Some Good Things George W Bush Has Done Domestically
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Jamie Bergman
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10-31-2005 17:41
From: Kendra Bancroft But you're not an extremist. I would say not. I live the normal American life in the heartland in a suburb. I like Starbucks. I like Dave Matthews Band. I like going out to dinner on dates. I'll be honest - I like my SUV. I did like the Backstreet boys when they were popular, but now I realize it was all a fad. I think I'm quite the mainstream American.
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 17:42
From: Jamie Bergman Not true. The first people to use social security paid nothing in, leaving the system with a deficit from day one. Its a bad program and needs to be ended. All it does is shift the bill from one generation to the next. Duh. What were they going to do - go to all the retirees (who, by the way, were severely displaced by the Great Depression) and tell them to cough up funds that they don't have so that then the government could send them checks?
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-31-2005 17:42
From: Jamie Bergman Oh please. Opinion polls are like the stock market. Sometimes their up, sometimes their down.
They don't mean a thing, unless its election day. In which case Bush garnered 51% of 60% of the country. Hardly "mainstream". This country was founded on liberal priciples which you and your ilk would like to do away with. I personally find your Randian brand of corporate fscism to be treasonous to the great ideals of this nation.
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Jamie Bergman
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10-31-2005 17:43
From: Juro Kothari Duh. What were they going to do - go to all the retirees (who, by the way, were severely displaced by the Great Depression) and tell them to cough up funds that they don't have so that then the government could send them checks? I'm not making any judgements. I'm just saying the facts: Social Security started with a deficit and has been shifting the bill from one generation to the next. Come on, you can't run a program like that.
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 17:44
From: Jamie Bergman I like my SUV. I did like the Backstreet boys when they were popular You should be ashamed to call yourself an American. The Backstreet Boys??!!
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Jamie Bergman
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10-31-2005 17:44
From: Kendra Bancroft In which case Bush garnered 51% of 60% of the country. Hardly "mainstream".
This country was founded on liberal priciples which you and your ilk would like to do away with. I personally find your Randian brand of corporate fscism to be treasonous to the great ideals of this nation. Again! Please! This country was founded by Puritans who were so right-wing they'd make the Libertarian party look Liberal.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-31-2005 17:44
From: Kendra Bancroft To be fair, Jaime probably doesn't think of either San Francisco or NYC as America. 
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10-31-2005 17:45
From: Juro Kothari You should be ashamed to call yourself an American. The Backstreet Boys??!!  Nobody is perfect, Juro.
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 17:45
From: Jamie Bergman I'm not making any judgements. I'm just saying the facts: Social Security started with a deficit and has been shifting the bill from one generation to the next. Come on, you can't run a program like that. Jamie - if your workforce grows every year, you have a larger pool to tap from, not to mention the increase in salaries. The problem occurs when we have an event like the Baby Boomers, where it is a very large group that will all retire around the same time with no group large enough to replace them and tap from.
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 17:46
From: Jamie Bergman  Nobody is perfect, Juro. No kidding - but the Backstreet Boys??!! Gawd.
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10-31-2005 17:46
From: Juro Kothari Jamie - if your workforce grows every year, you have a larger pool to tap from, not to mention the increase in salaries. The problem occurs when we have an event like the Baby Boomers, where it is a very large group that will all retire around the same time with no group large enough to replace them and tap from.
Come on Juro, I know that you read what you just wrote. Thats the textbook definition of a Ponzi Scheme. The difference is, Social Security is our nationalized Ponzi Scheme.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-31-2005 17:47
From: Jamie Bergman Oh please. Opinion polls are like the stock market. Sometimes their up, sometimes their down. their = possessive pronoun showing ownership they're = contraction for "they are" People are supposed to listen to you when you make mistakes like that?  ~Ulrika~
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10-31-2005 17:48
From: Jamie Bergman Again! Please!
This country was founded by Puritans who were so right-wing they'd make the Libertarian party look Liberal. Your Puritans may have founded the first little towns of European colonys, but I was speaking of men like Jefferson and Franklin who are our actual founding fathers and certainly not religious wacko Puritans.
