Government Comes to SL

I respect that Isis! I would never force you to do anything and support your right to not participate in government completely.

Like Pendari said, this is just a progress report on the state of politics within the Neualtenburg Projekt (and my chance to roll around in political discussions like a little piggy).

~Ulrika~

Joining the group and city is voluntary. How is that forced? Have you read any of the documents about the group? It is quite amazing the detail this group has gone to already in this experiment. If you (Hiro or anyone) have not read about it yet, you should. I honestly think you don't know quite what you are fighting Hiro.

My point of contention, Ulrika, is that you seem to be presenting this as some global solution. There will never be one in Second Life. Period. That's like claiming the Internet will have a government.

As a regional solution, that's a different story. But that's not what you've been saying.

Governments are already in SL, yours is another flavor, and like all others, they are all regional solutions to regional problems.

You enjoy doing this entirely too much!! LOL

Then it did not need a new thread. It should have been kept to the Nutellaburg (sorry, I seriously can NOT learn to spell it! LOL) group forum. I will now report it to be move there, thanks.

Please do explain further as I am of inferior intellect to you psuedo political types...I may need a buffer course in logic. How exactly is it a faulty analogy in logical terms...for just deeming something a faulty analogy is an easy gig..but proving it is much harder and if you do then I will move on to greener and duller pasteurs...I was not however discrediting your move towards a government...only saying that the people of SL already have a government which works fairly well and that more government will only prove to hinder the progress of this small society.

Because Ulrika is presenting it as a global solution to SL. "Government comes to SL", remember?

Understood, I have the tendency to read into things what is there, though I am not as profound in my statements as you or the others contributing to the thread from what I read you meant this to be an SL wide doctrine.

So I am not the only one who read that into the article....

I see nothing in her statement that is contradictory.

Excuse me while I go let Baccara know that she posted in the wrong place when she and her wonderful group brought Neverland to SL. Oh, and let me go blast Hank for talking about City Sims of the Future. And by the way, did you know there was a Depression going on in SL now too? Oh, and a Mall just changed hands. I'm sorry Hiro, but I fail to see how this is any different than a number of other threads on this forum. It honestly feels like you are picking a personal fight here.

This should actually stay here in the General forum as it reports the status on a project, creating a formalized government in SL, to all people in SL. This was the subject of an enormous thread a few months ago, after Robin asked us if we were interested in government.

If you have any more questions, you're also welcome to post them to the thread in our group forum as well. We're always interested in people's opinions.

~Ulrika~

man is inherently speaking and political. public life seperates man from animals. that is the foundation of western philosophy as i know it.

just wanted to chime in why i think this is a fun idea.

Well obviously. Can you respond to my post and say why?

1. Neverland, City Sims of Future, et al - No, she posted in the right place. She introduced Neverland. It's great to introduce new sims to SL, but Nutellaburg has been announced already and discussed, and subsequent posts about it should be either in the group forum, or elsewhere when applicable. (events, et al)
2. Depression - LOL that has been so so so so so over-spammed in the forums that Linden Lab actually made a new forum for it!
3. The Mall - That thread didn't belong in the forum either. What does that have to do with this thread? Nothing.
4. Other mis-placed threads - I've noted them as I've seen them. There's no favoritism. I just like to see my forums not a mess, yannow? Order? Abiding by the rules? LOL Oh, the irony of saying I'm anti-government and me pointing out forum rules not being adhered to is somehow proof, LOL.
5. Picking a fight -
Don't get me wrong, I think Nutellaburg is really cool. I just don't like it being touted as if SL was devoid of government, and now suddenly we're entering the Golden Age because of it. Get real. It's just another form of government, and hopefully it'll be successful. I wish Nutellaburg all the best luck!

Pendari, I respect both you and Ulrika... breathe

I think I've said this before, I'll say it again, drama sucks and hurts innocents, government built around a rigid party based system and rigid job asignments is a strong drama, only stronger are celebs, but they have to start popular to get the drama. Gotta love overdone organization, it's just a pure drama pot for those that seek it.

Oh and nice job on your little neighborhood.

Ulrika, that was COMPLETELY SHOT DOWN by the SL community. There were protests, you remember?

Until the SL community wants it, please keep your experiments in the appropriate forums. Please don't tout them as a global solution that overwhelming majority of players feel should NOT be made global.

SL can have a multitude of communities with thier own independant social contracts. any government isn't for all of SL. it's for those that want to buy into it. with all peoplehood there is a boundary that defines it.

the sl community didn't shoot down government. we shot down one overarching government for all players.

Yes, well stated.

Hmm...

SL's first phile?

To simply say "no" would bring me great immediate satisfaction, but a totally insufficient explanation of how that has nothing to do with this topic and a gratuitous Metaverse nod by mentioning Stephenson, or how the philes are totally different from having an all-encompassing government, or how there have been plenty of small government systems in SL before this, or ... *breathes in and out slowly* ... eh ...

no.

I thought it was "phyle"?

When I came to SL, one of the first groups I thought was a phyle were the Tribal Drummers -- with some similarities to a certain group of, well, Drummers in The Diamond Age. I suspect now with the new sims and some totems with art allegedly taken from Stanley Park (yay!), that link is further solidifed.

There are certainly groups inworld that self-govern with principles and charters and mission statements and whatnot but what Ulrika is doing here is very elaborate and comprehensive, and fits like a glove with Neualtenburg. It has context.

Nothing to do with this topic? Seems that by attmepting to create a goverened community within SL for the sake of the betterment of the members of that community is exactly on topic.
Not a gratuitous nod, just an interesting, though merely potential, coincidental development.
Philes not being like all-encompasing government? I'm aware of that, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Though Ulrika belives her government idea would work SL-wide, I don't see that it's being offerd as such at this point and therefore that's irrelevant to my question.
There have been other situations and groups you could hang the government tag on if you wanted to, but this is the first I've seen being wrought specifically to that end.
So, I have to answer my own question with "Maybe".

Gotcha

"Government comes to SL"
The title does say it all, no?

Yeah, that's what I find scary. Need should give rise government, not vice versa.

God save the Queen?

No. I can parse that either way, really. To govern SL or to exist within SL.
Yes, need should give rise to government. And it is probably best if need were the only motive to create or change government. However, I don't know that it's nessesarily scary to create government for it's own sake. Especially when being goverened is voluntary.

Oh, understood. But either way... it's not "coming" to SL. It's been here since Beta.