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Billy Grace
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06-20-2006 12:43
Does someone need to remind you that we've done exactly the same thing to more than two "detainees"? Al Qaeda and the insurgents aren't over there on my behalf representing me. The US military is. Go ahead... justify their actions Chip. This line of thought from you is disgusting. _____________________
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Rick Deckard
Cogito, ergo doleo.
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06-20-2006 12:44
the hypocritical left _____________________
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Phedre Aquitaine
I am the zombie queen
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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06-20-2006 12:44
Go ahead... justify their actions Chip. This line of thought from you is disgusting. There's a distinct difference between saying "there's a reason they're doing this" and "it's okay that they're doing this, and just". I wish you could see that. _____________________
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Sansarya Caligari
BLEH!
Join date: 25 Apr 2005
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06-20-2006 12:45
/registers self as bleeding heart Liberal.
I am OUTRAGED that the US soldiers were there to begin with!!! _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
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06-20-2006 12:46
Go ahead... justify their actions Chip. This line of thought from you is disgusting. How exactly do you justify OUR actions? A bit curious on that one. Does the Jesus give you some wiggle room on that compassionate stuff? _____________________
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Tya Fallingbridge
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06-20-2006 12:46
OK Mr Grace... someone did not have their breakfast this morning or stayed up wayyyyyyyy past his bedtime
 Take a deep breath, relax and then I will marry you  ))~Tya _____________________
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Billy Grace
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06-20-2006 12:47
ok lets stop this subplot right now, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor Germany being Japan's ally declared war on us, on January 11th if I remember correctly, then in response we declare war on Germany the rest is common knowledge We attacked them and all they did was declare war on us????? I am outraged!!! Had we left them alone, they would have gone away and we would be nice and safe. So many of our boys died over there in WWII because we couldn't mind our own business.  _____________________
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Burnman Bedlam
Business Person
Join date: 28 Jan 2006
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06-20-2006 12:48
Ahhhh, I've been missing the point the whole time! Geez, I get it now. He's mad because "lefties" are willing to accept responsibility for the actions of our nation rather than simply blame everything on non-christian foreigners.
But Burnman --THAT's what this thread is about. Rather than Billy being outraged about the event -he is outraged that the "lefties" are equally outraged by the violence of both sides. _____________________
Burnman Bedlam
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Billy Grace
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06-20-2006 12:49
OK Mr Grace... someone did not have their breakfast this morning or stayed up wayyyyyyyy past his bedtime Take a deep breath, relax and then I will marry you ))~Tya Quickly leaves the thread... yes dear.  _____________________
I find it rather easy to portray a businessman. Being bland, rather cruel and incompetent comes naturally to me.
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
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06-20-2006 12:50
We attacked them and all they did was declare war on us????? I am outraged!!! Had we left them alone, they would have gone away and we would be nice and safe. So many of our boys died over there in WWII because we couldn't mind our own business. Thankfully WWII didn't last as long as our quick little jaunt into Iraq.  _____________________
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Tya Fallingbridge
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06-20-2006 12:52
Quickly leaves the thread... yes dear. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
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06-20-2006 12:53
Go ahead... justify their actions Chip. This line of thought from you is disgusting. No, Billy. You're not getting it. I'm saying that our own actions are no more justified than theirs. It's all just people killing each other over ideology and resources. Does it really matter if it's done with a machete or with a 500lb munition? Not to me. _____________________
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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Join date: 26 Apr 2006
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06-20-2006 12:55
Every Iraqi (innocent or not) that dies at the hand of one of our soldiers leaves behind dozens of friends and family members. Do you want them to be angry? It would be better if they didn't, don't you agree? If they are, do you expect them to get over it any time soon? Or shall we just kill them, too? Some of them are now a lot more likely to commit the crimes which would allow us to justify it. Okay, sure those friends and family members are grief-stricken and angry. But how and against whom should they vent their anger? Are you implying that it is reasonable or productive for them to take up arms against America and/or start blowing up their neighbors in protest? I assume not. It's understandable that an individual may act irrationally and lash out at whoever they see as the proximal cause of their loved one's death. However, his/her family should talk sense into him. If they don't, then their friends and co-workers should. If they can't then their community, religious brothers, politicians et al. should. They won't listen to western soldiers or even western diplomats, no matter how many times we try to tell them that blowing themselves up is only making it worse for them. But I don't see a lot of effort from the presumably overwhelming majority of "good" muslims and their brothers in the middle east in breaking them out of this destructive pattern that you mention. But I do ask myself. If they don't care about their own people, why should I? |
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-20-2006 12:56
No, Billy. You're not getting it. I'm saying that our own actions are no more justified than theirs. It's all just people killing each other over ideology and resources. Does it really matter if it's done with a machete or with a 500lb munition? Not to me. I'm fairly certain the "terrorists" would use 500lb munitions instead of machete if they had a bit more money. They probably don't wanna get their hands dirty either. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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06-20-2006 13:01
I don't see a lot of effort from the presumably overwhelming majority of "good" muslims and their brothers in the middle east in breaking them out of this destructive pattern that you mention. You mean like the left is doing here in the States? _____________________
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Groucho Mandelbrot
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06-20-2006 13:04
I'm fairly certain the "terrorists" would use 500lb munitions instead of machete if they had a bit more money. Can you or Chip give me your definition of "terrorist"? And can you tell me if "terrorism" is a good thing, a bad thing, or neutral? I'm having a hard time following your logic. |
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Sansarya Caligari
BLEH!
