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Do you support a Grid-Wide Sales Tax to Fund Events?

Jamie Bergman
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05-11-2005 09:27
With the demise of event funding, a lot of furor has been raised about the decline in quality/quantity of events.

One main reason I believe LL cut event funding was that it was forcing them to create a LOT of new L$s, resulting in inflation (as could be seen in GOM prices at the time).

When funding was cut, GOM did indeed stabilize and go back up, but it left a lot of social-type players in the lurch as their favorite clubs/event hosts went belly up, leaving a lot of socialites without any social ammunition.

LL could solve this problem by implementing a grid-wide sales tax on all monetary sales, transfers, gifts, and purchases. They could then use the money generated from the tax to fund events. This type of tax and spend plan would not CREATE any new money in the economy, thereby sidestepping inflationary pressures.

What say you, the community about this idea? Worth merit?

Disclaimer: I own no clubs, have no interests in clubs, or in hosting events. I'm just curious to get your opinion.
Talen Morgan
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05-11-2005 09:30
Never happen. Why should those that don't care about events be charged for those that do?

Better yet why is money needed to have an event? What happened to having events that are just fun where no money is given away and no fee's payed to those that have the event?
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Jsecure Hanks
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05-11-2005 09:31
Linden labs have enough money. If anyone should support events it's them. But if they should support or not, is a whole nother debate.
Jamie Bergman
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05-11-2005 09:31
From: Talen Morgan

Better yet why is money needed to have an event? What happened to having events that are just fun where no money is given away and no fee's payed to those that have the event?


I'm not sure. A lot of event hosts say they need money to fund their club salaries, land, giveaways, etc. and current economics (no LL funding) are forcing them out of business.

I'm just curious as to if the SL community at large feels intervention by LL is necessary to "save" events.
Jamie Bergman
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05-11-2005 09:32
From: Jsecure Hanks
Linden labs have enough money. If anyone should support events it's them. But if they should support or not, is a whole nother debate.


Its not really an issue of having money or not having money... we all know LL can merely create the money if they REALLY wanted to. The reason they may not want to is inflationary pressure - this proposal would eliminate that inflationary threat.
Azazel Czukor
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Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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05-11-2005 09:33
I say nay. Paid events are not a required necessity for every person in SL, therefore I do not believe there should be a general tax to fund them.
Schwanson Schlegel
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05-11-2005 09:35
Absolutely not.
Why should I pay the winner of "The sexxaist booty contest" ?
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Akane Tokugawa
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05-11-2005 09:36
There's no reason why one particular type of business should get a subsidy, and the others don't. As for people in other sectors being harmed by a tax so that people in that one sector get a subsidy, that's a horrible idea! :(

Thanks for giving us this chance to express our opinions. Your poll is clear and succinct. :)
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Talen Morgan
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05-11-2005 09:36
From: Jamie Bergman
I'm not sure. A lot of event hosts say they need money to fund their club salaries, land, giveaways, etc. and current economics (no LL funding) are forcing them out of business.

I'm just curious as to if the SL community at large feels intervention by LL is necessary to "save" events.



Save events or save greed? The fact is no one really needs money at all....but everyone wants it and thinks they deserve it. The best events I have ever attended didn't involve money of any kind. There used to be fun events at stage 4 all the time when I first joined and a lot of them didn't revolve around winning or being payed money....they were about meeting people and helping newbs get adjusted. I keep hearing about business shutting down and people losing their jobs.....this is a game no one is hurting to pay their electric bill or make rent....and in the off chance they are...they shouldn't be playing a game.
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Tya Fallingbridge
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05-11-2005 09:39
From: Jamie Bergman
With the demise of event funding, a lot of furor has been raised about the decline in quality/quantity of events.

One main reason I believe LL cut event funding was that it was forcing them to create a LOT of new L$s, resulting in inflation (as could be seen in GOM prices at the time).

When funding was cut, GOM did indeed stabilize and go back up, but it left a lot of social-type players in the lurch as their favorite clubs/event hosts went belly up, leaving a lot of socialites without any social ammunition.

LL could solve this problem by implementing a grid-wide sales tax on all monetary sales, transfers, gifts, and purchases. They could then use the money generated from the tax to fund events. This type of tax and spend plan would not CREATE any new money in the economy, thereby sidestepping inflationary pressures.

What say you, the community about this idea? Worth merit?



