Philip Disappoints On Bounce Scripts

Yeah, Aimee, thanks for thinking up a complicated thing that a) LL is not likely to do because it requires more coding, changing the UI, etc. and b) players, especially new ones, will find complicated and will not figure out how to manipulate and will require training in (puleeze don't use yourself and your friends as the marker for how much education indeed will be needed).

That's right, Aimee, think up another thing with a steep learning curve to force people to have to jump through all these hoops just

At the root of your assumptions is this: people love shiny new script toys and options on the UI and just love to think up a range of things like "how much do I like my av being pushed" like they love to slide up their "duffle bag" or "ches". But...guess what. The average person isn't going to get this.

And I'm not for everyone having to suffer a mandatory "pushme tutorial" to understand this crap.

I'm for removing scripts that do not announce themselves and push avs home or too far, full stop. That's a negative, that creates a freedom. You only suggest a positive, that creates more coding needs and education needs.

If someone wants to make a trampoline, which is a kind of singleton, minority group in this game, they can introduce an override selection that asks the player do they want to override the existing norm of pushing -- instead of making everybody in the game have a more complicated, more expensive (due to more coding) option to slide up and down their pushability.

Honestly, Aimee, do you live in a world of entitlement where everybody is always available to code endlessly for you, and go through mandatory education just for you? But that's really an imposition on other's freedom.

Leave them alone. Get rid of the bounce scripts. And make the few trampolines around have some voluntary override. Shouldn't that be clear?

Clear.

Just disagreed with.

Don't commit the logical fallacy of assuming that if a person isn't agreeing with you they don't understand you.

Ok Prok. You have made SL history. You are the first user ever to earn the publically expressed ire of Aimee. Let me confirm it now...

Prokofy Neva, you are an asswipe.

I invite you search the archives for all of my posts...and ask everybody you can find that has ever chatted with me about the efforts I have historically made to be approachable and kind to the people around me. The closest thing I have to an enemy would be Taco Rubio because of the extended (but always civil) Upskirt Museum debate...but lo and behold I was on MSN with him last night helping him communicate with friends when his SL connection was lost. With enemies like these who needs friends.

Congratulations, Prok. Even *I* didn't think it would be possible. Pandastrong will be photoshopping you an "Aimee Hates You" certificate later today.

And I said you couldnt do that currently? Not sure the point of this comment.

Well I dont know if Cubey poorly worded his comments or if its my comprehension skills. But why did he even say "a maximum protection range of 60 or 70 meters to a maximum of 768 meters" if he only meant 60 or 70 meters? The "to a maximum of 768 meters" is there for a reason right? If he truely only meant 60 or 70 meters then why not just say 60 or 70 because otherwise I dont see a purpose of mentioning 768 meters. Dunno. I'll drink more caffenine.

Yes, I know.

Don't sweat it Aimee. Prokofy is just worried about the "Next Big Ego in SL" post and is trying desperately to retain his title. No one really takes his scorn and derision seriously anymore.

When you become SL Monarch (why wasn't that announced in the Townhall meeting last night?), you can have him publicaly flailed, or beheaded, or make him listen Michael Bolton's Greatest Hits, over and over again.

*hugs the Aimeenator*

WHY WASN'T that mentioned at the Townhall meeting?! I have to remember to bring that up at the next one.

*hugs david*

I'm glad I finally figured out a way to get the Preen Queen in my sites so effectively. I just hadn't bothered before when I heard all the FIC say you were wonderful and precious, and I began to have my little slight doubts about this. But since I know nothing about fashion and even less about making and selling clothes, I figured, let Aimee reign supreme in her little world, what harm can she do?

bUT....You couldn't answer why you wanted to fete scripterati, create work for the Lindens, and make other users have to jump through hoops to do some stupid crap you dreamed up, instead of just REMOVING THE BOUNCE SCRIPTS and declaring them a bannable offense for TOS violation.

That kind of attitude is a big problem, Aimee. It's a common attitude among FIC that their default switch is: make work for Lindens, make work for other players, benefit from esoteric knowledge, impose my minority's wishes on the majority. Yuck!

Your belief that you are a friend and helper of all simkind has been punctured, Aimee. You were willing to make Lindens work hard to code up some damned thing to make the world safe for trampolines. You were willing to make newbs jump through hoops to preserve your trampoline world in the name of creating some workaround to bounce script weaponry -- and they are weapons.

You couldn't use your considerable stature in this world to say, you know, I hate bounce scripts, too, they suck and they ruin my game, and I"m for getting rid of them when they go too far and don't warn people, and bounce them too far away.

That would have been the big thing to do. Instead, you had to cook up some overly creative "solution" that only burdens people more, and when called on it, you can't back down because showing off your precious creativity is more important than the public weal.

I've shown that for all your talk, Aimee, you don't care about the good of the community. I've punctured the balloon. I can hear some clapping in the land, and some people who have IM'd me about you, now WOOTing.

I'm so glad you'll be able to figure out how to make money off hatred LOL. Be sure to wear your AIMEE HATES PROKOFY shirt in your next photo shoot for the RL media. I want an enterprising journalist to say "Just who is this Prokofy?"

