Government Comes to SL

(not read the rest).

Ulrika, when you're up and running you might want to suggest to people that those keen on using your dispute resolution services put in their info

"I am a trustworthy member of SL - I agree to submit to the decision of (whatever the govt is called) Dispute Resolution thingy".. or something.

So if two people have a problem with each other, one can call upon the other's agreement to be beholden to the dispute resolution method.. and then there would be a hearing.. and the participants would feel compelled to abide by the rules or face public humiliation for having agreed to abide by the decisions but then renegging.

A way of spreading your government world wide and providing a service.

Funky huh?

PC

Blaze --see my response to your thread. Nolan -- It is not the intention of the Neualtenburg Projekt to install an SL wide governmental system. It IS our aim to make Neualtenburg a self sufficient city-state which if successful could very well inspire similar experiments. Nobody is insisting on forcing anything down anyone's throat, soeaking for myself as head of the Artist's Guild in Neualtenburg, I'm looking for a system which places more power in the hands of the creator rather than the land owner.

Very interesting idea, Pirate --sort of like "People's Court" for Avatars

Doesn't matter. They should have a firewall between you and them. Any involvement whatsoever by Linden labs is a bad idea.

This is a big big mistake, and truthfully, is setting back the process of setting up governments rather than moving it forward.

Then you are saying that the Lindens should sponsor no content within the game? If so beautiful works such as Neverland might not exist.

They shouldn't sponsor governments. Last time I check my dictionary, the definition of government and content differed.

I personally think Blaze's opinion stems from a fundimental misunderstanding of what a social democratic government is. This isn't a system to rule the people. This IS the people.

How?

Content is content period. Whether it be a trailer park, a strip club, a themed place, or a government themed place. You still havent read up on the project have you?

Right - so the right to kill does not cross to SL. Perhaps a better example would be "I give up my right to build a strip club in this elf neighborhood, and in return I am protected from having a strip club next to my elf treehouse."

I will agree that there is no need to *have* a government in SL, however that does not mean a government can not be benificial to some. If Urlika wants to take over the world with her constitution firmly in hand, she is welcome to try - SL has always been a home to wanna-be evil geniuses bent on world domination.




I totally agree with you. I will be fighting tooth and nail against anyone having to participate in a player run government involentarily. I don't know if I will pack up shop - I will probably burn it, and try out some of this 4th gen warfare in a virtual world. That being said, I am all for people nationbuilding as long as it is voluntary.

bbc

I love posts like this! Four serial opinions without the requisite supporting reason. That should be the scientific definition of trolling.

~Ulrika~

P.S. - Pirate, your idea is brilliant!

You do realize this is just a plan of Ulrika's to increase sales on her protest signs, right?
Go get'em while they're hot! At Ulrika's Werkstadt in Seefeld!

Ha ha! Beat me to it. It's a funny coincidence but I sold 50 the other day for an upcoming concert.

~Ulrika~

I did post the reason (though I was pretty sure it was self-evident) elsewhere. The sense of entitlement that folks get when they think their 'government' is blessed leads to people in game shoving their status down the throats of others.

If they are merely sponsoring the creation of prims and objects in world, then I think it sounds like a great idea. If they are sponsoring you to do dispute resolution, then I think it's a big mistake and will push back real efforts to create successful governments in SL.

My suggestion: If they are 'sponsoring you' .. to keep that quiet and let your government gain popularity on its own steam. Mentioning that as a reason for anything (even just posting in the main forum) is a fundamental mistake.

Talk about your government because it's a cool idea. Not because it's mandated from up above.

lil bit off topic but i think these forums are like people's exhibit A that public humiliation isn't effective.

Again, you provide your opinion but don't support it with a logical argument. Let me demonstrate for future posts:
Why is sponsoring the creation of prims a great idea but dispute resolution is not? Further how logically would the sponsoring of dispute resolution "push back real efforts"?

Your logical answers to those questions are what's missing from your opinions. It's like a bone with no meat. It's like a plane without wings. It's like a cat without fur.

I'd go so far as to say one of them is even self contradictory. You state "dispute resolution ... will push back real efforts to create successful governments in SL." By definition a codified method of dispute resolution is a real effort to create a successful government in SL. You're so funny.


Anyway, I think this thread has run its course. If anyone is interested in joining in on this experiment, we welcome you. Remember, it's not so much about the government as it is working with so many wonderful people to create one. It's just one more aspect to an already fascinating world.

~Ulrika~

I've made my argument a couple of times, but let's try this:

a) If linden sponsored government, then sponsored government become egomaniacal
b) egomanical government are bad for SL
c) therefore linden sponsoring government -> bad for SL

You'll probably contest that assumption a is a bit of a leap. I'll have a hard time proving that logically, I'm afraid.. it's something I have discovered by observation rather than via a mathematical calculus..

(that was Modus Ponendo Ponens (MPP) btw, for futher information you can refer to http://www.informatik.htw-dresden.de/~logic/conclusions/rule7.html)

Many of you will be surprised to know that I recently decided to be a part of this project. Politically I am the polar opposite of Ulrika and Kendra and do not believe that a game-wide government is in the best interest of SL or that it will even work. However I am extremely interested in politics and within the context of the city of Neualtenburg I think that a government experiment is a very interesting idea worthy of exploring. I don’t necessarily agree with everything Ulrika has laid out in her proposal but it is a good starting place and it is my hope that it will evolve with participation and input from a wide range of thought.

Being that there seems to be a huge disparity in SL when it comes to conservatives vs. liberals in part my involvement will be a nice barometer to gauge whether this government will be one where liberals willing to compromise when they now have the majority. Another part of it is that I applaud Ulrika and Kendra for the work they have done so far and the opportunity to be a part of something different and new interests me. Yes, it is different and new. Maybe not the FIRST government in the eyes of some but that does not diminish its validity or potential. I am also volunteering myself because I believe it will be fun!

What do I envision this becoming? Well, I do believe that it may become something much bigger than ½ a SIM in the long run but this government will only do so if it is voluntary. I do not think anyone involved in the project is in favor of governing the citizens of SL without their voluntary cooperation. I also think that for it to succeed that it needs to be balanced with representation for all involved. If it becomes nothing more than a totally liberal or conservative dominated entity then it is doomed to fail.

Hopefully there will be more people interested in becoming involved if for nothing more than to try it out, become invested in something new and exciting and possibly make a difference for at least some SL residents. If anything the project promises to not be boring…lol.

I know there will be quite a bit of resistance to even trying this out but I ask the citizens of SL to give it a fair chance as I am doing. If you are interested then get involved, if not then wish us well and rest assured that there will not be an attempt by this group to infringe on the freedom you now enjoy in any way.

I am announcing here for the first time that I have decided to start a conservative party/faction within the project to attempt to keep all of those libs in line… hehe. I will give this unnamed unformed party a little plug here. It is subject to change but as of now the group will be called the “Right” party. Our slogan: No matter the issue, we will always be the “Right” party. If anyone is interested in joining me please let me know.

It is an honor to have you with us on the project!

~Ulrika~

Thanks Ulrika. That is very nice of you. I am looking forward to seeing how this pans out.

bwahahahah

Ha ha ha ha! Oh boy. I actually laughed out loud at work.

Best resurrection of an old thread ever.

~Ulrika~

/bows

Now I gotta go look at it in world to see how they did.

Egads.

If you haven't figured out that there are good folk and bad folk, and that it is wise to seperate the two, then I'll be dammed if I want you running my government.

- Ace