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07-14-2005 15:52
From: Euterpe Roo I dunno. Where do nihilists like to hang out? Wait! I know the answer to that one: coffee houses, poetry readings, teaching assistant bullpens, bars with carpet on the walls, law libraries . .  If you know the answer whjy ask the question lol. It doesn't matter where Nihilists hang out cause noone there matters anyway.
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07-14-2005 16:03
From: Ellie Edo Hi Jake I got a big one for you. I like big ones. Maybe its because I'm trying to compensate for having a small one (oh whoops, I meant "small ones"  . Here it is: Why do any attempts to probe deeply into the nature of the universe necessarily encounter paradox? Is it because we are actually impossible ? Paradox is defined as: 1. A seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true: the paradox that standing is more tiring than walking. 2. One exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory aspects: "The silence of midnight, to speak truly, though apparently a paradox, rung in my ears" (Mary Shelley). 3. An assertion that is essentially self-contradictory, though based on a valid deduction from acceptable premises. 4.A statement contrary to received opinion. Well I think one answer is that we find paradox when our technical understanding of the nature of the universe lacks the knowlege to accurately describe a forseeable result. We have a paradox until we have sufficient understanding to reconcile the contradiction. Of course the answer Iwould give from my own philosophical perspective is that only a mind limited by logic would see a problem with a paradox, and enlightened mind simple sees that both possibilites could be true. But then I am a Zen Buddhist, and to western eyes, paradox is seemingly the essence of zen. Where the logical mind sees paradox and is trapped the enlightened mind sees nothing and is set free.
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07-14-2005 16:04
Could you explain this? (Or, indentify who's words these are.) From: someone We have no NEED of time clocks. The proto-Overman RANTS! Or not. The Overman-to-be knows he is no less brainless than the Normals yet by "Bob's" grace puts "Bob's" money where HIS mouth is. SAY it, brothers! Those little prairie squid are GREAT, but the "rantings" of the inspired proto-Overman, even in the face of THOUSANDS of False Jesii, (YES! Praise "Bob"!) is our only hope against the coming of the loathesome Yog-Sothoth. This is REALITY! Any useless pawn of the Anti-"Bob", which wants nothing less than to DEVOUR the WORLD, it is the HOOK behind the wriggling WORM of False Slack! Yes, it is the source of all we HATE! With this church, Salvation is only 30 BUCKS!
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07-14-2005 16:20
seems like a quote from J random Chaos who also seems to have said this:
"Monday, June 24, 2002 ] AntiSlack is a LIVING FORCE! It cannot, yet MUST BE resisted! Whatever survives gibbers BLANKLY from emptiness, it's coming EVER FASTER! And "Bob" is our only hope! The Conspiracy tools cannot understand the REALITY of Yog-Sothoth which controls willing puppet puppets like the Yacatisma and would DENY you his newest ShorDurPerSav and is the opposite of everything we learn from Bulldada! Yes! Yes, BEYOND evil! Don't be FOOLED! You KNOW the sanctified union of SubGenii under the Short-Term Marriage, like the AntiMusic performed at Dokstock and at Devivals everywhere, comes from the Luck Plane. Its essential NATURE spreads with the smoke from the True Pipe!
Reveling in the Prairie Squid, the Yeti spawn says OR KILL ME! A true spawn of the Yeti has no NEED to be "cool," but BECOMES himself the Slack he buys from "Bob"! SAY it, brothers! Why is the Yeti spawn lucky? Because only the spawn of the Yeti finds Habafropzipulops, the Herb of the Gods. He (without wires or strings) ("Bob" willing) is FREE from the IDIOTIC bonds of Pink churches. The Yeti spawn instinctively KNOWS how the essence of OverMan (or OverWOMAN)hood, despite the lies of the False Prophets, will EXPLODE at the intersection of the Time Planes and is a mere shadow of reality as perceived after the Third Nostril is opened. You should be SURFING the Luck Plane! Those little prairie squid are GREAT, but the Revealed Word of "Bob", like the love of "Bob" Himself will be part of that stark fist of RETRIEVAL, coming SOON, that is part of the genetic heritage of the ancient Yetis!