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10-31-2005 17:52
This topic is too easy. I think I'll go back to trying to decide whether Fox News has a slant.
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Jamie Bergman
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10-31-2005 17:54
Its obvious that neither side here is going to convince the other of anything.
But you know what? I'll sleep more soundly tonight than the leftists because I know that this country is run by conservative individuals whose values and outlooks are similar to the American peoples'.
God Bless America!!
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 17:54
From: Jamie Bergman Thats the textbook definition of a Ponzi Scheme.
Ponzi Schemes are fraudulent.
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 17:56
From: Jamie Bergman Its obvious that neither side here is going to convince the other of anything. But you know what? I'll sleep more soundly tonight than the leftists because I know that this country is run by conservative individuals whose values and outlooks are similar to the American peoples'. God Bless America!! Not similar to this American's! It would probably benefit you to quit lumping 'American' into such a big, pro-Bushie group - 1/2 of them aren't dear Jamie.
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10-31-2005 17:58
From: someone I'm not making any judgements. I'm just saying the facts: Social Security started with a deficit and has been shifting the bill from one generation to the next.
Come on, you can't run a program like that. Actually starting in 1983 there was a Social Security surplus that was then filtered to pay off the national debt. That is before the trust fund baby became President and spent the budget surplus and the social security surplus. I know facts get in the way.
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-31-2005 18:03
From: Neehai Zapata Actually starting in 1983 there was a Social Security surplus that was then filtered to pay off the national debt.
That is before the trust fund baby became President and spent the budget surplus and the social security surplus.
I know facts get in the way. Oh yeah! Geee --remember when everyone was making fun of Gore for saying "lockbox" when he talked about that surplus. Heee that was sooooooo funny!
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10-31-2005 18:05
From: Rose Karuna While you may be correct in your deduction that the U.S. Government took no direct action to destroy the levys as has been presented in theory by various people, I do feel that the U.S. Government had a direct responsibility for the levys not being strong enough to hold. . Last time I checked, states were soverign...do they not bear any of the blame for what happened? Apparently not. As far as you're concerned it's GWB all the way. Apparently the state as a whole, like many of the unfortunate, displaced citizens were waiting for the Federal government to come to the rescue. Oh, and let us not lose sight of the fact that this was not your standard run of the mill hurricane. Who is to say that a levy of any strength would have held. From: Rose Karuna Here is a little Time Line:
I know you said that you think the government bears the blame for the weak levy...so shall I assume you mean any government that has been in place since the levy has been constructed? Or are you just talking about GWD? I will assume the latter since he is the subject of the thread. Where to start...ok....is anyone, ANYONE unfamiliar with the fact that New Orleans has been below sea level for hundreds (thousands?) of years? I'll assume not. With that in mind, this is not a new issue that New Orleans is facing. This is not a GWB issue. This is a New Orleans issue. Maybe is their mayor didn't come off like a mad man he would be able to get some funding. From: Rose Karuna Actions speak a lot louder to me than hugs. Appoint qualified people, fund critical projects and infrastructure, that is what a leader should do, not hug people... Since when is a hug not an action? This emphasized my point about local leadership in New Orleans and Louisiania...they may not have the most qualified people down there. Not just now, but dating back to when the first hurricane ever hit down there. Oh, and unless you show me that GWB himself vetoed bills that would have provided pre-emptive assistance with respect to N.O.'s infrastructure, it would make more sense to talk to your local representitive about this. From: Rose Karuna So pardon me if I puke. I hope it's not Avian bird flu! From: Rose Karuna Particularly when I go home tonight to a dark house, lines a *ucking mile long for gasoline and no fresh food, no traffic signals and no one except very tired and stressed local law enforcement to direct traffic. I'm sorry to hear about your situation...but you are aware that you live in a state that resides in hurricane alley? For everything that's great about Florida, this is one thing that certainly resides in the area of "not" good. If you get tired of blaming GWB you can always blame [insert higher being that you deem responsible for weather here]. From: Rose Karuna While I have to compliment the state of Florida (and the various cities and business's) responses to Wilma - we have not seen much improvement from FEMA. It's not like anyone can get ahold of them to report anything. From what I see here, it's the same old, same old. We here in S. Florida were just lucky that it was not worse than it was and that we live in a "state" of perpetual Hurricane panic and we are semi prepared for it. And why is this? Because most floridians are familiar with the concept of a hurricane. Category 5 aka Get the Hell Out of Town. Why N.O. residents thought it was just a passing drizze is beyond me...but I digress. If you were trying to make an argument for GWB's ineffectiveness with regard to Katrina then it rings hollow. I maintain that he did, and continues to do, a fine job.
