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Some Good Things George W Bush Has Done Domestically

Magnum Serpentine
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11-02-2005 19:12
From: Neehai Zapata


When Clinton left office there was a Social Security surplus, which Bush promptly spent.




AMEN and also lets not forget that President William Clinton left the Nation with a Surplus and not a defecit. George The Second is a typical Republican... Spend Spend Spend
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11-02-2005 19:13
From: Jamie Bergman
Kendra, this is the second time you've implied that I'm a neo-conservative. In fact, I'm just a middle of the road American who wants justice. Please stop implying that I'm an extremist.



YOu sound like a Conservative Reconstructionist to me. I see nothing Middle American about your support for a Dictator.
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11-02-2005 19:15
From: Jamie Bergman
I don't get all this talk about people thinking the Government should HELP them. The government is not there to work for you. If you want something, you need to work for it. Really, what the tax cuts are doing is giving money BACK to the people who earned it.

Nothing more, nothing less.

We all need to stop relying on the government to help us and help ourselves.



And thanks for calling me a leach because I cannot work. I get Social Security. And you called the program A Leach... I am seriously considering reporting your post as Abusive.


Some people are Disabled and cannot work . I am even closer to reporting your post as abusive.
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11-02-2005 19:20
From: Jamie Bergman
The government exists to provide national defense, uniform standardizations, and various other tasks vital for the day-to-day operation of a modern society. Its not there to be a social safety net.

What the President is doing is cutting some of that fat that has been allowed to build and make us a stronger, more nimble enterprise.



So just like in Adolph Hitlers Germany, all the Disabled people should be killed right???????

What about the Disabled People?
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11-02-2005 19:22
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I live in San Francisco, knuckle head. :D

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He didnt say you dont live in America

He said you are NOT an Amercian

He is right
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11-02-2005 19:22
From: Jamie Bergman
What was UNFAIR was that that 1% of the population was being taxed out of proportion to the rest of the population to BEGIN with.

This is just a reversion back to justice and fairness. Nothing more.



Good I say lets tax that top 1% and give the money from that tax to the poor.
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11-02-2005 19:23
From: Anya Dmytryk
yep, it's supposed to be for NATIONAL defense. which the bush government is not providing because it decided to fight an unneccessary war.



Oh foolish lefty If we didnt take it to them, they would be killing our children now.
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11-02-2005 19:25
From: Magnum Serpentine
AMEN and also lets not forget that President William Clinton left the Nation with a Surplus and not a defecit. George The Second is a typical Republican... Spend Spend Spend


This is actually incorrect. There was a PROJECTED surplus. Meaning, that if the economy had continued to boom as it did during the late 90's, there would have been one.

Of course, most people who understand economics and the tech sector realize that such projections were absurd, as the growth spawned by the tech boom was obviously unsustainable.

From: Magnum Serpentine

And thanks for calling me a leach because I cannot work. I get Social Security. And you called the program A Leach... I am seriously considering reporting your post as Abusive.


Social security is a pyramid scheme. It is mathematically guaranteed to collapse. You are essentially suggesting that it's ok to take money from people who do work, and give it to you.. even though those people will never get that money back.

Why exactly are other people responsible for you?

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Some people are Disabled and cannot work .

Do you believe that prior to social security, all disabled people just died?

I also noticed that you said the bush tax cuts only helped the top 5% of the nation... Out of curiosity, do you pay taxes at all? I'm guessing not.

Bush's tax cuts were accross the board. Everyone who paid taxes, got a tax cut. Go and look at the tax changes themselves if you doubt this.
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11-02-2005 19:26
From: Jamie Bergman
Excuse me Ulrika, but you're not an American and wouldn't understand these things, no offense.

Afterall, you just recently encouraged people to key SUVs.
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Someone who would encourage people to do something so un-American obviously doesn't understand our culture.

I'll take my red, white, and blue anyday over your pie-in-the-sky fascist state.



Who is the Fascist? Why you would have the Government not help Disabled people.

Who is the Facist, Eh?????
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11-02-2005 19:28
From: Magnum Serpentine
Who is the Fascist? Why you would have the Government not help Disabled people.

Who is the Facist, Eh?????


Fascism doesn't really have anything to do with that.. Fascism means that the state has control over everything. Indeed, a comprehensive social welfare system would most likely be an aspect of a fascist system.
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11-02-2005 19:29
From: Roland Hauptmann
This is actually incorrect. There was a PROJECTED surplus. Meaning, that if the economy had continued to boom as it did during the late 90's, there would have been one.

Of course, most people who understand economics and the tech sector realize that such projections were absurd, as the growth spawned by the tech boom was obviously unsustainable.



Social security is a pyramid scheme. It is mathematically guaranteed to collapse. You are essentially suggesting that it's ok to take money from people who do work, and give it to you.. even though those people will never get that money back.

Why exactly are other people responsible for you?


Do you believe that prior to social security, all disabled people just died?


Well lets see... Before Government intervention, African Americans had to sit in the back of the bus... They could not vote. Then the Government corrected this error.

The Government corrected another error and helped Disabled people.

And yes, prior to Social Security, A great many disabled people died or lived in the streets and begged.

And I remind you, I am not a Leach. I am Disabled. If not for the Government I would be in the street. And more than likely Dead.
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11-02-2005 19:31
From: Roland Hauptmann
Fascism doesn't really have anything to do with that.. Fascism means that the state has control over everything. Indeed, a comprehensive social welfare system would most likely be an aspect of a fascist system.



