Atheists who attack Christianity

No, he isn't.

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Most of us?....

NEARLY TWO-THIRDS of Americans support teaching creationism alongside evolution in public schools, according to a new poll, but there is far less agreement over who gets to decide what is taught.

About 64 percent support teaching both evolution and creationism, according to a poll of 2,000 adults July 7-17 by the Pew pollsters and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, released August 30.

"This is an example of American pragmatism," of taking an allow-both-sides approach, said John Green, a senior fellow in religion and American politics at the Pew Forum and director of the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron.

"Most Americans are not especially ideological people ... and this is one way, from the point of view of the average American, to solve the problem: teach both sides and let the students sort it out," he said.

Even before President Bush opined to news reporters recently that he thought evolution should be taught a long with "intelligent design," which critics call a disguised version of creationism, the battle over evolution in the classroom had flared in public school districts in Kansas, Pennsylvania and elsewhere.



http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_19_122/ai_n15674701

I would want to know the exact wording of that poll before I made any comment. They call it "teach creationism" in the poll, but I have a sneaking feeling that the poll was worded a bit differently. Largely because I GOT a poll-call to that effect that was worded a lot different.

I think the point is.... Americans in general support a level playing field. If we are to be fair both sides should have their argument aired, especially when so many people accept the side which is being suppressed.

Most Americans believe mankind was created as it is today. Only 13% believe evolution did it without God's help.

"Without God's help" does not support teaching creationism or ID, though, is largely my point as to why that poll data smells like week-old salmon.

trust me it dosnt work

Well, either Canada has a MUCH higher percentage, or I have been lucky enough to surround myself with intelligent people, because almost NO ONE I know believes that evolution is a myth.

Microevolution isn't a myth.

Evolution in general is not a myth.

All religion, however, falls into the realm of mythology by definition. Look it up.

Would you support teaching our children that the world is a giant ball of icecream covered with a crust of chocolate? Because like it or not, Atheists consider religious teachings to be of similar dubious content. There is no middle ground here, an atheist could not teach a religious argument and be true to him/herself, and similarly, a religious teacher feels compelled to teach their view of the world.



I am always weary of these statistics. Apparently, just over 3/4 of the UK population reported having a religion, and I think these statistics do not tell the whole truth; I think many people state a religion in a similar way they would their heritage, and they are not in fact religious. I have a large circle of friends, and I don't know anyone who has anything but an atheist view of the world, though I appreciate that the US is more of a reigious nation than the UK.

not true, since I am in fact a teacher, I do it all the time. I teach US History and do everything I possibly can to keep my beliefs and political leanings out of the classroom.

That's because you hold yourself as having some significant fraction of omniscience.

But I say to you, even seven times seven is as nothing next to infinity.

Then I applaud you. However, I doubt that many could without any bias creeping in. I know I wouldn't be able to teach relgion as anything other than on a historical basis, as I believe it to be fundamentally wrong. I'm sure there are many religious teachers who have similar but opposite views.

However one of the rules in our teacher handbook is to be bipartisan.

Teaching creation as a POSSIBLE explanation for the universe isn't teaching it as fact.

The humanists want to dominate the indoctrination of public school children, it seems. They want children to think of God as a myth, and Macro-evolution/abiogenesis as fact.

Of course... you would have to teach the creation myths of ALL religions world wide to avoid discrimination, and that isn't possible. Besides, I hardly think the bible belt would welcome teaching about the creation myth of non-christian Pagan religions.



Humanists? lol

The situation is this Kevn, christianity is not the only faith in existance. There are children of many faiths attending public schools. Evolution has scientific support, which offers more validation that the writtings of a book translated MANY times over MANY centuries by MANY different people, resulting in about 50 different versions of the text which contradict each other.

To avoid discriminating against people, public schools cannot teach or support one faith over another. Kiss that concept goodbye. Seperation of Church and State keeps your book out of my kid's head, and I am happy about that. There is more sex and death in the bible than on cable, and I don't exactly want to teach my kid the values from a book which details the "creator" as one that slaughters children.

That's not an attack, that's a point of view.

by the same mentality we shouldn't teach things like the Holocaust. Surely you aren't proposing that? Or should we only teach the death and destruction that isn't related to an opposing religion? Or we should teach that the Civil War was started over slavery?

You seriously just made me laugh out loud... hehehehe



The difference between teaching christianity and the holocaust, is we aren't promoting the holocaust. Teaching about the holocaust isn't promoting it, and it is part of historical fact. Teaching about it will hopefully show children the horror of what one religious group could do to another if it has the chance.

The "mentality" with which you speak isn't reason, it's "spin".

Bah!! You edited.



Teaching about death and destruction with the hopes of preventing it is different than teaching about a religion... unless you intend to prevent it.

As for the civil war, don't try to hijack the thread with another issue altogether.

my use of "mentality" refers to your point of view, sorry its a common turn of phrase down here. Now I ask, what if there is an Iranian student in the class, they are taught in Iran that the Holocaust is fake. "Teaching about it will hopefully show children the horror of what one religious group could do to another if it has the chance." So we shouldn't call the 9/11 terrorists Islamic? You can't prevent Christianity from being in the schools. Hate to break it to you, but it is kinda central to western history. Now you do realize that Hitler never said his actions were in the "name of Christianity" he always said it was for the good of the German race. So your assumption that it was one religion against another is false. Now who said anything about promoting Christianity? All I've heard suggested was giving both an equal footing.

I used your view from another thread, the false assumption that the Civil War was over slavery.

Creation can be taught without mentioning which God or religion. We can teach the children that there are things we don't have an answer to, and that most people believe the God of some religion created the universe.

Do you want your child to be completely ignorant of what most people believe is real? What do you fear?

OMG... are you serious?? Hitler said on many occassions that god spoke to him, and don't delude yourself into thinking he didn't use christianity as a tool of war. The "perfect race" was hitler's idea of "created in the image of".

And guess what bucko... we can, have, and will prevent christianity from being taught in schools. Erasing it from existance isn't the issue, preventing it from being taught to our children is.

The terrorists of 9/11 were Islamic extremists, and do not follow the general teachings of Islam. Don't try to justify teaching christianity in public schools by playing the "9/11 card". That's cheap, and demeaning.

If you want to teach children to hate Muslims... you can do that with your kids in your own home. Public schools should not be a forum for teaching one faith over another.

I'm not addressing unrelated threads in this one. Keep the topic current, or post in the other thread, and we can discuss treason there. Don't quote me out of context either.

Wow... you are a character, aren't you! lmao

Religion is to be taught in the home, religious institutions, not public schools. I'll teach my kid about religion. Like I said before, unless you are going to include the religions of the world, discrimination would be abound.

Keep religion OUT of public schools, and in the home/place of worship.