Either way it is going to require work from LL. It's either additional coding or additional CS time dealing with banned push scripts and all the AR's that would be generated by them.

Actually, since there are many push scripts out there, it would be nearly impossible for the Lindens to 'clean' them out of the world and the overhead for that would be more than the cost of coding in something similar to what Aimee suggested.

So..she's been nothing but nice, has not done anything to you. Has done no harm that you are aware of, yet you were still suspicious and ready tojump all over her. Hmm...therapy Prok..therapy. You really can overcome your feelings of inadequacy and low self-esteem.



So..like a thousand other folks, she thought of a change that she felt might take care of a problem in SL, and would like to see it implemented, much the same as you have in the past. HOW DARE HER! Once again, really lame Prok...



LOL! It's an attitude apparently shared by many FIC, newbs, midbies, and about every other imagined class of folk in SL. Have you been reading the forums with your eyes closed again?? If you want to see feature changes, that usually would mean work for Lindens. Even your solution, which pretty much no one supports, would require Linden work.

Again, thus far your suggestion appears to be what the tiny (one person) minority would like...and yet you push for it and show scorn to those that don't like it (everyone else).



See above.



How would that have been the big thing to do? because that's what YOU (and so far only you) want? But a more moderate and well-thought out approach is somehow evil?? Damn..you are getting lamer and lamer..

And suggesting a good idea and showing intelligence and creativity are reasons for scorn in your world? Boy..I bet you are fun at Christmas.



You mean you've shown, once again, that you are clueless, arrogant, mean-spirited and selfish? Yes..you did show that quite well..




Well..you seem to make spewing vile your profession Prok. Attention depived as a child? Sorry..but therapy can help..

Er, yes... either enforce the Community Standars regarding ejection/tp or remove those script functions in favour of flexible land tools.

Yes, I phrased that poorly. I mean a maximum vertical range of 60 or 70 meters that could be positioned at a maximum height of 768 meters. Sorry for the confusion.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up. Good idea.

Say what? You don't know anything about scripting, either, yet you're perfectly happy spending hours and hours bemoaning those evil, evil scripters. Oh, sorry, I forgot they need a ridiculous name to be up to Prokofy standards -- we'll say "Educentric Scriptocrats"? Is that acceptable?

Prokofy, you know, it IS possible for someone who disagrees with you to somehow manage to NOT also be part of the reconstituted spectre of International Communism, out to destroy all that you hold dear. Your argument --and it really seems to be the same argument, day in, day out-- seems to consist of, "I'm not going to address the content of your message, because you disagree with me and people who disagree with me are members of the conspiracy against me and all of SL."

David is absolutely correct. You don't even start off with a response to Aimee's suggestion, you just immediately start attacking her worthiness to hold a contrary opinion to yours. She's a pawn of the Anti-Prokofyites! She speaks only lies to confuse the weak-minded! Then when you actually DO get around to addressing the facts, you claim that Aimee is somehow a terrible person for suggesting something. A suggestion! And it differed from yours! Truly, she is the worst kind of person.

Honestly, since when have the Lindens ever listened to a single person for a feature suggestion? What do you think is going to happen if you don't step up and bash everyone you don't like? Sometimes it seems as though you believe yourself to be the only force holding back the tide of... well, whatever it is you think would happen to SL were the Lindens and FIC to "win". I've never actually been clear on that point.

Prokofy, by your own repeated admission, you DON'T know how programming works. You don't know how much effort it would be for the Lindens to add a feature that would scale the amount of force placed on an avatar, defaulting to a very low value. You're perfectly happy to assume it would be quite a bit, while at the same time, asking the Lindens to remove every ejection script. Do you know how much work that would be, were it done manually, on a report-by-report basis? Or even automatically, for that matter? I'm going to guess that no, you haven't given a lot of thought to that, since that would likely involve learning something, the most greivous crime of those wicked, wicked Learnocratic Oppressors.

No, what's important is that you managed to get yet another jibe in, further exposing the vast conspiracy of people who sell things/give things away/make things/know how to make things/know someone who makes things/disagree with you/build things you don't like/are in their 20s/work for Linden Lab/know someone who works for Linden Lab/have talked to a Linden/etc. Another successful post! Three cheers for Prokofy and his unwavering defense of the proletariat!

And I thought _I_ got the Aimee hates you award....*cries and gives it up*.....Ho-bag.

Prokofy, I love ya because wherever you post I know it's going to be a funny thread.

Oh, and I don't really mind the ban balls that much it's just the Lock-tite bouncer that pisses me off because that thing is so awfully built that it doesnt even send you home. It sends you home OVER AND OVER until you crash. I don't remember what genius built that one but they weren't a part of the "scripteratti".

Yay for shiny!!!

-Ghoti

Oh, I know enough about scripting to just cut and paste it and make it worth and be inspired to new inventions by the work of those such as yourself

BTW, now that I have your attention, since you ignored me a few times before, did you know I redistribute your script everywhere in the game, including on lots I pay a fortune to rent from mall barons, and praise your work to everyone? Imagine! And that flies in the face of every cliche you have about me.