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-31-2005 18:07
From: Paige Diamond Since when is a hug not an action?. When it's a cheap meaningless photo-op?
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Paige Diamond
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10-31-2005 18:09
From: Anya Dmytryk me, get out of dreamland. says the person who thinks bush is a great leader. ROFL!!!!!!! i'm happy that you believe the lies and deceptions of bush's government. have fun in YOUR dreamland. Your response confirms my suspicion that you are clueless as to how politics and business work. Your post requires no further response as it does nothing to rebut my statement...just your standard personal attack. And my dreamland is great...it's called America!
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10-31-2005 18:12
From: Kendra Bancroft When it's a cheap meaningless photo-op? Nope...I'm pretty sure that it's still an action. And so what if it's a photo op. Whats your point? Should he have told the camera to go away after all the public did for days was ask where the government response was? And seriously folks...I propose that SL host some online political science classes. What kind of candy coated, rose colored world do you folks live in.
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Jamie Bergman
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10-31-2005 18:12
From: Paige Diamond Last time I checked, states were soverign...do they not bear any of the blame for what happened? Apparently not. As far as you're concerned it's GWB all the way. Apparently the state as a whole, like many of the unfortunate, displaced citizens were waiting for the Federal government to come to the rescue. Oh, and let us not lose sight of the fact that this was not your standard run of the mill hurricane. Who is to say that a levy of any strength would have held.
I know you said that you think the government bears the blame for the weak levy...so shall I assume you mean any government that has been in place since the levy has been constructed? Or are you just talking about GWD? I will assume the latter since he is the subject of the thread.
Where to start...ok....is anyone, ANYONE unfamiliar with the fact that New Orleans has been below sea level for hundreds (thousands?) of years? I'll assume not.
With that in mind, this is not a new issue that New Orleans is facing. This is not a GWB issue. This is a New Orleans issue. Maybe is their mayor didn't come off like a mad man he would be able to get some funding.
Since when is a hug not an action?
This emphasized my point about local leadership in New Orleans and Louisiania...they may not have the most qualified people down there. Not just now, but dating back to when the first hurricane ever hit down there.
Oh, and unless you show me that GWB himself vetoed bills that would have provided pre-emptive assistance with respect to N.O.'s infrastructure, it would make more sense to talk to your local representitive about this.
I hope it's not Avian bird flu!
I'm sorry to hear about your situation...but you are aware that you live in a state that resides in hurricane alley? For everything that's great about Florida, this is one thing that certainly resides in the area of "not" good. If you get tired of blaming GWB you can always blame [insert higher being that you deem responsible for weather here].
And why is this? Because most floridians are familiar with the concept of a hurricane. Category 5 aka Get the Hell Out of Town. Why N.O. residents thought it was just a passing drizze is beyond me...but I digress.
If you were trying to make an argument for GWB's ineffectiveness with regard to Katrina then it rings hollow. I maintain that he did, and continues to do, a fine job. I agree with everything you said. 100%. This is what I'm talking about... this is the voice of America!!
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-31-2005 18:15
From: Jamie Bergman I agree with everything you said. 100%.
This is what I'm talking about... this is the voice of America!! It's the voice of confused masses spoonfed lies from the corporate media.
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