The land griefing continues...

Direct result of the supposed "freedom to express one's creativity", some people have found a creative way to force their neightbors to buy a relatively undesirable parcel.
Look at this sure very creative build on a 512 for sale plot in wetheral (picture attached at the bottom of the post). A nice smoking tower with particles, rotating dump of polluting waste and tons of totally unnecessary prims scattered all over to fill the parcel to overflowing and lag the sim as much as possible: a cute new sim's waterfront zone completely ruined and lagged down to 200-300 fps (when the average for new sims is 800).
The land is sure for sale, but there is nothing "mature" in it.

I'm beginning to believe building shouldn't be allowed in for sale plots...

Not much you can do about it besides move when your neighbour decides to make his land the center of lag for the whole Sim.

200 - 300 frames per second?

Dude how fast are your eyes??

Cinema screens only go at 24 frames a second, and my monitor is on a 80 a second refresh rate or something like that...

Unless your screen is on 200 refreshes a second, you won't even see the benefit of that fps will you?

She's referring to the simulator's fps, not the client's draw fps.

Low sim FPS will lag you into nothingness, 50 FPS is fine if your the only one in the sim, you get 5 people, chat lag starts, you get 10 people, they start turing grey, you get 20 people, might as well go to bed.

It's their land. If they want to build smokestacks on it, they can. Get over it.

No chip, it's a land they want to SELL, this means this is not expression of one's freedom or creativity, just a griefing way to sell faster at the expense of their neightbors.
Maybe when (and if) this "sucks to be you" attitude will begin to fade, people will stop being held hostage by griefers.

It must be cool to be psychic. Can you give me tomorrow's lotto numbers by chance?

Eh yeah chip, there are SO many reasons why one should build smokestacks in the middle of water, putting more than one particle script per tower (when they could easily put only one if they didnt want to grief), wasting tens of prims on invisible or redundant parts to cause as much server lag as possible, right? Oh, i was forgetting put the land for sale.
Tell me one.

They own the land. They own the prims. It's not possible to waste prims you own. They're simply using resources they paid for. Building something Shiryu doesn't like isn't griefing. Posting a picture of their build on the forum and accusing them of extortion IS griefing.

I went to go look. Sim FPS is around 620, with the occasional dip down to 200, with four agents in the sim. It's not a very pretty or prim efficient build, true, but there's little script activity in it, the particles are short lived, the textures are few...

In fact, there's more going on in the neighboring plot with the submarines (I like that - submarine sales does seem the perfect use for a submarine plot, no?) - a big spinning sub hovering over it, three scritps updating thier occupied prims twice a second or so, more textures involved. Nothing abusive, but they are consuming more resources.

*shrug*

If they really wanted to creatively use he parcel they wouldn't have put it for sale (with a big for sale sign over the building by the way), i asked around and the land has always been for sale since the smokestcks have been built and the owner has never been seen around there ever since.
I find interesting how much wannabe attorneys of the devil there are around. As i said in another thread we have enough attorneys setting criminals free in real life.
Sure chip, continue to defend them, so that they will feel safe and continue to do it.

Jillian: yes, but the sub pen has a sense, it's done for a purpose and it can even have some aesthetical value (if you dont count the spining floating sub, but oh well), generally fits well into the environment. The smokestacks have none of those characteristics, and i am still waiting for someone to tell me a reason for them to be there if not for an estortion.

It is perfectly within their rights to do that. As I said earlier, get over it.

So is it within one's rights to place a griefing build in order to sell the land faster at the expense of the neightborhood? Perfect, someone said that if the law protects criminals it's time to change the law itself.

The point of my post was to gently suggest that it isn't a greifing build. To me, a greifing build would have to have serious impact on a sims resoures (this doesn't) do something annoying with its prims or particles - like invading neighboring plots (this doesn't), or seriously impact client resources (this doesn't).

Your complaints have been strictly about aesthetics, which are subjective. As such, I have to say the owner is well within his or her rights here. For sale or not.

I'd much rather see LL protect the rights and freedoms of land owners than bow to people who feel an arrogant sense of entitlement to tell other people what to do or not do on land that they pay for.

I'd much rather LL find a balance between protecting the rights and freedoms of land owners and the right of neightboring land owners not to be blackmailed for commercial speculation reasons. Simple solution would be apply a severe limit on prims and a total limit on script usage on for sale land.
If one wants to sell his land he doesnt need to build elborate or heavilty scripted builds over it (after all placing land for sale means not wanting to use it).
This would have the effect of blocking the possibility of blackmailing for commercial purposes while leaving untouched the rights of people that actually want to exercise their creativity on the land they own and plan to own in the future.
But of course there always be someone that will cry for the hurt freedom of expression while exercised on land one doesn't even want.

This would stop the sale of current businesses - which happens much more than the small number of alleged "griefer builds".

If you have a better idea i am always open to listen to it, but this doesnt means nothing has to be done abut this

If you have a better idea i am always open to listen to it, but this doesnt means nothing has to be done abut this. Otherwise people will just begin to do it more and more. Freedom is a nice thing, but when it becomes a far west maybe there is a problem.

It's not griefing. If it was griefing the smokestacks would be covered with dead kittens with a rotating middle finger saying "DIE YOU FUCKERS" in particle explosions.

I just see a smoke stack for sale.

LF

The building is not for sale, even because one should stay there 1 day just to click and build all the littered prims all over.

I don't think it qualifys as greifing. Its the same as raising all the land on the parcels your trying to sell. Your allowed to do it its just not very sporting (for loss of a better word).

What do you propose that won't limit the creativity of 99% of the people int he world?

The basic problem is owning land in a sim is like owning webspace on a shared server.
Until LL adopts a policy similar to shared hosting where if yuou are draining resources to a point where you are affecting others on the same host,, they kill your account temporarily till you sort out your bad scripts or upgrade.

Right now just counting prims isn't a good measure of server resources, as we are clearly seeing.

Shiryu - i don't know why you bother to reply to chip. He is obviously baiting you, and he is a pedant who gets off on his faux lawyering.

Max