Anti united states and pro terrorism.

Your living in the wrong country Kendra.. Your fellow Socialist are holding rallys in Cuba and North Korea.. I suggest you pop in for a visit. Cause last I checked, those countries who used to be Socialist are turning into Capitalist. I suggest you go plug the leaks before your buddies are converted to the "Right" side. lol

Former Socialist Countries who are Converting to Capitalism:
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East Germany
Poland]
Czech Republic
Hungary
Slovakia
Albania
Romania
Bulgaria
Lithuania
Latvia
Estonia
Kazakhstan
Turkmenistan
Kyrgizia
Uzbekistan.
China
Mongolia
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia

No. Unlike you, I believe in FREE SPEECH and EQUAL RIGHTS.

I belong in the United States. Do you?

Thats funny. Your fellow Socialist in North Korea don't seem to agree with that... Seems like your at a crossroads. You support Socialism but enjoy living in a Capitalist Society. You must not be a party official. Because this is the view of Socialism in my book. Did I miss something? Funny how you can love Socialism and Freedom at the same time. You must have split personalities..

Maybe I make too many distinctions, but just like the president is not the country, the troops are not the war. Support the troops, not the war. Don't know what that means? thank a soldier for doing a hard job and fight to bring them home from a war they shouldn't be fighting. And don't treat them as lepers when they do come home. They might make you uncomfortable because they chose to join the military and then follow orders but they're still people. Different, but people. You'd never get me to run toward the bullets, no matter how much training I had.

My thoughts exactly Rick! I wanna slap a sticker beneath every yellow Support our Troops sticker that says, "Bring them home NOW!"

Spending our blood and treasure on people that don't give two shits about American ways of life... ehh go figure.

Because, you know, every country that calls itself socialist is really socialist. Just like every country that calls itself a democracy is really a democracy. am i rite?

too rite!

There are only two examples of a Socialist Country today (Cuba and North Korea). Which is the more Socialist? Or is there some form of Socialism that I'm missing, which is the ideal example of Utopia?

Help me understand the appeal of Socialism and its values. Because the examples do not match the rhetoric.

Our soliders have pledged to go where we send them and fight for America, they are not afforded the luxury of having an opinion about where they go or what they are sent to do. When they enter into the US Military they have a contract and they honor that contract.

To treat them as less than honorable because we don't agree with the war is like punishing a child for his parents behaviour. WE [American Citizens] pay them with our tax dollars and WE elected the people directing their activities.

If you don't agree with the war then show it through your vote and with your actions toward your elected leaders - maligning the men and women who risk their lives to honor their contract with the United States of America, is akin to crapping where you eat. What will you do next time when America really does have to defend herself? Who then will come to her defense?

Well said Rose thank you !

There are many -- My preference of Socialist Countries, however, is Sweden.

Couldn't agree more

Sorry Alby. Neither of those two countries are Socialist.

Canada, Sweden and Britain are actually all FAR more socialist in their domestic policies IN MANY WAYS than Cuba and N. Korea. Cuba and N. Korea are COUMMUNIST countries.

An oft-misunderstood point.

Nope.. Hank. Are you drunk while you are posting again?

They died carrying out the orders of those appointed above them - as they swore to do. I will wager that not a single one of them ever considered "this is Bush's War and I am going to go fight/die for it". Your labelling of the war as unjust is as empty as my attempt to read any logic into what you posted.

What IS perfect freedom? Where does your freedom to act stop and my freedom from intrusion by you and your actions begin?

Korg:

You are correct, since in Cuba and North Korea, there is a proletariat dictatorship. So in theory, the road of Socialism leads to Communism or Fascism. Both are off shoots of Socialism.

Properly understood, fascism and communism were, as the Soviet and German labels openly declared, actually the same thing:, just two varieties of socialism. The fascist praises the free market, but secretly works to destroy it. The communist condemns the free market and openly works to destroy it. Both tactics are tools of a monopolistic type of parasitism known as socialism. The key goal in either case is the destruction of economic market competition so that certain ruthless individuals can acquire huge wealth and power. The wars between the fascists and the communists in the 20th century have simply been wars fought between competing monopolists.

If the communists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly government devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world communist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by government fiat.

