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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:24
From: Burnman Bedlam
OMG... are you serious?? Hitler said on many occassions that god spoke to him, and don't delude yourself into thinking he didn't use christianity as a tool of war. The "perfect race" was hitler's idea of "created in the image of".

And guess what bucko... we can, have, and will prevent christianity from being taught in schools. Erasing it from existance isn't the issue, preventing it from being taught to our children is.

The terrorists of 9/11 were Islamic extremists, and do not follow the general teachings of Islam. Don't try to justify teaching christianity in public schools by playing the "9/11 card". That's cheap, and demeaning.

If you want to teach children to hate Muslims... you can do that with your kids in your own home. Public schools should not be a forum for teaching one faith over another.

first off, I don't hate muslims; however, I find it ironic that the same thing you claim about Hitler you deny about radical Islamists. Hitler did not follow Christianity, whether he claimed to or not, and for several reasons the main one being he forgot that Jesus was Jewish. You can't remove Christianity from the schools, sorry but there if you did, my subject would disappear. In fact you could make an arguement that without Christianity and it's splintering, there would be no USA.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-18-2006 08:24
I believe religion(And semi-religions) absolutely should be taught in highschool.

Christianity, Islam, Judaeism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, etc. I feel at least a semester should be dedicated to this, and it should be a mandatory class for graduation.
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07-18-2006 08:25
From: Billybob Goodliffe
first off, I don't hate muslims; however, I find it ironic that the same thing you claim about Hitler you deny about radical Islamists. Hitler did not follow Christianity, whether he claimed to or not, and for several reasons the main one being he forgot that Jesus was Jewish. You can't remove Christianity from the schools, sorry but there if you did, my subject would disappear. In fact you could make an arguement that without Christianity and it's splintering, there would be no USA.


Hmmm... that's simply presumptuous and laughable. Argue that if you wish, I'm in the mood for a good joke. :D
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07-18-2006 08:28
You can't include some and not others, and there is barely enough time to teach what is taught now. Do you want to extend class hours? Kill summer vacation? And where will the funding come from for the additional educators, the lawsuits, and the materials? Raise taxes? Bake sales?


From: Reitsuki Kojima
I believe religion(And semi-religions) absolutely should be taught in highschool.

Christianity, Islam, Judaeism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, etc. I feel at least a semester should be dedicated to this, and it should be a mandatory class for graduation.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:28
From: Burnman Bedlam
Hmmm... that's simply presumptuous and laughable. Argue that if you wish, I'm in the mood for a good joke. :D

hmm skip the important part did we?
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07-18-2006 08:31
From: Burnman Bedlam
You can't include some and not others, and there is barely enough time to teach what is taught now. Do you want to extend class hours? Kill summer vacation? And where will the funding come from for the additional educators, the lawsuits, and the materials? Raise taxes? Bake sales?


Yes, you can, in the same way that we teach some history but not all, some languages but not all, etc. You can cover all the major world belief systems easily in a semester.

Funding? Simple. Cut the bullshit classes, cut out the extra-curricular shit.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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07-18-2006 08:34
From: Kevn Klein
Creation can be taught without mentioning which God or religion. We can teach the children that there are things we don't have an answer to, and that most people believe the God of some religion created the universe.

Do you want your child to be completely ignorant of what most people believe is real? What do you fear?


According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..."

or about 1/7th of 1% of scientists in the U.S.

I'm fine with with schools teaching that people believe in a variety of creation mythologies... but I'd think it belongs in 'social studies', not the science classroom.

According to a gallop poll in 91... 65% of highschool drop-outs are creationists.

Which indicates to me that most already knew about creation before they went to High School... do we really need to spend public education dollars trying to teach them something they already know? ;)

(a strip I saw yesterday and thought relevant to high school drop-outs bit: :) )








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07-18-2006 08:39
From: Kevn Klein

Do you want your child to be completely ignorant of what most people believe is real? What do you fear?

Damn skippy I do. My children already associate christianity and religion with brain-washing and manipulation and I love it.

I fear bible thumpers like you getting talons into my children.

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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:39
whats funny about this whole thing Burnman, I'm not a creationist, per se. I think there is a creator who made the very first single celled orangism, thats when evolution took over. I find it hard to imagine that inanimate molecules suddenly formed animated organisms.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:40
From: Briana Dawson
Damn skippy I do. My children already associate christianity and religion with brain-washing and manipulation and I love it.

I fear bible thumpers like you getting talons into my children.

Briana Dawson

yet you brainwashed and manipulated them so whose talons are in them?
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Jopsy Pendragon
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07-18-2006 08:43
From: Reitsuki Kojima
I believe religion(And semi-religions) absolutely should be taught in highschool.

Christianity, Islam, Judaeism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, etc. I feel at least a semester should be dedicated to this, and it should be a mandatory class for graduation.


I believe that an awareness and understanding of the differences, the cultures and the issues that affect dealing with people of other faiths SHOULD be taught in school... but from an objective point of view: "Right or wrong is out of the scope of this class... this is what some groups of people have faith in and strive to live their lives by."

But teaching the belief and the relevant practices/rituals/dogma associated with it should remain the responsibility of parents and 'parish' (or whatever term is relevant for the local gathering of people for a paticular faith).
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07-18-2006 08:48
From: Jopsy Pendragon
According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..."

or about 1/7th of 1% of scientists in the U.S.

I'm fine with with schools teaching that people believe in a variety of creation mythologies... but I'd think it belongs in 'social studies', not the science classroom.

