Abortion takes a human life away.

Give them attention, and thus, a reason to exist. What can I say? I'm a giver

Kevn is such a troll. End of story.

Well, I'm going to heaven, but I'm pretty sure you'll be left behind.

Where do aborted zygotes go?

It might also be killing the next Hitler, not the next dotting old grandfart.

That said, I basicly agree, although I find myself not caring overmuch. About anything up to the end of the first trimester, anyhow.

You can't just make wild claims like that! I want to see research, links, news articles!

-Kiamat Dusk

OPINION OPINION and OPINION.

Dang when will you ever stop!!!!!

For the record: Human life starts the moment after birth. not before.

Also opinion, and, last I checked, you both were entitled to your own.

No we are not talking about basic rights... We are talking about the Will of the Fundamentalist church and how it wants to control the nation.

Somehow I knew you would show up

And I am stating a fact not opinion.

I've been here.

And no, you are stating exactly the same opinion as Kevn is stating - that you know, conclusivly, when human life begins. Last I checked, you had no measureable fraction of omniscience, so...

Thats not my diffination thats the AMA's

You know... American Medical Association.

As far as Ominiscience, neither do you......

The World Wonders

Right.

And if the AMA said otherwise, would it then be a fact? Other medical orginizations, in this country and elsewhere, have other definitions.

Rather, what AMA sets down as a guideline is their opinion on the issue. Since they, too, lack omniscience, that's all it ultimatly is.

Now, you can define life in such a way that you become correct - that's easy. However, again, without omniscience you can't answer the actual question. You can simply rephrase it in such a way as answering the actual question becomes meaningless.

And, for the record, I'm not the one claiming to know - I doubt you could guess my position on abortion even if you read my opinion on abortion and then tried to repeat it.

To me, that OPINION is just as extreme as Kevn's. So it's a dead unalive thing that is kicking, blinking and sleeping inside the mother? I thought a fetus is considered legally viable at 24 weeks.

Well, you sound like you have never had the experience of touching a pregnant womans belly during the third trimester when the baby is very alive and active.

It's my opinion that human life starts before birth, but way after conception.

Briana Dawson

Ok, so the real arguement is that the potential for life is equal to already living (we all know babies develop and are not implanted by a stork, they are not 'alive' at the point of conception).

So masturbation = mass murder?

If you can concider an unborn child, or even an undeveloped child for that matter, to be a living independant being, then why not include sperm? It's more alive then an undeveloped baby. Sperm can exist without a host unlike a undeveloped child which 'lives' more as a paracite 'lives'.

Lets see... AMA is neutral
The United Nations says the same thing as the AMA... and it too is Neutral

The other so-called medical associations are Fundamentalist.

AMA is neutral why?

The united nations is neutral why?

The other "so called medical assosiations" are fundamentalist why?

And why do I suspect the answer is going to be "because they define life as beginning at birth" for the first two, and the opposite for the third?

Again, at what point do opinions, derived from a position of ignorant non-omniscience, become fact? When you agree with them?

Actually, its more that those are based on scientific evidence rather then emotional response spawned from bible morality.

What evidence?

And if the last bit was a shot at me, don't bother - you don't know my position on the arguement.

"although a zygote is genetically unique from its parents from the moment a diploid organism is formed; it is possible for that zygote to split into two or more zygotes up until 14 or 15 days after fertilization."

Seems odd to concider something that can still become TWO+ people a single living being at conception.

Point being, "the moment at which a unique individual human forms is the not the moment when its genetic code is determined, but rather the moment when the zygote can no longer split into multiple individuals."

Scientifically speaking, life never starts, it is continuous. The parents are alive, their sperm and ovum are alive, the zygote is alive. It's just that these cells have different values placed upon them at different times. The religious argument, with the goal of limiting female reproductive freedom, is trying to artificially push the value of a living human all the way back to a zygote at the moment of conception, when in reality it is just a lump of tissue.

Depends on where it is in the developmental cycle. In many cases, it's quite possible, yes.

If you give birth to a child you get one more taxpayer.. sooner or later.. not al but most.

/Tina

Lets see what the Bible says about killing children.

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)