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Some Good Things George W Bush Has Done Domestically

Rose Karuna
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10-31-2005 14:00
From: Paige Diamond
I have been a SL member for quite a while but have never felt quite as compelled to post as I feel now.

Despite what Jesse Jackson and Minister Fahraakan (possible misspelling for one of the most racist political/religious figures in the US) would like you to believe, the government did not cause the levy's to break in order to displace many people living in New Orleans....yet GWB took blame for the response of the government. He also made a point to replace the head of FEMA (the TRUE person responsible for the delayed response).

These are acts of a leader, one that should be recgonized for his great leadership ability.

There have been two disasters that GWB has presided over..and he has stepped up to the plate each time.

I will always remember GWB talking to the rescue workers in MYC after 9/11
and
I will always remember GWB hugging the young Aferican American girl after Katrina.

God Bless America!


While you may be correct in your deduction that the U.S. Government took no direct action to destroy the levys as has been presented in theory by various people, I do feel that the U.S. Government had a direct responsibility for the levys not being strong enough to hold.

Here is a little Time Line:

From: someone
January 2001 Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.

April 2001 Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May, Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."

Pre 9/11 2001 FEMA designates the "three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country": a hurricane in New Orleans, a massive earthquake in San Francisco, and a terrorist attack in New York City.

December 2002 After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy, Michael Brown, who, like Allbaugh, has no previous experience in disaster management.

March 2003 FEMA is downgraded from a cabinet level position and folded into the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission is refocused on fighting acts of terrorism.


May 2003 Under its new organization chart within DHS, FEMA's preparation and planning functions are reassigned to a new Office of Preparedness and Response. FEMA will henceforth focus only on response and recovery.

Summer 2004 FEMA denies Louisiana's pre-disaster mitigation funding requests. Says Jefferson Parish flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue: "You would think we would get maximum consideration....This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."

June 2004 The Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee construction in New Orleans is slashed. Jefferson Parish emergency management chiefs Walter Maestri comments: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay."

June 2005 Funding for the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is cut by a record $71.2 million. One of the hardest-hit areas is the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, which was created after the May 1995 flood to improve drainage in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany parishes.


Actions speak a lot louder to me than hugs. Appoint qualified people, fund critical projects and infrastructure, that is what a leader should do, not hug people...

So pardon me if I puke.

Particularly when I go home tonight to a dark house, lines a *ucking mile long for gasoline and no fresh food, no traffic signals and no one except very tired and stressed local law enforcement to direct traffic.

While I have to compliment the state of Florida (and the various cities and business's) responses to Wilma - we have not seen much improvement from FEMA. It's not like anyone can get ahold of them to report anything. From what I see here, it's the same old, same old. We here in S. Florida were just lucky that it was not worse than it was and that we live in a "state" of perpetual Hurricane panic and we are semi prepared for it.
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10-31-2005 14:01
So you truely believe that a tax break that benifits 1% of Americans is fair. I mean come on shelly. Come on
Jamie Bergman
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10-31-2005 14:06
From: JackBurton Faulkland
So you truely believe that a tax break that benifits 1% of Americans is fair. I mean come on shelly. Come on


What was UNFAIR was that that 1% of the population was being taxed out of proportion to the rest of the population to BEGIN with.

This is just a reversion back to justice and fairness. Nothing more.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-31-2005 14:42
From: Jamie Bergman
For one thing, he cut taxes a LOT. I know a lot of people (including my parents) who are quite stoked about this - especially the elimination of the death tax (inheretance tax) - and really think GWB is doing a great job.
Your parents are "stoked" because they're selfish and possibly stupid. My family has received substantial tax cuts but are troubled by the growing disparity between the rich and poor and a government that is spending well beyond its means. Tax-and-spend liberals have been replaced by debt-and-spend conservatives.

From: someone
Because people will get to keep more of their income, they will work harder, making this country more productive.
This is a false statement. I am keeping more of my money and am working no harder.

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He's tried to privatize the system but kinda met with a lot of resistance from people who don't understand that our government cannot continue to pay people not to work.
This is a non sequitur.

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Finally, he has reformed medicare and medicaid so that you can't just run to the emergency room everytime you cut your finger.
I have some of the best health insurance money can buy, a PPO that allows me to visit the best doctors in the City. Even then, I have co-pays, deductables, and percentage fees that can drive the cost of a serious treatment as high as US$3000 a year for a family. I can't imagine how hard it is for those with average incomes, let alone being one of the 75 million people in the U.S. with no health-care coverage at all. :(

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Just my opinion.
Your stereotypical right-wing viewpoints smack of weak follow-the-leader punditry and lack the kind of deep thought our country needs to solve its many problems.

