The land griefing continues...

I already posted my proposal, another possibility would have the lindens discretionally decide what can be a blackmail build ONLY on for sale land, that would allow people to still sell their businesses like Roberta said.
After all when you put land for sale tyou already give any buyer the option to return all your items upon purchase, you do not plan on keeping the build, so you may as well give the lindens the option to return it of they decide it's an unfair way to blackmail your neightbors.
what do YOU propose?

Hello, welcome to favoritism-land, or at least accusations of such. People get up in arms about linden favoritism already... no need to add fuel to the fire.

PLus, the lindens are too busy already to fly around the world picking on random for sale plots.



I propose nothing, because it's a non-issue for me.

The axom of SL is : This too, shall pass.

LF

Can we get an actual definition of the problem before solutions are offered? What constitutes a greifing/extortion build, exactly?

I don't really care about such pointless accusations, nor should the lindens.



No need to, they could just intervene upon call from the griefed neightbors.



Until it happens to your land or your sim



A build that is totally unused and has no pactical or decorative uses placed on a for sale land. Expecially iof full of unnecessary prims/scripts.

OMG someone built something on their own land.....how dare they

So all your builds are used 24/7?

All your builds are practical and decorative?

Land for sale must be devoid of prims?

I see his scripts as being necessary ....who has seen smoke stacks without smoke...they must have smoke so the scripts are necessary.

i said TOTALLY unused.

One thing is creativity on land you plan to use and own, another thing is "creativity" used to force people to buy your land, a land you don't want o use or own, since your inetention of selling it.

I build houses on land for the purpose of selling it for a profit; does that make me a griefer too?

You can't force anyone to buy anything, or even DO anything in SL, unless you let them.

I have to agree with CM, its ugly but not griefing. I have an ugly mall by my house. I don't think its griefing. Its just an ugly build. Sl should perhaps zone better but thats Sl till then build what you like so long as it doesn't violate the tos.

I live in this sim i have a lil over 10000sqm of land.. i am trying my best to buy up the lots for sale.. i am maxed on my tier..the lag there is becoming tiresome i had a linden go there several times for low fps... but what can i do ..in the near future i am planning on buying my own sim it seems the shitholes of builds people create seems to follow me around SL,but i am tired of bitching and fighting so lol what can i do.. this build in question is down at the other end of me i don't see it at all unless i boat ot fly buy..

I seem to remember you being quite an advocate of the "sucks to be you" attitude...I believe you said something along the lines of: "Exactly, if one can't offer a better solution then complaining is completely futile (and redundant). Too easy to simply whine (or use hackneyed satire) and then expect others to abide to your standards or find an actual solution for you."

I am really sorry Shi.... you know you are my best and great friend and we discussed this before... I see your point about ugly awful nonsense buildings.... and those are people that might not have the creativity sense that you, me and others have.... however they can do anything with their prims... if they want to put a nice bomb by you in their building, they have the right... however... sometimes well.... you can tell them nicely about lag and unused scripts but why not dropping a note to a Linden have them decide?

This has happen to me twice at DoveVogue and I simple or told them in the nice way... they have the right to remove their building with particles.... and they did!! Last time, I just simple moved from the sim when there was a laggy club by me... Why having neighbors with that attitude then? I just move and be happy.

Is the same way when someone smokes by you and is a smoking area but you don't see smoking right because you can't stand it.... and is not that they are being rude to you, you would have the right to be there and the smoker too... you simple without causing problems move from the area, you also have the right to simple say something. Their choice to be nice or being nasty to you. At least you said something. But you can't make them leave.

I don't think is griefing at all.... really....

btw.. I am not attacking you at all because I do see your point... and I still luv ya!!

There is a big difference between a building that will be USED as a club (even if maybe badly built) and another that is simply place there to force neightbors to buy the land it's built over.
It's exactly the same difference between a badly programmed utility and a virus.

If i had the tier i would buy it just to be rid of it.. it's a lil over 3k for 512sqm.. go swing by and buy it

Oh my god, this is exactly the sort of waters-edge smokestack that I'd like to have. I was thinking about buying a plot somewhere and building my own, but I've no talent for particles so I doubt I'd have managed to do the smoke. And here one is, all ready to go, pre-built to specifications very close to what I wanted. Clearly, the work that has gone into this build is value-adding to the land's worth. I know it may be more expensive than I intended to spend if I built it myself, but could someone IM me inworld with its location? I might just snatch up this little pearl myself, to keep forever.

Shiryu, thanks for bringing this up. It is always difficult to be sure what some people's motivations are. But if I see one parcel with laggy or ugly building on it and for sale at unreasonably high price, then I can't help suspect that some scammer tries to bully people into buy him out. And such behaviour, if it really is the case here, is simply wrong and should be sanctioned.

Did you check who put this up? Does profile look like alt account? Or have you tried talk to owner?

I will note that throughout this thread the only "proof" offered that this build is lag inducing has been its detractor's assertion.

Beats the crap out of huge, glowing, spinning, for sale signs. Be grateful for what you don't have. I've seen far more unattractive builds (spinning, 100m translucent rocket ship anyone?) where the land wasn't even for sale, at any price. Indeed the owner liked his pink-flamingo / eiffel tower build.

LMAO! Uh huh. Book lernin eez fun.

Edit: As opposed to a pedant who gets off on showing off his vocabulary? Thank you Max. That was the funniest unintentional self-satire ever!

Is that all they're asking? Pffft... that blows the whole extortion/griefing thing out of the water, IMHO. I paid nearly 4k per 512m2 parcel where I am now. Since the person is selling at a reasonable price, I don't see how they are extorting anyone. Now if the person was selling the plot for L$30k or had scripted objects making rude noises or just threw a pile of cubes on the property I might see it differently, but I seriously think Shiryu is overreacting to this.

Sure, its not the prettiest build, but I've made some builds that are not that pretty also... I'd hate to have someone come along and tell me I'm not talented enough to build on my own damn land. Shiryu might think its ugly and useless. But the person took the time to actually build something, instead of just a bunch of rotating cubes with flashing textures. It boils down to this: the builder is well within his rights. The only thing he seems to be injuring is one person's delicate sensibilities. LL is NOT going to start curtailing players' rights because of this... thankfully.

LOL oh there are for sale sign cubes there now spinning on at least 7 512sqm of land in that sim..I have asked the owner to remove them insted he put them down in the water *sigh*

awww sorry to burst your bubble but the owner removed the smoke stacks

Actually offering it at market price doesnt void the extortion, that land is pretty undesirable (its completely water), so wouldnt probably be sold easily if not very cheap.
Anyway if the smokestacks have been removed this thread has (at least for this single case) served it's purpose.
Unfortunately this will happen again, if the lindens (thankfully, as someone says) don't do anything about it. And sooner of later it will happen to everyone of you if you are unlucky enough to have someone uncaring or shark enough buiyng some land near you.

Did the land sell, or did the owner that is never there remove it?

If the landowner has been coerced into removing the build as a result of this thread, then I guess I have finally seen some extortion going on.