Israel murders more civilians. Hamas vows to retaliate

They're also not the ones promising genocide against an entire people and loading their rockets with ball bearings to kill and injure innocent civilians at random.


Not even 6 years of restraint while they waited for Lebanon to follow two different U.N. resolutions calling for them to disband militias like Hezbollah? That's a lot of restraint when someone is promising to kill you.


Now look what you've done. You just Godwinned the thread and we have to start over. Try to avoid inappropriate analogies next time, k?

This reminds me of the attitude when Katrina hit. People blamed the piss poor victims for being there when that happened too. They couldn't get out when warned and they lived in a so called RICH civilised and technical advanced country and not a war torn country in chaos. Where do you go when your country is bombed? Israel is at 'war' how can you be certain the warning isn't tactics?

So what's your take on WTC #7? Just curious.

that was 9 hours, but who's countin

theres a funny story about 2 huge buildings that fell an hour after a plane hit them

i wish i could find the link, its quite the fairy tail

I feel so sorry for the families of the Israelis and Lebanese killed in the ongoing fighting. Other than these true victims, I have very little sympathy for any other government or entity involved. Personally, I don't have a political agenda to pimp so they all look like scumbags to me.

you mean "fairy tale", I assume, since fairies don't have tails. Some pixies do, but that's a whole other discussion. The fact is, the WTC buildings started burning immediately after the crash. And these buildings were hundreds of feet tall and made of steel. For those to come down in an hour is actually pretty quick. But if my house got hit by a ton of TNT, it'd be pretty much gone instantly.

There was no mention of the building being on fire, being sprayed with jet fuel, or slowly collapsing... it just "happened" to fall down 7 hours after the bombs dropped nearby.

A common terrorist tactic is to attack, then retreat to civilian popluation centers, thus bringing the retliation back down on civvies. These people have not been above puting their own neighbors and families in danger in the past.

If you believe some of the rhetoric floating around, there are those who say that Bush allowed or even helped plan the WTC bombing. You'd believe that, but wouldn't believe that some Arabs would do the same thing? If you don't want to concede that this is possible, or even likely, considering the fact that these people kill themselves on purpose (thus becoming a "martyr", then you're a hypocrite at the very least.

I can certainly believe there's enough blame to go around, but Israel being the haters, and the Arabs being the innocent victims here? That's a bit of a reach.

I guess I must not have gotten the whole story, there. In particular, I missed the part about leaflets being dropped beforehand, and the phone calls to every office.

Hypothetical question:

A terrorist lives in the neighborhood next to yours and gets permission from someone to go into his house and fire a missile that blows up your neighbors house, a family of 6, poof, all dead. He reloads and fires another one blowing up your other neighbor's house, a family of 5, poof, all dead. He reloads again and fires another missile blowing up the house across the street from yours, a family of 4, poof, all dead.

You see that he is reloading again and targeting your house this time. You know that you don't have time to escape. You can do one of two things.

1. Do nothing and watch the terrorist fire a missile into your house killing you, your spouse, and your 4 children.

2. Fire a missile killing the terrorist first at the same time knowing that you will probably kill the owner and possibly the family of the house that let the terrorist do this but knowing that the terrorist will never kill again.

What do you do?

I have a sniper rifle (in fact several) so, chance of civilian deaths is slim

Granted, but the neighborhood is out of range for your sniper rifle, do you fire a missile killing the terrorist and anyone else in that house or do you and your family die because you did nothing?

I'm not seeing the relevance here.

AR and ban him, of course.

Good God! Yes and you'd be even safer if you bombed every other house in the area just in case their terrorist under their beds too. If this an analogy to a technically advanced country who have precision-guided bombs, military intelligence and use of US sat pics it's nonsense.

Thank you for not answering the question, do you have the guts to give an honest answer? We shall see.

Cindy, in response to your rebuttal of my last point, I hereby propose Alazarin's Corollary to Godwin's Law: The point at which a thread descends to I-P (Israel-Palestine) mudslinging it is dead and no further debate is possible. From which perspective this thread was dead from the first post.

Sorry. There's so much sarcasm and indirect communication here that I missed the possiblity that your post was meant to be taken at face value.

I thought you were drawing a parallel between Qana and the WTC. I was trying to distinguish.

And the part about the USMC using the roof as a launching pad for rockets that flew all the way to Afghanistan to bomb Bin Laden's HQ.

I was bored last night, so I fed the trolls. Sometimes it's fun, but only when I'm in the mood. Most of the time, I really don't like to argue.

No. You turn the other cheek.

~Ulrika~

No. I asked about WTC #7. What do you suppose caused that to fall after 9 hours? I'm curious.

Global Warming

a more poignant question is: How many women and children were sleeping in the basement for those 9 hours?

Point taken, Alazarin. But hey, so what if the Arabs & Israelis haven't been able to resolve their differences for the last 60 years? We can win that war here on the forums!

Two! One to hold the light bulb and another to rotate the ladder.

~Ulrika~