So you thought the witch hunt was over?

I personally think Pathfinder should be brought to book about this - if the Lindens don't respect their own rules, then what hope for the rest of us? None of what I'm saying is baiting - I'm saying that Pathfinder crossed the Linden's own line and as one of the people policing the community, I find that concerning.

Aye. I think most of us waffle around and try to figure out if they'll notice the post or not. Would help if they were more specific about stuff in that sense.

So is this a witch hunt to burn Pathfinder at the stake now? I saw nothing in the post that Pathfinder violated anyones privacy rights, especially Prok's. Prok wants a reaction, and he got one.

Cut the guy some slack, he has a difficult job. Unless everyone has been living under a rock the past few months, it's pretty damn obvious Prok has been grieving these forums and grieving avatars in game as result with his own brand of harrasment and bigotry. Don't think for one second that this all spurs from an isolated incident or single abuse report. It has been a pattern of outrageous behavior and has made a sham of discourse between reasonable people.

Sure, there are other trolls around here, but pale when compared to the egregious behavior we've seen from the Prokster.

Whats worse, Prok's alts continue obsessively posting here, so all this whining about Prok being a victim is hogwash.

I see Pathfinder discussing a dilemma, and urging people to not get into fights with Prokofy. This shouldn't suprise anyone, as anyone with some insight to the situation should realize the dilemma. urging people not to argue with prokofy is hardly conspiratorial, nor is stating the obvious, that this is indeed and issue LL has to figure out how to deal with, a conflict of interest.

He states what his personal preference would be with regard to Prokofy, but never discusses any LL plan.

As far as the suspension goes, it's all really moot, because Prokofy is still posting under Random, which he has freely admitted.

I see Pathfinder discussing a dilemma, and urging people to not get into fights with Prokofy. This shouldn't suprise anyone, as anyone with some insight to the situation should realize the dilemma. urging people not to argue with prokofy is hardly conspiratorial, nor is stating the obvious, that this is indeed and issue LL has to figure out how to deal with, a conflict of interest.

He states what his personal preference would be with regard to Prokofy, but never discusses any LL plan.

As far as the suspension goes, it's all really moot, because Prokofy is still posting under Random, which he has freely admitted.

I am sick of Prokofy. I am sick of people defending Prokofy. I am sick of fighting Prokofy lies and ignorance (and don't say Prokofy hasn’t lied because Prokofy has lied to and about me and harassed Me. and the IP/IPS thing speaks for itself). I am sick of what Prokofy is doing to a great community. Prokofy and is like a cancer that needs to be cut. It is amazing that Prokofy can instult the whole community with his Tekkie Wiki (I have been a Techie Nerd since I was 7!, thanks for insulting my persona and lifestyle) and FIC bullshit, and just get away with it? How is that possibly acceptable? Under any circumstances? It is the bigotry and prejudice and it is disgusting and anyone who continues to defend Prokofy and Prokofy's divisive and evil tactics is just as guilty of the bigotry as Prokofy. So yes, now I am calling you a Bigot, wear the badge with pride.

And Cocoanut before I put you on ignore. You can do a search and see what Prokofy is guilty of; it is well document in forums. Prokofy harassed me in world, threatened me with blackmail for not lowering my land price to the price he wanted to pay, accused me of land sharking which was not true, and then trolled me and harassed me in forums and the final straw was telling me that I needed to be taken down peg and insulting my name, which had no reference to the conversation at hand. Prokofy is no Saint and is perhaps the biggest forum sinner I have ever known on the internet, on every single other forum I am on Prokofy would have been IP (note, not IPS) banned long long ago.

Prokofy deserves whatever Prokofy gets, and I hope it’s the Linden Labs Electric Chair.



I am putting Prokofy and all of his little bigoted supporters on ignore and going back to me peaceful happy pre- Prokofy Secondlife.

I see Pathfinder discussing a dilemma, and urging people to not get into fights with Prokofy. This shouldn't suprise anyone, as anyone with some insight to the situation should realize the dilemma. Urging people not to argue with Prokofy is hardly conspiratorial, nor is stating the obvious, that this is indeed an issue LL has to figure out how to deal with, a conflict of interest.

He states what his personal preference would be with regard to Prokofy, but never discusses any LL plan, other than a tightening of the rules for all.

As far as the suspension goes, it's all really moot, because Prokofy is still posting under Random, which he has freely admitted. by the way Coco, I don't think it's quantity of reports. I think that LL has been thinking about this issue before people started reporting Prokofy back. You DO remember that many, many times Prokofy stated he was reporting a post, and then triple negging that person, right?

Moopf, I am NOT supporting what Pathfinder has discussed, like I am NOT supporting what Prokofy says or thinks.

But c'mon, this thread was put here for the sole purpose of bashing Pathfinder.

I reiterate:

Two Wrongs Do NOT Make A Right. The sooner ppl realise that the god damn better.

These forums lately are nothing short of a vicious pit of snakes. I for one am tired of it, goddamn it at least when I trolled my posts were short and kyoot!