No Facist killed off disabled people. And thats what it seems these people who want to end Social Security want to do. And I remind you, before Social Security, A great many Disabled people died.
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11-02-2005 19:32
From: Magnum Serpentine
No Facist killed off disabled people. And thats what it seems these people who want to end Social Security want to do. And I remind you, before Social Security, A great many Disabled people died.

I believe you are confusing Fascism with Nazism.

And prior to social security, people tended to have famillies support them, as well as private charities.

Why exactly do you believe that you are entitled to a chunk of my pay check every month?
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11-02-2005 19:33
From: Jamie Bergman
Not so.

The American people believe what I am saying. They elected George W. Bush. I didn't elect him alone.



Explain why George the Second has a 25% approval rating now eh???

They were frightened into voting for George the Second and voter fraud in Ohio helped George also.
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11-02-2005 19:34
From: Roland Hauptmann
I believe you are confusing Fascism with Nazism.



Oh no, don't pull that one on me buster.

I read what the Right wants to do with The Disabled... Turn them back into the street.
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11-02-2005 19:36
From: Jamie Bergman
Oh please. Opinion polls are like the stock market. Sometimes their up, sometimes their down.

They don't mean a thing, unless its election day.



Well George the Second's Keeps plunging Now down to 25%
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11-02-2005 19:39
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11-02-2005 19:39
From: Magnum Serpentine
Oh no, don't pull that one on me buster.

I read what the Right wants to do with The Disabled... Turn them back into the street.


heh.. where exactly did you read that?

I'm still wondering why exactly you believe that you deserve a chunk of my pay check. Every month, I pay a good chunk of money to social security.

I'm 27 years old. I will never see a penny of the money I have contributed to social security. The system is guaranteed to collapse by the time I retire. For this reason, I have the foresight to have a totally separate retirement account for myself, which I manage myself.

So, why should I continue to contribute to social security? Because the prior generations decided that they could just push the problem off to the next generation? It's not like people didn't KNOW it's a pyramid scheme. It's not like people didn't KNOW that it would collapse, due largely to the retirement of the baby boomer generation.

Why exactly is my generation the one that needs to pay the bill?
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11-02-2005 19:39
From: Kendra Bancroft
Your Puritans may have founded the first little towns of European colonys, but I was speaking of men like Jefferson and Franklin who are our actual founding fathers and certainly not religious wacko Puritans.


Actually they did not believe in God and Jefferson created the Separation of Church and State
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11-02-2005 19:41
From: Roland Hauptmann
heh.. where exactly did you read that?

I'm still wondering why exactly you believe that you deserve a chunk of my pay check. Every month, I pay a good chunk of money to social security.

I'm 27 years old. I will never see a penny of the money I have contributed to social security. The system is guaranteed to collapse by the time I retire. For this reason, I have the foresight to have a totally separate retirement account for myself, which I manage myself.

So, why should I continue to contribute to social security? Because the prior generations decided that they could just push the problem off to the next generation? It's not like people didn't KNOW it's a pyramid scheme. It's not like people didn't KNOW that it would collapse, due largely to the retirement of the baby boomer generation.

Why exactly is my generation the one that needs to pay the bill?



I am disabled

I will never be able to work again

And you want to turn me out into the street because that is EXACTLY what will happen if George The Second is successful and destroys Social Security.

I demand an Apology.
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11-02-2005 19:42
From: Magnum Serpentine
Actually they did not believe in God and Jefferson created the Separation of Church and State


Actually, they did believe in God.. They were deists. Certainly not puritans (although some were, like John Adams), but they definitely believed in God.

I mean, hell.. have you ever read the declaration of independence?

Remember that part about being endowed by our creator?
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11-02-2005 19:44
From: Roland Hauptmann

Remember that part about being endowed by our creator?


Some are more well endowed by their creator...
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11-02-2005 19:45
From: Alexa Hope
Me too Ledje.

Would I want Bush to be my President were I an American? - NO

Do I think he is an idiot? - YES

Did he do enough and quickly enough for New Orleans? - NO

Does he give a damn about the people of America? - NO

Is God on his side? - NO supposing there is a God

Does he have a low IQ? - YES no surprise there

Does he own a poodle? - YES my Prime Minister Tony Blair

Is he pro pollution and anti green policies? - YES

Quite honestly how anyone voted for this man in the election is beyond my comprehension.

Alexa



90% of America Agrees with you
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11-02-2005 19:45
From: Roland Hauptmann
heh.. where exactly did you read that?

I'm still wondering why exactly you believe that you deserve a chunk of my pay check. Every month, I pay a good chunk of money to social security.

I'm 27 years old. I will never see a penny of the money I have contributed to social security. The system is guaranteed to collapse by the time I retire. For this reason, I have the foresight to have a totally separate retirement account for myself, which I manage myself.

So, why should I continue to contribute to social security? Because the prior generations decided that they could just push the problem off to the next generation? It's not like people didn't KNOW it's a pyramid scheme. It's not like people didn't KNOW that it would collapse, due largely to the retirement of the baby boomer generation.

Why exactly is my generation the one that needs to pay the bill?


AMEN!!!!
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11-02-2005 19:46
From: Magnum Serpentine
I am disabled

I will never be able to work again

And you want to turn me out into the street because that is EXACTLY what will happen if George The Second is successful and destroys Social Security.

I demand an Apology.


You are not my responsibilty.

Sorry.

Out of curiosity.. why can't you work? You can obviously type. Most of my job is basically typing.

Besides... You don't really seem to understand the changes to social security that have been bounced around. Most of them have focused on privatizatoin of RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS. This is not a removal of social security benefits for disabled people.

(and what exactly was I supposed to appologize for?)
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