~Ulrika~
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10-31-2005 15:10
You Americans think that your government sucks? Try moving to Poland. Incompetent mayor of the capital city (where I live in) was appointed president. His twin brother is the power behind the throne, having the whole ruling party (including the prime minister) under control. The runner-up in the election, the liberals, refuse to cooperate with people who use the slogans about "Law" and "Justice" while trying to ally with a party of socialist rabble-rousers whose chairman had a couple of really spectacular run-ins with the law (including, but not limited to, slander and destruction of private property). The country is a mess after scandals uncovered during the rule of social-democratic party. The political system is even a bigger mess - I can't describe it properly, as the "right" is in fact as "left" as the "left", with one difference that the "right" is religious (even fanatic sometimes) while the "left" is not, changing the political parties is a common practice (even with such incredible shifts as going from "right" to "left" or from agrary-centred socialists to nationalists - anything to stay in the government...), bureaucracy and corruption thrive and generally the first thing you want to do after hearing the news is taking a gun - the bigger the better - and shooting someone.
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10-31-2005 15:12
From: Paige Diamond
Are you familiar with politics, business, or a hybrid of the two?

Has anyone ever been "let go" from your place of business?

Apparently not.

Leaders and politicians (most successful ones anyway) rarely just hang someone out to dry in the manner you are implying. GWB knows Mike Brown did a crap job...so he have him a b.s. "Thank you" and moved on.

Get out of dreamland. This is just how things are done in these arenas.


me, get out of dreamland. says the person who thinks bush is a great leader. ROFL!!!!!!!
i'm happy that you believe the lies and deceptions of bush's government. have fun in YOUR dreamland.
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10-31-2005 15:13
From: Jamie Bergman
The government exists to provide national defense, uniform standardizations, and various other tasks vital for the day-to-day operation of a modern society. Its not there to be a social safety net.

What the President is doing is cutting some of that fat that has been allowed to build and make us a stronger, more nimble enterprise.


yep, it's supposed to be for NATIONAL defense. which the bush government is not providing because it decided to fight an unneccessary war.

this really comes down to the age old argument between democrats & republicans. it's obvious that you are extremely conservative and i'm extremely liberal. we can go back and forth on this until we die and never reach an agreement.

btw jamie, you seem awfully excited about your parent tax cuts and how much they are benefitting from the bush administration. i wonder what their household income is? i'm guessing it's higher than the average american family. otherwise, they wouldn't be so happy with bush's plans.
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Juro Kothari
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10-31-2005 15:38
Yes! Let's talk about all the good things he's done, for example:

Leave No Child Behind Act - OK, well, this *would* have been a good program if it had been properly funded as called for - now, it's just a joke.

Clear Skies - allows for 520% more Mercury pollution than the Clean Air Act, allows for 68% more Nitrogen Oxide pollution (think: smog), allows for 225% more Sulphur Dioxide pollution (acid rain anyone?). So much for 'Clear Skies'.

Yep - bang up job.
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10-31-2005 15:44
From: Jamie Bergman
I think people tend to forget W has done a lot domestically to help out this nation.

For one thing, he cut taxes a LOT. I know a lot of people (including my parents) who are quite stoked about this - especially the elimination of the death tax (inheretance tax) - and really think GWB is doing a great job. I'm also digging it because it means that when the time comes, I'll have to give the government less of my parent's hard earned assets.


Yeah, but what about those of us that aren't in that upper ten percent or so of wealth, eh?

From: someone

Also, he is trying to reform social security so that everybody leeching off of it doesn't crash the nation. He's tried to privatize the system but kinda met with a lot of resistance from people who don't understand that our government cannot continue to pay people not to work. Its YOUR retirement, so you should have to save for it. My two cents, at least.


LEECHING? Do you have the slightest idea how Social Security WORKS?

Those getting Social Security are getting the money THEY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM. Ideally, SS works as a trust fund; while it DOES have obvious problems, "leeches" are not one of them.

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Finally, he has reformed medicare and medicaid so that you can't just run to the emergency room everytime you cut your finger. Medicaid is especially bad because those people don't pay any insurance premiums..medicare is slightly less worse because people have paid into it through FICA over the years... but they still are taking out more than they put in.


People who run to the emergency room because they don't have any insurance and that's the only option they have for medical treatment.

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W is moving the country in the right direction.. people have to realize that nothing is free. If you want something in life, you have to work for it. There is no free lunch. Stop eating mine.


Ironically, I believe the same thing... and a guy who'd be a used car salesman in Texas if he didn't have George H.W. Bush as his daddy ain't working for shit.
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10-31-2005 17:21
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Your parents are "stoked" because they're selfish and possibly stupid. My family has received substantial tax cuts but are troubled by the growing disparity between the rich and poor and a government that is spending well beyond its means. Tax-and-spend liberals have been replaced by debt-and-spend conservatives.

This is a false statement. I am keeping more of my money and am working no harder.

This is a non sequitur.

I have some of the best health insurance money can buy, a PPO that allows me to visit the best doctors in the City. Even then, I have co-pays, deductables, and percentage fees that can drive the cost of a serious treatment as high as US$3000 a year for a family. I can't imagine how hard it is for those with average incomes, let alone being one of the 75 million people in the U.S. with no health-care coverage at all. :(

Your stereotypical right-wing viewpoints smack of weak follow-the-leader punditry and lack the kind of deep thought our country needs to solve its many problems.