If the fascists had their way, the world would be one giant monopoly corporation devoid of any troublesome "free market economy." A one-world fascist government would control every aspect of a world economy. Nothing would be left to the untidy devices of the free market. Wages and prices would be controlled by a central bank, fiat currency, and interest rate manipulations.





Socialism:
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Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.



Communism:
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A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat


Fascism:
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A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

This childish, simplistic political analysis has been brought to you by too many Ayn Rand books, not enough college-level critical thinking courses, and The American Heritage Dictionary which, if you are going to copy and paste from, you should at least be considerate enough to cite.

Kendra:

Think about this for a minute. If you love Freedom (of Speech, Expression, etc), how can you be a Socialist? Because to be a Socialist is to try and impose "Control" in your quest to obtain an ideal world. The goals of Socialism are noble, but in order to reach those goals, you must enact controls. And the very act of controlling will lead you down the road of Communism or Fascism, which I assume you dislike.

So wouldn't you consider yourself the enemy of your own success? Capitalism is wrapped in Freedom. To be Free means to be a Capitalist. It is impossible to be "Free" and a Socialist, Communist, or Fascist.


The Wall Street Journal (February 22,1990) editorializes: "The reality of today's Sweden is the lingering myth of a cradle-to-the-grave Welfare Paradise. The myth is based on an enormous system of subsidies - from food consumption to having children and even reaching old age. Savings are non-existent and investments are flowing abroad. That the gravy train is sputtering can be seen in the degradation of services, particularly medical care, and increasing poverty. Conditions in Sweden, of course, are still a far cry from those in Eastern Europe. But since the economic problems of both arise from the same socialist theory, countries trying to escape the grips of a statist nightmare have little reason to emulate Sweden's welfare system."



I know its hard to understand, but not allowing the Government to provide a crutch for its people is the best thing a nation can do. Will there be poor people who fall through the cracks? Yes. Will there be insanely rich people? Yes. But the majority of the population will be in the middle and life will be good for all. But once you embark down the road of Socialism with its Controls in an attempt to save the world, you find yourself having no choice but to control everything and destorying the very people you tried to save.


Sorry Kendra, but Socialism and Freedom don't mix. Time for you to become a Capitalist.

If its childish and simplistic, then debunk it O wise one... Show me up... Prove me wrong.

Do I look like your political science professor? Pay for your own damn college! Don't you know there ain't no such thing as a free lunch?

In any case, you're a fanatic (or a gimmick) and nothing anyone can say will cause you and the three people on this forum who agree with you to rethink your beliefs. The rest of us know you're full of shit, so why waste everyone's time? Including yours, I might add. I mean, I'm sure you still have a lot of shouting to do.

But I hope you will eventually realize that your monologue isn't going to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you, unless you're trying to convince them that you're an ill-informed loudmouth. Until then I'm just going to take swipes at you from the sidelines from time to time.

Now, when you're ready for a real discussion in which you actually listen to and respect others' opinions... go find someone you've never tried to talk politics with before.

Socialism and Capitalism are not mutually exclusive. I happen to be a Social Democrat. Google it.

What you need to consider is the danger of a Federalist Republic (That's us) becoming too enmeshed in becoming a quasi religious corporatocracy. That's where we are now -- It's FASCISM --and I will not stand for this country to go down that road.

"Never Again"

Take all the swipes you like, that doesn't mean squat to me. I'm everything you cannot stand and your angry tone and only goes to show that your unable to cope with the simple and straight forward issues that I put on the table.

The only fanatic around here is you. If you don't like what I've got to say, then (mute) me. Because your dislike of my worldly views just don't get under my skin...

Believe me, the last thing I'm going to do is lay down and be quiet and let you reign over the forums with your ill-informed rhetoric. Maybe what you need is a political science professor, so you can understand Right from Wrong. And believe me, your deep into the Wrong.

ROFLMAO.

YOU won't stand for it! ROFLMAO!

OMG. That's so funny. It really is. How can YOU stop anything? Are you some kind of superhero? Wait.. That position is already taken.. we have a hero here in SL already... C'mon. How can YOU stop anything as far as direction of the country is concerned?

I remember when people thought that anyone could get elected President of the United States...

Then he did and we are in this mess now

Bill Clinton stole my stipend and raped my cat.