Who thinks the 2004 election was "stolen" ?

complete with the physical impairments as well!

OMG, not this again????

You lost, get over it... quit your pathetic whining.

It was the FIC

Lets try this... In Ohio, Governer Taft made sure that there were 100 Democrats for every 1 voting machine in their district, and there were 10 Voting machines for every 1 Republican in the Repubnik districts.

Then in Florida. In districts where 80% were democrat... How do you explain 90% of the vote going Republican?

Mass Voter Fraud= Republican party

Opinion by Magnum Serpentine

Actually the system did not work. Exit polls do not fail that badily. They showed Kerry winning with 52% of the vote in Ohio. Only with the assistance of the Currupt Taft Administration did the Currupt King George the Second Administration get Ohio.

You do understand that polls are not 100% accurate and contain a margin of error.

But I realize this will turn into the usual arguments that Bush has the brainpower and resources to steal the election, conspired to kill 3000 US civilians by faking a terror attack using remote controlled planes, etc. etc.

I'm sure its comforting in a way to think that he has this much control and by removing him will solve all our problems. Because the alternative, that we have a flawed system with nobody truly in control and the events since 2000 have been more or less a lot of independant events coupled with blind stumbling in response all of which are resulting in a direction with no one at the helm is far more frightening.

And top that off with the irregularities in some states...I lived in Florida at the time. Had to drive past two predominantly black polling places on election day. Never saw a state police car on that road in the year I drove that way....but on election day, I counted four, cruising around and all within a mile or two of those precincts...but nowhere else on the road. Can you say 'keeping down the traditionally democratic black vote via intimidation?' I KNEW you could!

can we say racist? I KNEW you could!

The racist part was republican suppression of the black vote, Billy.

and the automatic assumption of black= democrat? and the fact that cops were all over pretty much every precinct. There have been state troopers standing outside my precinct almost everytime that I can remember.

Feel free, but I find it funny that its racist to point out white republicans trying to minimze minority voter turnout. Sadly, and you may not want to belive this, but in some rural parts of florida, you can still get pulled over for DWB (driving while black). Couple of the rural state police posts were rather bad about that, as were some county sherriffs departments. These are mostly republican areas of the state.

Know quite a lot of friends and coworkers that got pulled over and harassed for what amounts to passing through an area. None of them ever arrested or charged since they weren't doing anything illegal, just bothered in certain areas.

What about the democratic suppression of the military vote?

It works both ways and both parties suck.

You must live in the projects of a big city or something. I've NEVER seen a police car at any precinct up until that election (other than off duty officers voting and leaving). Big difference between voting and an excessive police presence (that, BTW, wasn't at the mostly white/hispanic polling place where I voted).

try south GA, you know right across the border from FLA

She didn't really ask the "hard questions". She said incendiary things to get on the Sunday talk shows. Don't try to paint her as some sort of hero. She's a partisan mudslinger who likes to get her name in the papers, like so many in Congress.


I love this kind of attitude. And people complain about Washington being partisan and nasty! Why do you think that is? Because people demand it. Sad, sad. Why can't we focus on real issues, like poverty and women's rights, instead of moaning about how my candidate lost because of what the big bad men did?


First of all, cite the poll, or your claim is irrelevant. There are lots of exit polls. Find the one that said what you claim. I gaurantee they did not all have that result.
Secondly, exit polls are not part of "the system." They're sponsored by the news media. They have nothing whatever to do with the electoral process, and yes they do fail badly, often.
The job of exit polls is not to give an accurate outcome of the election. The job of exit polls is to give the news media something to report before the actual counting occurs. If counting can be wrong a lot, so can exit polls.
You'd have to have little to no comprehension of polling in general to make a ridiculous statement like "Exit polls do not fail that badly." All kinds of polling dramatically fails all the time; there's nothing about exit polling that makes it involiate. The only reason you think they're so great is because they showed your candidate winning. If the situation were the reverse, you'd be whining about the exit polls being wrong.
Don't make like you're some kind of world's expert on exit polling. Exit polls screw up and fail, just like other polls. When there's high turnout especially - as there was in 2004 - exit polls fail to identify the right statistical pools of voters to ask. Ohio, like many other states, had a jump in voter registration in 2004, and those new voters weren't identified by the polling firms to be part of their exit polls. Any election that has very high or very low turnout can mess up exit polls, it happens all the time.

show me evidence that it took place.

Why should he? You didn't!

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Have a party

I'll look for a link. I am referring to the democrats trying to block the counting of votes from the military which were allegedly recieved late, while at the same time arguing to have new votes in Florida be included on the basis that every vote is important and technicalties should not be strictly enforced.

yeah good luck with that.

Actually, Kendra, being so far left wing that I'm nearly falling off the bird, I still have to say there's some truth to that. Some Democrats were involved but so were Republicans, both sides were afraid that the military vote would swing things in a specific direction.

Much appreciated.

it happens everytime, usually with troops stationed overseas, like South Korea and in Europe.

An article isn't proof, dear. If you need to look up the word to understand what I'm looking for, try dictionary.com. I can find an article proving damn near anything.