Join date: 25 Apr 2005
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06-20-2006 13:06
They won't listen to western soldiers or even western diplomats, no matter how many times we try to tell them that blowing themselves up is only making it worse for them. But I don't see a lot of effort from the presumably overwhelming majority of "good" muslims and their brothers in the middle east in breaking them out of this destructive pattern that you mention. But I do ask myself. If they don't care about their own people, why should I? This just kind of made me chuckle. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-20-2006 13:08
Can you or Chip give me your definition of "terrorist"? And can you tell me if "terrorism" is a good thing, a bad thing, or neutral? I'm having a hard time following your logic. A terrorist is someone who uses terrorism as a means to fight. The Oxford English Dictionary defines terrorism as "a policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; the employment of methods of intimidation; the fact of terrorising or condition of being terrorised." Of course that would make George Bush the world's deadliest terrorist. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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06-20-2006 13:08
Hi, Billy. You seem like a straight-up guy (I enjoy most of your posts); and I'd like to talk with you about this. First off, I'm definitely a liberal. Sadly, I'm not much of an activist. I spend most of my time working, trying to keep the house clean on weekends, and taking the kids places. Oh. And building in Second Life! I was a precinct captain for Mondale in, what was it, 1984? But since then I've not done much but vote and share my opinion with people at parties. I'm not sure what "bleeding heart" means. It does sound bad, doesn't it? And the more I think about it, the harder it is to get a handle on. Surely you don't just mean someone who tries to treat everyone with charity (poor translation for _agape_, but I don't know a better one)? The thing that hooked me in your post is that you say you want people to get angry. What I want to know is: why? Anger makes people behave irrationally. Monkeys can get angry. We have parts of our minds that set us above monkeys: reason and charity. Anger blinds us to both; and both are desperately needed now. To tell the truth, I _have_ been angry about what's happening in Iraq; but now I am just depressed, and beginning to be afraid. Who ever thought that it was going to be possible to sow war and reap peace? Okay, I'm getting angry again. Every Iraqi (innocent or not) that dies at the hand of one of our soldiers leaves behind dozens of friends and family members. Do you want them to be angry? It would be better if they didn't, don't you agree? If they are, do you expect them to get over it any time soon? Or shall we just kill them, too? Some of them are now a lot more likely to commit the crimes which would allow us to justify it. We have sown the seeds of war for generations to come. Maybe I didn't want to talk about this, after all. I think I'll go put my head back in the sand and spend my time aligning textures on prims. Ooh. And shunt my anger into Linden Labs registration policy ... I am done with this thread... or Tya will beat me... lol... but I felt I had to respond to this. Just wanted to say that I respect this post. It was well thought out and logical. What I want if for people to think, to use their brains and yes to be angry that our boys were brutally tortured and murdered and how in my opinion, our political environment is so screwed up that some will justify their deaths by pointing a finger at the US, not the animals that did this. The posters in this thread may or may not agree with me... but I got them to think, and that is perhaps a start. *retires from the thread again* _____________________
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Alvin Newcomb
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06-20-2006 13:08
However, his/her family should talk sense into him. That was less effort than I thought it was going to be! |
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-20-2006 13:11
I am done with this thread... or Tya will beat me... lol... but I felt I had to respond to this. Just wanted to say that I respect this post. It was well thought out and logical. What I want if for people to think, to use their brains and yes to be angry that our boys were brutally tortured and murdered and how in my opinion, our political environment is so screwed up that some will justify their deaths by pointing a finger at the US, not the animals that did this. The posters in this thread may or may not agree with me... but I got them to think, and that is perhaps a start. *retires from the thread again* you got him to admit he's apathetic and tired, where once he was politically motivated --I guess for right wingers tiring out a liberal is considered a victory. _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-20-2006 13:11
I'm fairly certain the "terrorists" would use 500lb munitions instead of machete if they had a bit more money. They probably don't wanna get their hands dirty either. lol its not hard to equal the destructive force of a 500lb airial bomb, look at Oklahoma City. A 500lb bomb only has around 250 lbs of explosive depending on the weapons package. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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06-20-2006 13:22
lol its not hard to equal the destructive force of a 500lb airial bomb, look at Oklahoma City. A 500lb bomb only has around 250 lbs of explosive depending on the weapons package. lol, Billybob! Bombs are sooo funny! _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
was here
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06-20-2006 13:25
Why not? The Bible says the same exact things about them. Haven't read to the end of the post yet, so forgive me if someone else grabbed this first, but can you, or for that matter, anyone, point out to me anything the Torah or Bible says about Muslims? Thanks in advance. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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06-20-2006 13:27
Can you or Chip give me your definition of "terrorist"? And can you tell me if "terrorism" is a good thing, a bad thing, or neutral? In it's common usage it seems to mean both "infidel" and "person who can't afford a tank." _____________________
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