~Ulrika~


Excuse me Ulrika, but you're not an American and wouldn't understand these things, no offense.

Afterall, you just recently encouraged people to key SUVs.
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Someone who would encourage people to do something so un-American obviously doesn't understand our culture.

I'll take my red, white, and blue anyday over your pie-in-the-sky fascist state.
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10-31-2005 17:23
From: Jamie Bergman
Kendra, this is the second time you've implied that I'm a neo-conservative. In fact, I'm just a middle of the road American who wants justice. Please stop implying that I'm an extremist.



I wasn't implying. I think your views are out of step with mainstream America. Sorry.
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10-31-2005 17:24
From: Jamie Bergman
Excuse me Ulrika, but you're not an American and wouldn't understand these things, no offense.

Afterall, you just recently encouraged people to key SUVs.

Someone who would encourage people to do something so un-American obviously doesn't understand our culture.

Ooooohhhhhh.... yes! Toss out the 'Un-American' label when someone has view opposing you and your self-elected president. Nice job.
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10-31-2005 17:24
From: Kendra Bancroft
I wasn't implying. I think you're views are out of step with mainstream America. Sorry.


Not so.

The American people believe what I am saying. They elected George W. Bush. I didn't elect him alone.
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10-31-2005 17:25
From: Juro Kothari

Ooooohhhhhh.... yes! Toss out the 'Un-American' label when someone has view opposing you and your self-elected president. Nice job.


LOL. Anyone who encourages others to "key SUVs" is an extremist and totally not American.

Plus, given the fact Ulrika lives outside the US, makes her "un-American" by definition.
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10-31-2005 17:26
From: Jamie Bergman
Not so.

The American people believe what I am saying. They elected George W. Bush. I didn't elect him alone.

Oh please - what, like every single American voted for that monkey? I sure as hell didn't and I'm every bit as American as you are Jamie.
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10-31-2005 17:27
From: Jamie Bergman
LOL. Anyone who encourages others to "key SUVs" is an extremist and totally not American.

Plus, given the fact Ulrika lives outside the US, makes her "un-American" by definition.

Oh - so an extremist is not American? Good - someone phone the Whitehouse IMMEDIATELY!!

Even extremists are Americans, Jamie - quit being so exlusionary.

Oh, and the last time I checked (Ulrika, correct me if I'm wrong) Ulrika lived here in the U.S.
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10-31-2005 17:28
From: Anya Dmytryk

btw jamie, you seem awfully excited about your parent tax cuts and how much they are benefitting from the bush administration. i wonder what their household income is? i'm guessing it's higher than the average american family. otherwise, they wouldn't be so happy with bush's plans.


Honestly, I have no idea how much they make. Probably average, though.
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10-31-2005 17:31
From: Jamie Bergman
Honestly, I have no idea how much they make. Probably average, though.

In 2003, the median household income was $43,318. If they're benefitting from GWB's tax cuts - they are probably making much more than that - not that there's anything wrong with making lots and lots of money.
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10-31-2005 17:31
From: Jamie Bergman
Not so.

The American people believe what I am saying. They elected George W. Bush. I didn't elect him alone.



With his 35% approval rating, I would say anyone who still supports this failure of a President is seriously out of the mainstream.

BTW Ulrika is quite American.
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10-31-2005 17:36
From: Jamie Bergman
Excuse me Ulrika, but you're not an American and wouldn't understand these things, no offense.
I live in San Francisco, knuckle head. :D

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10-31-2005 17:37
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LEECHING? Do you have the slightest idea how Social Security WORKS?

Those getting Social Security are getting the money THEY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM. Ideally, SS works as a trust fund; while it DOES have obvious problems, "leeches" are not one of them.



Not true. The first people to use social security paid nothing in, leaving the system with a deficit from day one. Its a bad program and needs to be ended.

All it does is shift the bill from one generation to the next.
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10-31-2005 17:38
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I live in San Francisco, knuckle head. :D

~Ulrika~


My bad.
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10-31-2005 17:39
From: Jamie Bergman
Not true. The first people to use social security paid nothing in, leaving the system with a deficit from day one. Its a bad program and needs to be ended.

All it does is shift the bill from one generation to the next.



But you're not an extremist.
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10-31-2005 17:39
From: Kendra Bancroft
With his 35% approval rating, I would say anyone who still supports this failure of a President is seriously out of the mainstream.

BTW Ulrika is quite American.


Oh please. Opinion polls are like the stock market. Sometimes their up, sometimes their down.

They don't mean a thing, unless its election day.
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10-31-2005 17:40
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I live in San Francisco, knuckle head. :D

~Ulrika~


To be fair, Jaime probably doesn't think of either San Francisco or NYC as America.
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