As a proto-Overman you are Blessed! Yes, that One True Yeti Mate is yours for the TAKING. The Overman-to-be needs no Head Launching to refill his Slack. Yet he still CASTS OUT the Mediocretins, the foolish Cage Rats. The proto-Overman puts "Bob's" money where HIS mouth is. Don't be FOOLED! You KNOW slack itself, which IS "Bob," planned for us by WOTAN, comes from the Luck Plane. Its essential NATURE is DOOMED to perish in flames without Dobbs! Don't feel GUILTY! Guilt is for PINKS! What about the Mediocretins? I'll tell you about the DROOLING Cage Rats who are DOOMED, their souls will be tasty TREATS for the PITILESS one, Nhee Ghee! They oppress the Overman-to-be like FETTERS on a FELON! Strike them off! They will be annihilated by the great stalking Heads on X-Day! So TAKE it! If you think you got it, you DIDN'T get it!"
Now in Cthulu Mythos: Yog-Sothoth is an Outer God and is conterminous with all time and space, yet is supposedly locked outside of the universe that we inhabit. Like most beings in the mythos, to see it or learn too much about it is to court disaster.
and Vovoid taught us (in the song The Tower):
he is anark can you hear the sound of the phantom bell people gather around burn in his half-world hell proto-overman user of the dead hand to the tower he is anark screams that calm the wind hear the black birds shriek death is your last breath we have one enemy proto-overman user of the dead hand to the tower he is anark dark dance break of dusk cold wind time to kill eyes closed see his blood fear not tomorrow will proto-overman user of the dead hand to the tower...
So frankly J Random Chaos sounds to me like he spends way to much time on his computer, reading about cthulu, watching the 700 club and blaring Vovoid.
As far as meaning, I give you Shakespear: A tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Macbeth, 5. 5
(sorry about the idiot comment-it was shakespears quote, not my real meaning.
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07-14-2005 16:59
geee Jake you know everything....lol How in the world do you find the time?? 
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07-14-2005 17:09
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
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07-14-2005 17:18
Well Garoad I should have known SJG was involved. Alas, my SJG expereince is limited to Gurps Traveller of late and I did not thing to look there on the web, or at Robert Anton Wilson.
But what can you do. PLay Illuminati New World Order more I guess.
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07-14-2005 17:20
From: Roseann Flora geee Jake you know everything....lol How in the world do you find the time??  I squeeze learing in between depositions and trials. Its amazing what you can accomplish when you get paid to sit around for 8 hours to ask five questions.
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07-14-2005 17:28
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
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07-14-2005 18:24
I have one. If the universe is infinite, AND it is expanding. Where is it expanding too?
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07-14-2005 20:53
From: Devlin Gallant I have one. If the universe is infinite, AND it is expanding. Where is it expanding too? It is not expanding to anywhere. To implies a fixed point. In an infinite univers there is no " to." The universe is expanding away from the big bang.
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07-14-2005 21:19
From: Jake Reitveld If you know the answer whjy ask the question lol.
It doesn't matter where Nihilists hang out cause noone there matters anyway. Now, who is asking the questions here?  P.S. I will stop now  . This is really a great thread! <Pats Jake on the back, gives him a Gatorade and a Cliff's Bar. Go, go, go!  >
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07-14-2005 21:31
Jumping in on this thread way late, having not read entirely all the posts, just to say that my cat licks plastic. Especially the plastic grocery bags. I thought that was his own eccentricity, but now, with your cat's similar propensity, I think there must be something in plastic grocery bags that cats like. It's kind of dangerous, too, and we keep the grocery bags off the floor, cause it also tends to make him want to pee - not so much now as when he was younger, but still... coco
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07-14-2005 22:05
From: Ilianexsi Sojourner I have another one.... why does my cat have a strange compulsion to chew holes in every piece of plastic she finds? She doesn't chew holes in other materials, just plastic. She especially enjoys chewing through one handle of every grocery bag she can find. What's up with that? Is she trying to make a point of some kind? And to quote another: Jumping in on this thread way late, having not read entirely all the posts, just to say that my cat licks plastic. Especially the plastic grocery bags. I thought that was his own eccentricity, but now, with your cat's similar propensity, I think there must be something in plastic grocery bags that cats like. It's kind of dangerous, too, and we keep the grocery bags off the floor, cause it also tends to make him want to pee - not so much now as when he was younger, but still... coco The answer, your cats eat plastic because they hate you: http://www.mycathatesyou.com/cats/2005/04/11or to better understand Cats and Hatred: http://www.mycathatesyou.com/catsFollow these links and you'll never see your kitten as cute again.
