Philip Disappoints On Bounce Scripts

*KISSES INGRID*
*KISSES PANDA*

The cavalry is here

One of the problems with the FIC is that they have completely lost touch with the common man.

They just have no idea.

I'd love to go to the first 10 tenants I have on the list, cut and paste them a notecard of Aimee's complex idea, and ask them if they understand what they are going to be doing.

Any simple field testing like this would be easy to prove.

Juro, my idea does not take as much Linden time or as much player time because it removes rather than ads something that is a problem. It also merely appends to the existing list of weapons one more weapon.

It's only when I start presenting logic and persuasive arguments to you, Juro, that you reluctantly concede that Aimee's idea also took up time. Honestly, you're so transparent.

Oh, dear, I've interrupted Ingrid's busy day as a marketing professional again. For shame!

*Bursts out laughing*

The same 6 people that already fight me in every other forum? Geez, can't you find some new faces?

BTW, I can imagine why the Lindens aren't getting rid of bounce scripts, or even ready to fete Aimee over her latest fetable idea.

And that's because the Lindens are not yet ready to put land ownership at the center of their game/world, and are still fiddling around with trying to be an FPS game. They can't let it go.

And you have lost touch with reality. I have tried, in the past to see things from your point of view, the problem is I cant get my head that far up my ass.

Silly attack. Ignored.


Let me word the note card and lets try it.


Removing a feature is not easy to do because it can cause a cascading effect of breaking existing code assuptions. Since you don't know programming I will make an analogy for you. It is NOT easier to remove the foundation from a building than it is to add a chimney.


More Silliness . Ignored.

Yes, I blame you for low prouctivity levels the past few days. My employer will be sending you the bill.

All this could have been avoided if you just hadn't been such a fart-face.

Good question, I don't think I know of your presence out of the forums.. but it's cute you're assuming that you know the ins and outs of Ami Weberoto and her underground scripting factory/prison she has in umber!

I've not been terribly disrupted by orbiting back home or otherwise, but If I do, I'll live, ask whoever is where I was heading to just port me, or if it's that huge of an inconvenience, I will go AROUND :) but that's just me!

I propose deal with it, if it's that big of a deal to you, lock yourself in your land, perhaps sit on a prim and move around like that, or maybe invest in a good lock :)

If there were no push scripts, elevators wouldn't work so well, no more seburo wars, and no theme parks!

Although I think perhaps a slider would be NICE, I don't think that its worth LL's time right now, but sure, It should be on the list, under havoc2 and giving artists 2 different arm maps for texturing, and longer nose sliders~!

...What's FIC?

If any of the female members of the FIC would like to get in touch with the common man, feel free to IM me.

other problems are dry skin, decent gas prices, and global warming.

Ohhh, I'm sorry. Here I thought you were a bad guy all this time, but instead, you distribute my scripts and address dissenting opinion in a rational and mature manner without any hint of ad hominem attacks. My bad!

How did you take what I wrote and manage to find a way to accuse me of forcing the Lindens to add features which I then took credit for? Who do you think I am, anyway? Or is this the "you guys" thing again? You came up with this categorization system by which you can identify everyone you disagree with and then lump all their acts and opinions together, and I think it's confusing you. Maybe you're thinking of someone else in this case?

Finally, if you're going to imply that my opinion is less valuble than yours because of my age or gender, can you just come out and say that instead of hinting at it with diminutives like "hon"? That would be much appreciated, thanks.

You're Catherine Linden. Page 328 Paragraph 4 Section B of the FIC handbook says so in capital letters no less.

Actually, Prokofy, I did mention in IN MY VERY FIRST POST in this thread. See page 3.


So, I never "reluctantly" conceded that Aimee's idea also took up time. I stated it from the very beginning of my participation in this thread.

Please get your facts straight before trying to flame me with snarky little comments.

Juro, this is the part I told you about...where Prok argues with you by ignoring anything you said

I know.. I should've listened. Thanks for the warning Aimee!

