The land griefing continues...

The smokestacks are gone? Damn! We need more smokestacks in SL. I might have to buy the plot to get the ol incinerators goin again......have to burn the trash we got no place to ship it to

Exactly Ursula. In their shoes I'd file an abuse report.

Maybe i should rez 9, 200 prim bookshelves on my property and see if someone calls me a griefer for "littering my property with useless prims".

Briana Dawson

How quickly the world forgets that Anshe land griefed the fuck out of others on her way toward owning half the world. What should it profit a business girl if she should gain the world but lose her soul?

Oh yeah, Jeska, I didn't mean Anshe, that was a typo for "Alexander the Great". Nor did I say "fuck" as such is prohibited.

It's interesting on how many devil's attorneys are ready defend the maker of that horror at the expense of all the neightborhood.
I am quite sure that the ones that actually live their second life there know very well who is the one who tried the extortion here.

Malachi,

I am beginning to fall in love with you, I think.

You will have to defeat "He who walks behind the rows" before you may have Malachi's hand in SLatrimony...

Shiryu,

I understand where you are coming from on this. It is kind of a grey area - we all want the freedom to build what we want on our land without any interference - it is a great principle of SL. However, there are situations where stuff like this is done - I am not sure why there is so much resistance in this thread to what is so freaking obvious - that this person put in giant smokestacks to try to force those around to buy that land out since it wasn't moving. Unfortunately, there is nothing against that behavior - it does not violate TOS, and as such, is permissible.

I suppose it comes down to the adage about freedom of speech - about not agreeing with what someone says, but defending their right to say it. At the same time, there are some behaviors that collectively as a society we push back against - and extorting your neighbors to buy out your land to get rid of a lagging eyesore is not defensible.

You would do something like that you evil prim hog you!

Exactly... it comes down to that and the fact that this is all based on people making assumptions about someone's intent. It doesn't seem obvious to me at all. Maybe the person thought having what he may very well have thought was a cool build on his land would help it sell rather than building something specifically to annoy his neighbors. The bottom line is that none of us are psychic and that person wasn't breaking any rules. They've now been pressured into removing the build through public pressure and humiliation. If you want to pick a behavior to push back against, that would be a good one.

You can't have it both ways, Chip. You can't claim not to be psychic, then state that they've been pressured to remove the smokestacks from their "cool build". You have no way of knowing why they have been removed.

Where was it said that they were removed?

All I read was an "if then" statement.

THey have been removed - I went and looked at the land.

Ahhh. Thanks for clearing that up. I was beginning to think we were experiencing a sudden spurt of evolution and that everyone but me was becoming clairevoyant

Chip: i find extremely interesting that you quoted only a very small part of cristiano's very balanced post, and the one that was useful to your goals obviously.
I find also interesting that you spend so much energy in defending the hurt rights of the poor fellow that put that thing right in the face of other residents, while you don't spend a word about the ones that found their neightborhood ruined by that thing, and their land investments at risk of jeopardy by it's presence.
And the fact that they were the object of a blackmail (as cristiano said, but you carefully avoided to quote that) is so freaking obvious.
Sure, there is no written rule to prevent that, that is why the rules should change. Unless you want to defend the right of people to blackmail others to their economic advantage. If this is the case, well, it's your choice.

No worries, ain't no one around here psychic except for a drag queen I know in South Beach named Claire Voyant. I think Ulrika has some weird voodoo thing going on too, but you didn't hear it from me.

Ah ... this hits close to me since I've encountered something like this.

I had this plot. I built my whole home underwater. I eventually ran out of prim allotment. And I rarely visited it after that. So I stripped the plot clean and placed it up for sale.

A week went by with no inquiries, so I figured, since I'm still paying the tier I'd put a build on the plot. Just to show the potential of it. I placed my water towers I used to have up in Butsu and that bridge connecting the two. It was one of my first builds and I liked it. I got compliments from it too.

Then I got an IM. Telling me basically my new above the water build was ugly and I was placing it there as some kind of malicious agenda to force people to buy up the plot. This made me so furious and hurt, I was crying at my stupid keyboard not knowing what to make of such remarks.

I got over it. Cuz I figured, it's my land. I'm paying the tiers. And I think it's prettyful DAMMIT so screw you!!!!11one I also had this crazed ambition to sell the plot to someone who would keep the build just to mess with my ev0l critic's little head. Hell, I'd give them my 20 meter statues if they wanted it at no additional cost.

All I'm saying is, there's no universal definition of ugly. If there was, a lot of us will never get laid. And sometimes, if one is bold enough to tell another what they have is ugly, it just will make the person more adamant to leave it the way it is.

We're not entitled to the land other people own. It's funny to assume just because we don't like it, we have a say on it. It's not child porn. It's not advocating racism, etc. It's just a build you think is ugly. If you feel so passionately repulsed by it, neg rate it and move on.

Also a tip: if you don't want to see anything around you but can't afford to own more land, turn your draw distance down.

By the way, the "you" is not directed to anyone in particular. I've seen those maliciously ugly to extort builds, so I know where Shiryu's heart's at.

I'm just saying ...well, I'm not saying anything actually. I just posted this because I can't NOT look at these forums, and now it's just drudging up bad memories. I'm going to go now and punch something ... or scream at it real loud ... break stuff, yeah.

True enough. We don't know for sure why they were removed. The intent of this thread is clear however

Yes, the intent of this thread is clear, and it's to protect honest, creative residents from the blackmail attempts some ruthless sharks can easily put in action, since the current rules seem to protect the rights of such sharks to grief (and not only the rules it seems).

Would someone please define a greifing build for me? I don't see the build in question as one, even though two have said it's obviously there to extort. Where is the line drawn, then?

according to my very personal opinion, it's not just a matter of aesthetics, it's a sum of many factors.
1: the aesthetical value can be a factor, i know aesthetics are not objective, but still placing a smoking tower pouring polluting waste into the water has really nothing to do with aesthetics, this cant be a factor by itself, but if summed with others...
2: heavy scripts , particles (why putting two particle scripts for each tower instead of only one? Actually one could be used for all three towers with a lil of tweaking) and eye hurting texture effects.
3: prim cluttering, expecially when putting redundant and invisible prims all around, or for instance a for sale sign i saw once that had EACH letter of the for sale writing made of a prim on each of the 6 faces of the damned spinning big cube surronded by particles (qand there was one every 512 sqmeters all around). If you put prims around that no one will ever see and that wont make any difference but are just there you are just trying to cause as much server load as possible, even with the best effort i can give i cant find ANY other reason.
3: the fact that the land is for sale, if one plans on exercising his creativity with his beloved build he won't sure set the land for sale, expecially oif the build is completely unlinked and will be destroyed as soon as someone buys the place
4: (probably one of the most important) the fact that the land is completely unused, the build is just abandoned there and is not used for the builder's personal enjoyment/business/whatever

And who should decide what builds are "griefing" builds?

Of course the solution to the problem, if there is one, is to simply not buy the land and let them eat their tier.

Dont give in to extortion, perceived or otherwise.

We have the lindens here, they own the place yanno... Protecting residents from griefers should be their FIRST duty.

ROFL are you actually suggesting that the Lindens make judgement calls with regard to asthetics?

Wow.

Let's just say .... it ain't gonna ever happen LOL!

-AP