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07-14-2005 22:10
From: Euterpe Roo Now, who is asking the questions here?  P.S. I will stop now  . This is really a great thread! <Pats Jake on the back, gives him a Gatorade and a Cliff's Bar. Go, go, go!  > That would be you. unless you are afraid of the cat: http://www.mycathatesyou.com/cats/2005/03/10
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07-14-2005 22:29
I'm a sucker for cute, funny cat pictures! (but . . . my cat loves me, yes he do, and very much! he's ten) coco
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07-15-2005 05:26
Why is it only drug dealers and software developers call their clients 'users'?
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07-15-2005 08:07
From: Jake Reitveld Well I think one answer is that we find paradox when our technical understanding of the nature of the universe lacks the knowlege to accurately describe a forseeable result. We have a paradox until we have sufficient understanding to reconcile the contradiction.
Of course the answer Iwould give from my own philosophical perspective is that only a mind limited by logic would see a problem with a paradox, and enlightened mind simple sees that both possibilites could be true. But then I am a Zen Buddhist, and to western eyes, paradox is seemingly the essence of zen.Where the logical mind sees paradox and is trapped the enlightened mind sees nothing and is set free. Hmm. Two answers eh, Jake? Why bother with the first, which is wrong. Go with the second, which is nearly bang on. Except that neither quite exactly addressed the reason. That it is all impossible. Nothing here at all. Except our delusion to the contrary. Which of course is something. Oh whoops, another paradox ! But after all, language cannot nail this down. It can only point from a distance. I think we agree, so lets not allow ego to rear its ugly head, so that we compete over our agreement . I bow to thee, oh Jake....A worthy answer. On with the game......
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07-15-2005 08:35
This reminds me a bit of the first episode of John Doe , where people barage him with questions and he knows everything.
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07-15-2005 08:39
From: Colette Meiji This reminds me a bit of the first episode of John Doe , where people barage him with questions and he knows everything.
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^^ I bet he doesn't know the speed of dark.
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07-15-2005 08:44
Speed of Dark?, bla thats an easy one -
-------------- it can easily be shown by symmetry arguments that the speed of dark is related to the speed of light by
c = 3*pi*c_dark / 8*alpha^3 ----------------
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edit - well okay google told me haha
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07-15-2005 10:47
Hi there, long time Ditto Head... err listener and I have a question, actually a couple.
I heard in the Navy there are two types of light, incandecent and flouresent. I was told that incandesant lights like flashlights and regular lightbulbs actually push darkness out of the way where flouresent lights actually suck away darkness. Is this true? And if it is, where does the dark go?
My second question is if I put up a video capture of two avatars having sex on a pay website, would I need to maintain age verification of the avatars? Even if it just between my alts? Or would I have to verify each model was over 18 pixels?
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07-15-2005 11:03
From: Ellie Edo Hmm. Two answers eh, Jake? Why bother with the first, which is wrong. Go with the second, which is nearly bang on.
Except that neither quite exactly addressed the reason. That it is all impossible. Nothing here at all. Except our delusion to the contrary. Which of course is something.
Oh whoops, another paradox !
But after all, language cannot nail this down. It can only point from a distance.
I think we agree, so lets not allow ego to rear its ugly head, so that we compete over our agreement . I bow to thee, oh Jake....A worthy answer.
On with the game...... Why does not matter, only what is and what isn't. And the first answer is only one possible interpretation. I ignored the existentialist response the post modern response and a very nicely thought out deconstructivist/textualist response. And Ellie there is no room for disagreement in this thread lol. Its ask Jake anything. If you want to debate things Start a debate with ellie thread lol! then you can be right! And if you really want a debate put FIC in the title. Thanks for reading and it was a very interesting question. Keep them coming.
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07-15-2005 11:09
Jake,
I used to make long thoughtful posts in the forums but they have recently degenerated into short goofy posts, acerbic remarks, and political rhetoric. Are the forums making me stupid and, if so, what should I do about it?
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07-15-2005 11:11
From: Hiro Queso Why is it only drug dealers and software developers call their clients 'users'? Hiro if you havent figured out that SL is addicting yet then I cannot help you! The analogy is obvious-LL starts out basically saying "the first hit is free." YOu should see the lindens roll up in their Hummers with the bling flashing from all the jack they get from us users. So games are obviously mindcrack! Now business programs are more like a prescritption drug addiction. At first you really need it, but after a while it is so full of complex interactions that you need a full time staff of professionals to monitor it. Plus the early doses are effective and manageable, but you quickly develop a resistence to it, so you need more and more powerful doses to accomplish the same task (I mean what is the fucntional difference between word perfect 10 and word perfect 6?) So in the end computer users are as addicted as drug users, hence the same ultimate term for clients.
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