I wonder if some ppl in this fourm would change their minds if it was their name mentioned by a LL employee to other SLers.

For me it comes down to disrespect for the client. As a paying customer I don't expect to over hear employees discussing me or the status of any part of my account, in any way shape or form. It doesn't matter who was discussed, or why. It should not of been done.

Cat

PS. THIS GOES FOR ANY LL EMPLOYEE

The Lindens have always made it clear that they do not discuss discipline matters publicly. Pathfinder clearly did that.



That's irrelevent. Pathfinder is a Linden and should be holding up the Linden rules, not lowering himself and breaking those.



I do hope you're not terming me an alt here? I haven't said Prokofy is the victim, I've said that Pathfinder's actions break LL's own rules. Rules that they've sat behind stoicly for a long long time.

If I did the crime, I'd do the time.

I'd much rather KNOW what was being said about me, than blindly going around thinking I was the bees knees, might take me down a peg or two.

Sure it IS really about privacy and being a paying customer, but I am sure Phillip will have Pathfinder over his knee in no time and using a damn large prim slipper on him.

If my name was mentioned by an LL employee as a problem child, I would evaluate my behavior rather than blame everyone around me.

i agree with cat and moopf
and i think llpath knew better:
<LLPATH>but....you didn't hear that from me (say no more)

social systems are built on trust, and when the one enforcing the rules can't be trusted to follow their own rules...

I've just sat on my chair and re-read the log file twice.

From the looks of things, Pathfinder was explaining that Prokofy could not be banned simply because he is not crossing TOS. Pathfinder explained that Prokofy is the type of a griefer who makes other people cross the TOS and get themselves banned. During that entire conversation, Pathfinder have said nothing that we did not know or could have not guessed ourselves, using simple logical deduction.

Pathfinder was asking people to, and i'm making this bold for your reading convienece, stay out of trouble.

If Pathfinder had any indication that he does not like Prokofy, that is his personal opinion and it had nothing to do with the final decision in the part of Linden Lab to ban the troll's ass.

Pathfinder have done nothing wrong.

Non of the IRC chatters have done anything wrong, either.

Granted. People joked on Prok's expense. This could have something to do with the fact that people hate the gal's guts, and for a good reason.

I'm sorry Coco, but your post is a paranoid blame-trower, basicly designed to stir some trouble.

Get over it.

When that client makes insinuations comparing your company to Stalinist Russia, and a part of the company to the KGB, as well as driving a BIG ASS stake through the heart of the community that you conceived and toiled to create, how would you feel Cat?

How would you react?

Has anyone got any proof that LLPATH was actually Pathfinder.... Are you SURE..

(yes I have a large spoon and I am using it, plus I never use IRC and don't understand how it works)

... actually, we have no proof of that in the chatlog, no.

i agree nolan

Well I'm gonna assume that no player would log on and talk yawn "policy" with other players except a LL employee.

So Palthfinder was it you?

Are you sure? I mean there are alot of trouble makers out there, that don't like Pathfinder...

I'm not saying it wasn't him, I just wanted you all to be sure before you start slinging more mud.

Uhhh... can someone point out to me two things...

1. Where Pathfinder ever divulged anything that could not be personal opinion formulated by reading Prok's threads.

2. How Pathfinder said something that could not be considered personal opinion.

In my opinion, from reading the IRC log, there was no personal or secret account information given, merely observations that could be made from reading posts.

Also, since when are Lindens not allowed to have opinions about people?

The only reason this is coming up is because the posting of the log (which linking too is questionable, and passing around Notecards is against TOS since SL TOS requires you to get permission from the party before doing such things) coincided with a suspension.

Linden Lab is also a private company and has proved before it does not need to provide explination or warrant any reason to ban an account.

If anyone is banned souly because LL does not like them, while it may not be "good business", they are by law fully allowed to do so. I'm not saying thats what happened here, I do not know, but, if they wanted to, they can.

I think the whole thing is rather childish, since we're basicly arguing over if its wrong or not to have opinions and to talk about those opinions with other people. GASP! Once again this issue comes about, and its silly.

People express their opinion about other people on this forum all the time, and if any of the involved parties are suddenly suspended, it's usualy not labled because of a Lindens opinion about that person.

I don't really get what exactly the issue is here anyway, someone want to point it out to me in big bold letters? I'd much appreciate it.

Edit: And Willow has a great point. Often Lindens are impersonated on IRC, its not against the TOS, but it is frowned upon and will get you kicked out, thats not to say that one of the moderators didn't notice.

My forum warning was public. As a matter of fact the severity of my punishment was discussed retrospectively by a Linden, Prokofy, and others.

I have seen other warnings and threats of specific discipline discussed in public as well.

From the looks of the log, it doesnt matter.

I am pretty certain that you are aware that the policy of LindenLab is to avoid banning you unless actually break the TOS in some manner. That was all that Pathfinder stated. No rule have been broken, no secrets have been shared.

I do not see a problem in this situation.

Well, all I know is that I better clean up my act or Pathfinder is going to go onto IRC and gossip with his IRC buddies about me.

Your making me not cute Blaze...