According to a gallop poll in 91... 65% of highschool drop-outs are creationists.

Which indicates to me that most already knew about creation before they went to High School... do we really need to spend public education dollars trying to teach them something they already know? ;)

(a strip I saw yesterday and thought relevant to high school drop-outs bit: :) )









(CBS) (This poll was conducted November 18-21, 2004.)

Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved.

The poll results are as follows:

God created humans in present form: 55%

Humans evolved, God guided the process: 27%

Humans evolved, God did not guide process: 13%
Burnman Bedlam
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07-18-2006 08:48
From: Billybob Goodliffe
hmm skip the important part did we?


No, not really. I didn't feel the rest of your post worth commenting on. I just didn't want to be rude and say so. :)

So much for looking out for ya.
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Briana Dawson
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07-18-2006 08:49
From: Billybob Goodliffe
yet you brainwashed and manipulated them so whose talons are in them?

Uhm, how do you brainwash someone by not telling them about religions.... Better my talons than a stranger. Especially some magic believing preacher.

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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:50
From: Briana Dawson
Uhm, how do you brainwash someone by not telling them about religionsUhm.... Better my talons than a stranger. Especially some magic believing preacher.

Briana Dawson

whatever happened to letting them decide for themselves?
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07-18-2006 08:51
The parents? :D Oh no! The right person has control of the children!! Someone call the vanmaster, we have a situation here!!

From: Billybob Goodliffe
yet you brainwashed and manipulated them so whose talons are in them?
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07-18-2006 08:52
From: Billybob Goodliffe
whatever happened to letting them decide for themselves?


Should we let our children decide whether or not to trust random people on the internet all by themselves? Or take steps to protect them?
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07-18-2006 08:54
From: Jopsy Pendragon
I believe that an awareness and understanding of the differences, the cultures and the issues that affect dealing with people of other faiths SHOULD be taught in school... but from an objective point of view: "Right or wrong is out of the scope of this class... this is what some groups of people have faith in and strive to live their lives by."

But teaching the belief and the relevant practices/rituals/dogma associated with it should remain the responsibility of parents and 'parish' (or whatever term is relevant for the local gathering of people for a paticular faith).


Obviously (Although a cursory explanation of the major rituals would seem important as well, for completeness)
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07-18-2006 08:54
From: Billybob Goodliffe
whats funny about this whole thing Burnman, I'm not a creationist, per se. I think there is a creator who made the very first single celled orangism, thats when evolution took over. I find it hard to imagine that inanimate molecules suddenly formed animated organisms.


Well, you are entitled to believe what you want. But would god be mad that you are selectively following the faith? Choosing what parts apply to you? :)
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:55
From: Burnman Bedlam
No, not really. I didn't feel the rest of your post worth commenting on. I just didn't want to be rude and say so. :)

So much for looking out for ya.

So you are gonna ignore the part where I caught you in a hypocritical statement, but here just for your benefit.
From: Burnman Bedlam
The terrorists of 9/11 were Islamic extremists, and do not follow the general teachings of Islam.


From: Burnman Bedlam
Hitler said on many occassions that god spoke to him, and don't delude yourself into thinking he didn't use christianity as a tool of war. The "perfect race" was hitler's idea of "created in the image of".


now do you see the hypocrsy of this?

Hitler, although he claimed to be Christian didn't follow the general teachings of Christianity. So its ok to excuse Muslims from the actions of thier extremists, yet blame Christians for the actions of their extremists?
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07-18-2006 08:56
From: Briana Dawson
Uhm, how do you brainwash someone by not telling them about religions.... Better my talons than a stranger. Especially some magic believing preacher.

Briana Dawson


Not telling them about religions would involve, well, not telling them about religions. Not telling them that they are brainwashing manipulators.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 08:57
From: Burnman Bedlam
Well, you are entitled to believe what you want. But would god be mad that you are selectively following the faith? Choosing what parts apply to you? :)

As I have stated in other threads I am already going to Hell for my actions here on Earth. So that is a rather idle threat.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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07-18-2006 08:59
I have to agree with Billy on one thing, Burnman: You can't in one breath say that the 9/11 terrorists were not really Islamists, because they weren't following the faith correctly, and then in the next say Hitler was a Christian. Does not compute.
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07-18-2006 09:03
Wow, you are rather fond at pulling a meaning out of something that wasn't there to justify your point of view, eh? lol

No, there is no contradiction there. Two different topics. Hitler and the nazis were extremists and unforgivable. However, not all christians are nazis. Your comment regarding 9/11 and terrorism seemed to indicate that you associate all of Islam with terrorism, which is something hitler would have done.

Do you get it yet?


From: Billybob Goodliffe
So you are gonna ignore the part where I caught you in a hypocritical statement, but here just for your benefit.

now do you see the hypocrsy of this?

Hitler, although he claimed to be Christian didn't follow the general teachings of Christianity. So its ok to excuse Muslims from the actions of thier extremists, yet blame Christians for the actions of their extremists?
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-18-2006 09:05
From: Burnman Bedlam
Wow, you are rather fond at pulling a meaning out of something that wasn't there to justify your point of view, eh? lol

No, there is no contradiction there. Two different topics. Hitler and the nazis were extremists and unforgivable. However, not all christians are nazis. Your comment regarding 9/11 and terrorism seemed to indicate that you associate all of Islam with terrorism, which is something hitler would have done.

Do you get it yet?

you associated Christians with death and sex.
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