In every world I've been in, and and I've been in a few, there has always been a level of privacy. In SL there really isn't any. For instance, I have a sky home 600 meters up above my maine house. A friend of mine had a problem in real needed a good ear and a shoulder to cry on, so to speak. So, we're up there, and below I see an L shaped green dot on the map. Minutes later, that L shape became a green, round dot and an avatar comes up (wearing a jetpack) to the front steps and doesn't even greet us...proceeds to walk around then sat on the grass with us. Ordinarlily I wouldn't mind this, but there will be some times when you don't want others intruding on you or your space or private conversations, on occaisions such as this.

TSO had the ability to temporarily or permanently lock people out if they wanted. In THERE, I never owned a home but I believe if locked, no one could enter, to name a few worlds. In SL you don't really have that option. People can see through walls, floors, ceilings and doors, and even get in locked homes.

While I don't condone abusing the ability to kick people to another sim, shoot them away, nor port people home, I do support the ability to be able to push people away to a 'certain extent'. Turning on the access list, etc., just doesn't work, because if people fly above it, they can just fly down into your parcel anyway.

Neither side should have it 'only' their way. It should be modified to where it's not griefing, but people who wish to have privacy at times or all times, depending on their reasons, should have the ability to keep people out.

I get kicked a lot of times while just innocently flying by someplace, on a way to another. I don't quite like it, but I just figure the person is overzealous in their security, or just don't know how to set the darn thing correctly.

Anywho, that's my view on something I support.

Personally I think running around the grid and deleting individual scripts would be a colossal waste of man hours - and it doesn't address the problem, well not the real problem.

I think nerfing the pushobject functions of LSL will break more things than it fixes -- it's used for more things than security scripts and guns - and hole in the market will soon be filled with scripts using a different technique of applying force to an Avatar (and there are several).. So that really won't fix the problem either.

The scripts are just a symptom of whats wrong.

What has to be worked out is 'what is the problem?' - and I think a good starting place is to ask 'Why are so many people relying on these scripts? - what do they need that the tools aren't providing'

If there are enough privacy scripts for it to be seen as a big problem - then wouldn't a step in the right direction be brainstorming what privacy functions should be built into the existing land tools and suggesting that? It's not as fun as ranting - but what the fuck - take the road less travelled.

Once the need is filled a good many of these scripts should up and vanish - petition away at will after that for the remainder if it's still a problem.

At the baseline I'd rather see an option added than a feature taken away.

Siggy.

After having been victim to a bounce script and thrown off my flying bike (which was very high up and possible higher then normal standard flight) I woudl have to agree that there needs to be change. I have yet to pick up my now lost bike and it constantly gives me a reminder that I lost it. Why don't I pick it up...because I have no clue which "land" had that script. I was doing nothing but flying high to get from point A to point B and could care less about what others were doing.

They are good in idea but as with many things fail in practice.

Considering how easy it is to get around in Second Life compared to other games, I dont even see how the teleporting home is such a huge problem, in and of itself.

The biggest problem from my experience is the bounce scripts cuase the client to crash. So people who want to have these privacy scripts are completely willing with no warning to crash someone else's client for their privacy.

That is basically rude. It would also be rude to fly up over to circumvent someone's blocked access list. To invade their privacy.

Those red privacy markers are a good way of informing you not to enter said property but would be nice if you just couldnt cross them instead of the auto teleport.

The privacy guard system one of the early posters mentioned seemed a more useful solution.

Forcing eveyone to get rid of their current security sytem they probably paid good money for though seems an excessive solution .. Even if its technically feasible.

I was under the impression there are push resistance shields on the market? do these assist in the security sytems being overly bullying towards you?

If so, maybe a very basic (so as not to destroy someones' business) anti push shield could be added to the library of items available to everyone.

Making people have to wear (even if free) anti-push devices/scripts is NOT the answer. Things like better built in land privacy tools that dont block the airways and height limits on push and teleport home functions are better routes IMO.

The problem here isn't push scripts. The eject script function doesn't "push" your avatar, but instead relocates it. Wearing a personal shield has no effect against an ejection.

The problem isn't that these scripts exist either. The problem is that idiots deploy these these to insane altitiudes to eject and teleport anyone who every tries to fly past. Some sims are impassable.