Unfairly neg rated

Behold, this is exactly what happens all the time - someone gets upset about negative ratings, a bunch of people say "negative ratings are meaningless", then the thread goes to hell. Remove the damn things already, they are pointless and only end up causing conflict.

Far as I've been able to tell, the only ratings abuse that Lindens recognize are coordinated abuse attacks; Either when a user neg-rates with multiple accounts against another, or when 2 or more people PROVABLY coordinate to negrate someone. Like, if someone posted in a forum that "Hey, I can't stand this person. Let's get together and negrate bomb them!"

man...classic....

It doesnt matter how nice you are...how hard you try and if you use the rate system as intended....doesnt mean others will too. The nicest people get negitive rates....consider this one of many rights of passage of being a second life community member....and know that many have under went this passage before you....AND I KNIGHT THEE.....sprinkles some glowing substance over your head.....GO FORTH WITHOUT FEAR AND WORRY...

WE FEEL YOUR PAIN....heh

It was me. I triple neg rated you because you hang out with those Cartel hooligans.

I rarely look at anyone's received Negs. I do, however, look at their given Negs. That tells me a lot more about a person than received does.

What she said. Looking at GIVEN ratings means so much more to me than ratings received. Positive or Negative.

Thanks. It's good to remove images after the damage is done so you don't look TOO bad for having done a thing like that LOL.

Thanks for the apology. In return I will reverse the negrate of your building because your building is OK, even if not to my tastes, you shouldn't get a triple including building just due to forum behavior.

Selador, of course not. It was just a joke. Using hyperbole. Geez, the day that the Lindens print out an asshat picture from the forums and pass it around in the men's room is the day I'll REALLY be afraid that they aren't fixing their oft-broken game.

Agreed - I logged in a few weeks ago to see that someone triple neg rated me.
To my knowledge I've never even been in the same room as this person.

I've IM'ed this individual two or three times and have not gotten a response ever, though I've seen them online.

So I chaulk it up to something no different then getting a random middle finger on the freeway. What are you gonna do?

Prokofy,

<<Geez, the day that the Lindens print out an asshat picture from the forums and pass it around in the men's room is the day I'll REALLY be afraid that they aren't fixing their oft-broken game.>>

Thinking about it, that would explain a lot.

I, for one, don't even look at anybody's rating.

Ulrika,

You are so wrong.

*THIS* is an asshat:

I've always known you were the biggest asshat Toast and now you're finally admitting it.

OK, in the spirit of Christmas I gave Ulrika's three posrates instead of just one, undoing her negrates, because she was big enough to apologize on the forum.



Toast has made a new t-shirt that says "My asshat can fuck itself. Can yours?" LOL

Ha ha! I love it.

~Ulrika~

Why thank you so much, Prokofy! That was a very unexpected and kind thing for you to do.

I'll return the favor the next time I'm in world. You've earned it.

~Ulrika~

The Lindens are extremely serious about ensuring no employee abuses their position to exchange L$s for US$s. It is a condition of employment that no employee's alt (non-Linden) avatars may do this with their in-game money. Any "clever summer intern" that tried such an act would be summarily dismissed and the financial transaction reversed.

Also, it is not good, hard money. It is their game script that churns out L$s. All the L$s you buy on GOM were originally produced by LL, and are now being sold by others who acquired them in-game. Although LL encourages GOM and IGE transactions, they are not, and will not be in the market of selling L$s directly for US$s themselves. If they wanted to do this, they would just do it directly, and would have no need to use a third party service to do so. The introduction and extraction of L$s in the economy is carefully balanced and monitored, as explained by Philip during his economic townhall.

I believe the above two paragraphs 100%. I have visited the offices of Linden Lab in person and spoken to several Lindens there. They are not a large, faceless company with employees who could do this and stay below the radar. To even suggest this is happening seems more than a little paranoid.

Lisse, maybe another thread should be started on all these topics not related to negrating, but I really don't have the energy to douse all the flames that occur when you question anything about everybody's favorite game company. We're just different people, is all. You have love and respect for your favorite game company for all kinds of reasons, most unknown to me. I am more inclined to ask questions about my favorite game company because any large institution, especially one with pretentions of laying the groundwork for, or even taking over, the metaverse, should be asked basic, ordinary accountability questions by the public.