I honestly think the answer to this concern is for people to start charging for events. The option is there.. why does no one use it? What is the harm in charging 5L or 10L for an event?

I really think that this is the reason why LL stopped the funding. If I were them.. I would have to when we can charge for an event. They have no hidden agenda. Use the tools that we are provided. Events are not manatory in game. Its a players choice, not LL.

Something to think about...


~Tya
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Jillian Callahan
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05-11-2005 09:41
Why are you willing to tax people but not charge for events?
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Colette Meiji
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05-11-2005 09:42
Being a social player/ clubber, I would still vote no.

It seems silly to me the mindset that you go to clubs to party and GET money is backwards.

If you work for the club , sure you can make money.

If you win a contest sure.

But everyone expects to attend all these events for free. I think its that midset thats a big problem.

If you arent working for a club but you spend tons of time in there. You should be doing something to help out, dont you think?
Jamie Bergman
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05-11-2005 09:42
From: Tya Fallingbridge
They have no hidden agenda.

~Tya


Tya, please don't get the wrong impression from me. I'm not suggesting they have a hidden agenda, I think their decision was based on logic and strategy. I'm just curious to see what people think about the "event quandary"

My Disclaimer: I own no clubs, have no interests in clubs, or in hosting events. I'm just curious to get your opinion.
Tya Fallingbridge
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05-11-2005 09:43
From: Jamie Bergman
Tya, please don't get the wrong impression from me. I'm not suggesting they have a hidden agenda, I think their decision was based on logic and strategy. I'm just curious to see what people think about the "event quandary"



Yes.. it was.. as their tag line states.. your world your imaginaton.. its them saying get off your duff and start being creative. .we are not going to hold your hand and pay your way through SL.
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Jsecure Hanks
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05-11-2005 09:44
I agree that people should not have their money taken from them to subsidise events they did not ask for and probably do not support. No person running a stash of stupid gambling events has a right to any of my money. Or 'sexiest av' events. Or dances.
Kris Ritter
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05-11-2005 09:45
Absolutely not.
ZsuZsanna Raven
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Umm no...
05-11-2005 09:46
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Absolutely not.
Why should I pay the winner of "The sexxaist booty contest" ?


I agree. If places want to charge some type of cover charge then that is on them. People shouldn't be forced to contribute to events that hold no interest to them whatsoever.
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Eboni Khan
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05-11-2005 09:49
I don't support welfare. Support your own events and stop bitching.
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Tya Fallingbridge
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05-11-2005 09:49
From: Eboni Khan
I don't support welfare. Support your own events and stop bitching.



hehe.. you made me laugh out loud at work :P
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Prokofy Neva
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05-11-2005 09:52
Jamie, if this were more of a real place, with a huge capacity for sales and advertising and really full-flowing commerce, I'd consider something like what you'd say -- keeping in mind it would likely need some kind of player-based government to implement fairly.

But since it's still a fake place, I'd say no, because we already have so many chills, and hampers, and obstacles, and outright hate campaigns against commerce in this Pinnochio-trying-to-become-a-real-boy.

I can just hear the roars of rage by people hating the idea of being clipped in order to support somebody's Tringo habit LOL.

We need better tools to charge admissions.
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Aimee Weber
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05-11-2005 09:52
I would not support an event tax.

However I would gladly pay an admission fee for any event that is creative and original enough to motivate me into attendance.
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Kris Ritter
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05-11-2005 09:53
From: Aimee Weber
I would not support an event tax.

However I would gladly pay an admission fee for any event that is creative and original enough to motivate me into attendance.


ditto
Malachi Petunia
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05-11-2005 09:55
Sales taxes? Just too gamable; you would simply push larger sales into the black (untaxable) market. Oh, okay, you "give" me boat, and I "give" you $L20k *wink*. Regardless of the merit of the idea, we don't need the inevitable creation of a black-market.
Zuzi Martinez
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05-11-2005 09:55
forget pie.....where's the Fuck No option?
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I'm not sure. A lot of event hosts say they need money to fund their club salaries, land, giveaways, etc. and current economics (no LL funding) are forcing them out of business.

where i'm from (the real world) that means their business sucks and they should go out of business. :D
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Jonquille Noir
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05-11-2005 09:56
No.

I'll donate to things I find worth it, and others can do the same, and if no one donates to an event, there's a message in that.
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