Um, actually, no. I did address the essence of Aimee's proposal. I said it sucked, big times, because it a) made Lindens work and b) made the average player work whereas my proposal did nothing except remove a huge annoyance from the game, but since it undermined her scriptocentric view of the universe, she was willing to come in there swinging without any notion of the consequences.


Uh, no, actually, can you read? Or do you only understand little LSl phraselets?

I did respond to her suggestion by saying, once again, a) she made more work for Lindens b) she made more work for players. I don't see you or her refuting that. So c) I concluded that preserving the scripterati uber alles was all that was on her mind.

Uhhhh...if she is just being the usual Friend to Man that she styles herself, well, I'm here to unseat that jockey on its usual hobby-horse because I pointed out that ideas that make work for Lindens and make hard-to-figure stuff for players are not worth it.

Honestly, you people only know how to round up the Winnebagos in a circle in your wicciup, and not much else. You can't even read clear sentences.



Uhhh...again, I don't see that, hon. I see me saying a) she made work for Lindens with her plan and b) she made yet another stupid unnecessary learning curve for people...and that was inconsiderate, and merely mitigated a bit her *already-secure* Pride of Place as the kewlest thing since cream cheese.



Yes, it's very important that people like me do try to hold back the tide, although of course, it's a hopeless effort.



Any idiot can tell that her proposal requires at least SOME time for Lindens to program.
Whereas my proposal merely requires Lindens to *set the tone* by announcing --cost free to themselves* that such scripts are bannable. Trust me, decent businessmen, and there are some, will instantly stop selling them. A few bans -- and everyone will get the idea. A few removals strategically from a few holdouts -- it will work to rid these things in general. There's no massive amount of 100s of garbage-detail pick-ups the Lindens are going to have to be doing with this.

Actually, I'm looking forward to the day when the Lindens can get as much a handle on the things that draw CPU resources as they have on the pixel-land thing. I'd love for them to charge for the use of each scripted object, and set up servers so they simply disable certain pernicious scripts.

I realize this is going to come as a terrible shock to you. But the beta test is over. The game will have to turn a corner. You're always welcome to go out and get $5 million and start your own game where content-making, script-making, programming, testing, and beta-culture reigns supreme for ever.

I know that you've had a long ride doing this:

a) think up some clever new thing
b) get the Lindens to do it
c) get yourself celebrated for inventing it
d) lather, rinse, repeat.

I don't know at which point the Lindens are going to start to disengage from you all a bit...but if they institute more land rights and better land tools, they'll be well on their way to doing that by creating a significant class in the society larger than the few land barons you see now that can really offset the hold you've had on the society as programmers and content-makers.

If our land rights only extend to a certain distance, then make the teleport home function only work on people at that altitude or lower.

Any idiot can tell that your proposal would also require at least SOME time for the Lindens, in the way of CS time.

As I posted earlier, both require input, effort, and time by the Lindens.

Let me save prok the trouble and give you an outline of his reply to you.

1. Ignore everything Juro said
2. Characterize Juro as part of some conspiracy
3. Assert that Juro's position is due to participation in that conspiracy rather than the merit of his ideas
4. Belittle Juro
5. Rock back and forth, wipe froth from mouth, start again

Don't hate Aimee just because she's beautiful.

Juro, I think you're just getting all pendantic on me because you don't like me and are annoyed by my posts?

Like I said, I don't ask a thing from the Lindens but to a) announce that bounce scripts violate the TOS and b) make a few token arrests.

Already, most of the police blotter is taken up with the Lindens dealing with weapons in the wrong places. This isn't because they talk to me or something. They do that because that's what Lindens do to keep their TOS going and viable and credible.

All I'm asking is that they add on to their list of weapons the bounce scripts that unlawfully push avs.

Thank you, that's all it's about.

In their nightly rounds, they might have one or two more of these, they can decide how token they want it to be.

But you're not addressing my real issue, are you?

Because you can only obsess on Lindens.

I said Aimee's idea would create a huge inconvenience for ordinary people who don't think like scripters and figure out to toggle they want to happen or not happen. It creates unnecessary learning battles and questions and confusion. If anything, having to learn how to slide all that stuff or not slide it, especially AFTER getting bounced, is going to create HUGE amounts of CS time for Live Helpers and Lindens..

Geez, did you think about THAT???

Honestly, nobody ever dare rock your world because you scream like babies.

My personal opinion of you aside, Prok, I was addressing a simple truth, that you neglected to detail and continue to ignore:

Both options, the one provided by Aimee and one provided by you, would require Linden efforts. That was one of the points you were arguing: Linden effort and time.

I wasn't debating the validity/benefit of one over the other. I actually think it might be beneficial to look into implementing both.

I think someone needs a diaper change.

Yes Juro, and Prok is also wrong about users needed training to use a "Push susceptibility" slider. Users can handle this. He is making a big deal out of nothing because he has no argument. and I do not share his negative view of the average SL user.