All those are standard policies for any company. But there is a special situation here -- a large amount of (so far untaxed) currency on the (largely unregulated) Internet. It's not good enough just to have internal company policies to prevent abuse -- the public has to know what are the checks and balances that *they* have to *know* these things don't occur. Do the Lindens regularly conduct internal sweeps? Do they submit to third-party inspectors? Are there any kind of accountability bodies with player participation? People would ask these questions about say, a garment manufactorer operating overseas and boycott them if they ran a sweatshop -- why can't we ask these questions of an entertainment company?



Well we differ on this assessment. It is good, hard money once it begins to be backed up in the real world -- that's what is fascinating about it as a product, not unlike a pet rock, that appears to make scads of money out of something that really isn't visible immediately as a product. The Linden acquires more value as time goes on in that sense (as more people come to have faith in it) and the burning of large amounts of currency in any economic system doesn't make sense when that currency isn't physically worn out or is inflationary, say, in a setting of very controlled currencies.




But that's not true. Each time they sell a game subscription, they sell an amount of between $250 and $1000 Lindens. The price of the Linden is actually fixed at 1000 per $9.95 and GOM, IGE and ebay sell it at far below that cost.



Do you mean the one held a few weeks ago? But there are so many questions left unanswered.


You could have visited the offices of Enron and talked to several nice people there, too, but never known anything about certain scandal-ridden parts of it. In any system, the public needs checks and balances that prevent the abuse of power. That isn't paranoia, that's democracy.

Yes Prok, you poor poor selfless martyr you. *yawn*

Huh? The L$ only has value in that its designed as a limiter on the rate of use of system resources, nothing more. The only limit to the supply is how quickly the software running Second Life increments the L$ counters on everyone's account. L$ comes out of thin air, because it's just a couple bits being flipped by a computer; it corresponds to no real-world value, except that which has been created by other players.

When you spend L$ in world, to upload a texture/sound/whatever (ie not paying another player), it simply vanishes; your total goes down, but there's no 'bank' or 'pool' that accumulates what you spent, it simply goes away. Why would it do anything else?

OBneg-rate: I'm triple-negging everyone in this thread.

RL money is *just like that too*. It's bits of metal in a federal reserve to which human beings have assigned "value".



How do you know? And why would any enterprise destroy something that people pay for, when they could use it to buy new servers?

That actually made me laugh. I don't mean a "lol"... I mean I actually laughed! I'm not saying LL isn't a decent company, it's just funny that someone would think just because people they met are nice, that the company isn't "large and faceless". Even if you signed an NDA when there, that doesn't mean they're obligated to tell you every dark secret they have. Even with an NDA of course they'll only talk to you and tell you about good things.

As far as negative rating goes, I posted my thought in another thread, no need to repeat it here.

Actually, I don't think anybody still uses the gold standard anymore. But true enough, money is basically just 'barter counters', only it seems to have taken on this weird life of its own.



Well, I don't think my local computer shop is going to sell me anything if I offer to pay in L$... I still believe what I say, though... L$ was originally implemented as a means of managing resource use. When we spend it to use system resources, it just goes away. Why wouldn't it? It's a completely arbitrary value. They click a button, and a billion L$ comes out of nowhere. They don't need to stockpile the stuff, since it doesn't even exist.

I daresay, now that there's a player economy rolling along now, they'll probably take care not to totally flood the market with L$, otherwise it would tank... but they wouldn't do that anyway, otherwise the asset server would have even bigger fits once everyone stuffed it to the brim with textures and sounds and animations and and and...

Whooboy, are we off topic now...

Okay, let me clarify.

They are not large. They fit into one large room. There are no more than thirty of them.

They are not faceless. They have faces, individual personalities, and were happy to have their photos taken.

I did not expect them to talk about every dark secret they have. However, I am 100% confident that selling L$s "on the side" through IGE or GOM, when they have explicitly and repeatedly said this is forbidden for LL or any employee of LL, is not happening.

Neither is the US dollar.

We're just living off the weakness of the rest of the world's currencies.

The fed can essentially "print" as much USD as they want.

*way off topic but interesting*

(actually, the thing that keeps $L relatively stable are the auctions in USD - it acts as a sinkhole for excess $L)