someone helping me and I thought it ought to be done as the griefer kept coming around. Another time I reported the spam abuse against Anshe Chung sent to me because I felt that was something that ought to be done or the Lindens wouldn't care.

I'm not interested in playing KGB with Ulrika, whose ideology would have everybody informing on their neighbours in the name of say, flat taxing of land barons to make sure they don't benefit "unfairly" when they "exploit" "the people". Sheesh.

The Lindens get $10 for the texture upload from my avatar Ulrike used on her, er, sterling millinery. They are holding the cloak : )

Prok, $L are worthless to the Lindens themselves; they're not allowed to trade on GOM/IGE. Nor do they monitor uploads. Unless Jeska happens to be reading this thread (and she doesn't read every thread, as far as I know), they don't know anything about this situation.



Abuse Reports are an in-game tool as much as neg-rates are. As someone who used to deal with the admin end of abuse reports in another game, I understand their importance. The staff of a game has an obligation to stick to their own TOS and they can't act upon problems without people telling them what's going on.

I'm proposing this as a public experiment, not a sneeky run-around-behind-the-other-person's-back retaliation tactic., not as revenge of any sort, but to publicly proove a point. Do you (both of you) think your position is firm enough that you would accept this chalange?

And Prok, about comparing the Lindens to the KGB...you really have been jaded by the Stratics mods, haven't ya?

Thinkers forum it is. After you, as I need the remainder of my brainpower tonight to study for a computer certification I'm taking in a coupple weeks. A good start would be a re-itteration of the reasons you liked Kant from the thread in which I originaly chalanged you (a search for my name and "Kant" ought to bring it up).

Sounds like a plan. I'll start it in a day or so as I need to get some rest myself tonight. I was up until 3:15 am last night talking with Janaui Wu about land barons.

He's one bright guy!

~Ulrika~

It's not necessary. I never intended to leave the image up permanently as it's just not the right thing to do. I have removed it.

I would also like to apologize to Prokofy. I am sincerely sorry I used your forum image to try and teach you a lesson. I know now that regardless how upset I may have been by being triple neg rated, it's no excuse for posting that picture.

Good night all.

~Ulrika~

The bit about the $10 upload is metaphorical. Of course they don't monitor a zillion transactions like that. I actually find it hard to believe that the Lindens merely burn all those $10, however, as so many believe and claim. I do wonder about it, precisely because we really have no proof, and no form of checks or balances or impartial review, to prevent any kind of abuse of that system of supposed "burned" $10 uploads. Geez, if I were a clever summer intern at Lindens, I'd try to figure out how to pass some of the lucre from the $10 uploads "burn" account my way, to go cash in on GOM lol. We have absolutely no way of monitoring this as the public. It also seems silly of the Lindens to burn good hard money that way. Yes, it's not their game script that they churn out on printing presses. It's my hard-earned money turned into Lindens on GOM that I pay them to upload textures that strain their server. They're always cranking about server problems -- geez, use some of these $10 lucre uploads to get better servers!



No, I don't think the Lindens are anything like the KGB. Believe me, I know the difference between a game company and institutions that killed my relatives.



I'm absolutely confident that my position is airtight, that triple negrating even after a disagreement on the forums due to vociferous personal attacks and incitement to hatred, is perfectly legal and not actionable.

I'm going to refrain on commenting on whether publishing humiliating pictures with someone's avatar in an asshat constitutes a TOS violation. I just don't know the Linden culture and their trends in implementing their TOS to understand this. I would hope that they've have more time to fix their game and make it work than they would to troll the forum boards looking for trouble. Asshats come and go, posts get buried, the damage has been done anyway and it is hardly enough for me to run crying from the sandbox LOL.

I'll wager that the Linden forum nannies will do nothing and will feign lack of knowledge because no one complained (usual excuse of game companies). That's because they don't like it when their feted inner elite is challenged, I guess LOL. Or they just don't like people to be too "negative" because they want the atmosphere to be "nice" to sell more games. Perhaps they're even passing the print-out around the men's room now laughing among themselves saying "That SOB got *his* ROFL.* I'm a minor invester in their game and incubated ducklings and ugly geese are more valuable LOL.

Allthough we do find the recent assumptions about inworld economy very much amusing, this thread was twisted the original topic into something that belongs in another forum. Therefore, it will be closed down.

Prokofy,

<<Perhaps they're even passing the print-out around the men's room now laughing among themselves saying "That SOB got *his* ROFL.*>>

Do you really imagine they have the slightest interest whatever in you?

The day I start imagining that the Lindens are discussing me will be the day I hang up my av and leave for good, because I will know that sl is having a bad effect on me.

I pos rate people if they deserve such a rating. Triple pos ratings just for the hell of it are stupid.