Two US soldiers tortured to death, where is the outrage from the left now????
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06-20-2006 11:30
From: Burnman Bedlam Another thing... did it ever occur to you that this was in response to the torture we've been subjecting our prisoners to?? Or the civilians... INCLUDING CHILDREN... that have been murdered at the hands of our soldiers?
...snip That is perhaps the DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER READ. Yeah, leave em alone... and they will go away... they really love us and don't want to kill us... Burman... if you believe that... really believe that... how about going to Iraq or any other middle eastern country and find one of these groups like Al Quaeda or Hamas and see how much they love you. USS Cole never happened... right? The first WTC bombing never happened... right? 911 never happened... right? Countless other attacks never happened... right? Get a grip. If it was up to them... the ones YOU support... you would be D E A D.
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06-20-2006 11:33
From: Billybob Goodliffe no shit sherlock, I've been there done that. (ex-Marine) I didn't say torture back, I said be outraged. Is being outraged wrong? if so, lock me up and throw away the key!
oh and they said it was revenge for us killing their leader, not Haditha. another distinct difference, we punish our soldiers who commit atrocities, they celebrate theirs BINGO!!!! Give that man a cigar! Right on target Billybob.
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06-20-2006 11:36
From: Billy Grace That is perhaps the DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER READ. Yeah, leave em alone... and they will go away... they really love us and don't want to kill us... Burman... if you believe that... really believe that... how about going to Iraq or any other middle eastern country and find one of these groups like Al Quaeda or Hamas and see how much they love you.
USS Cole never happened... right? The first WTC bombing never happened... right? 911 never happened... right? Countless other attacks never happened... right? Get a grip. If it was up to them... the ones YOU support... you would be D E A D. ask yourself why the nazis (who were far worse than even these terrorists) were given trials. seriously. ask yourself that question. |
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06-20-2006 11:39
From: Kendra Bancroft Of course we're outraged! We're outraged at ALL senseless death and torture --our own included.
What I also can't stand is the attempt to politicize this event by starting a thread asking why the left hasn't started a thread about it.
This isn't a left versus right issue, Billy. Nobody is excusing this action.
I guess, however, holding ourselves to greater account is out of the question for you.
Saying "We are not as bad as those cut-throat terrorists" doesn't exactly have the same ring as "Justice for All" Nice attempt to deflect the main point of the thread Kendra, you are very good at misdirection. How about a little outrage shown from you on this matter. I am pissed off... really pissed off... and you should be too. I am soooo tired of hearing how horrible we are from the POLITICAL left... for one reason... to gain power, that's it... How many prisoners have we TORTURED TO DEATH?????? How about once... just once lets hear a cry from the left other than... look how bad the US is? While at the same time giving the terrorists a free pass.
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06-20-2006 11:42
From: Billy Grace Nice attempt to deflect the main point of the thread Kendra, you are very good at misdirection.
How about a little outrage shown from you on this matter. I am pissed off... really pissed off... and you should be too. I am soooo tired of hearing how horrible we are from the POLITICAL left... for one reason... to gain power, that's it... How many prisoners have we TORTURED TO DEATH??????
How about once... just once lets hear a cry from the left other than... look how bad the US is? While at the same time giving the terrorists a free pass. Then we should STOP BEING HORRIBLE. How many have we killed by torture? More than we know -- but here's some examples http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201941.htmlYour defense of our actions by saying "yeah, but they are worse" is no defense. I already told you I'm outraged. I'm even more outraged by the horrific actions done in my name. Why? Because it's my fucking name. |
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06-20-2006 11:42
From: Kendra Bancroft ask yourself why the nazis (who were far worse than even these terrorists) were given trials.
seriously. ask yourself that question. because we didn't act on our first reaction, also "they" claimed they were following orders, when it was proven they were the ones giving them. *note "they" means those actually put on trial at Nuremburg |
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06-20-2006 11:46
From: Billy Grace http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13432770/?GT1=8211 Where are all of the bleeding heart liberal activists now???? Where are all of the Geneva Convention, human rights activists now???? Not one of our boys captured has EVER been released. We do EVERYTHING in our power for these farking scum of the earth monsters, we feed their sorry asses, give them hot showers, hell... we even give them a copy of their Koran to study... to reinforce and justify their hatred of us and give them hope. What do we EVER get from them? TORTURED TO FUCKING DEATH is what we get. I don't think I EVER want to hear any crap about Gitmo or Abu Grab again. Dude, do you mind taking it easy with all this outpouring of Christian love and compassion? You're making atheists look bad in comparison. |
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06-20-2006 11:46
From: Billybob Goodliffe because we didn't act on our first reaction, also "they" claimed they were following orders, when it was proven they were the ones giving them.
*note "they" means those actually put on trial at Nuremburg but why did we give them a trial as opposed to simply having them shot? |
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06-20-2006 11:46
From: Beryl Greenacre The US needs to get out of Iraq NOW. N-O-W. Gawd, this is all awful, and it needs to end. My heart bleeds for everyone on all sides who has lost loved ones in this senseless conflict. That's right... you drank the liberal kool-aid... didn't you? It is all our fault... if we leave, they will go away.
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06-20-2006 11:49
From: Billy Grace That's right... you drank the liberal kool-aid... didn't you?
It is all our fault... if we leave, they will go away. do you suppose they will go away if we stay? |
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06-20-2006 11:50
From: Burnman Bedlam You are actually rather incorrect in your interpretation of the Koran. The fundamentalist whacko Islamists... similar to the whacko fundamentalist christians... pervert passages of the book to justify their cause.
You need to get your facts straight before you make bigoted remarks like that. The bible is no less violent towards non-believers than most religious works with the exception of a few less mainstream religions.
My outrage is with people like you who do nothing but make the US look bad with your own hatred, arrogance, and intolerance. How about this... fuck you and the horse you rode in on!!! and I don't care if I get suspensed for saying so, you will too for calling me a bigot btw. Obviously you have never read the Koran, try doing so before saying anything else. You have absolutly NO concept what the Koran says... obviously... and make yourself look like an idiot because of your ignorance.
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06-20-2006 11:50
From: Billy Grace Ahem... the Koran says we are infidels... the Koran says that we should be converted... of farking KILLED. You need to go read the Koran before you attempt to support it. Don't compare that piece of trash with the Bible.
Need I remind you of some of the fabulous things your Bible has to say? You'd be the first to admit that there are parts of the bible that are not to be taken literally... so, why aren't you applying that belief to the Koran?
Convenience, maybe? From: Billy Grace The left is really really quick to run by the side of the terrorists...
You cannot hold the U.S. Government to the same standards as a group of terrorists, period. |
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06-20-2006 11:52
From: Billy Grace That is perhaps the DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER READ. Yeah, leave em alone... and they will go away... they really love us and don't want to kill us... Burman... if you believe that... really believe that... how about going to Iraq or any other middle eastern country and find one of these groups like Al Quaeda or Hamas and see how much they love you. Billy, why do you think they want to kill us? Do you honestly believe that it's because their holy book tells them too? For the foot soldiers and suicide bombers who are being twisted and manipulated, that's true, but those doing the twisting and manipulating are doing so for political, economical, and territorial reasons... reasons we won't ever stop to address and rectify as long as such big segments of both populations wrap themselves in simple minded religious and nationalistic fervor. Do you know anyone from the middle east, Billy? I do. The last woman I dated seriously is Iranian. I met several of her extended family from Iran. They were all wonderful people who were very well educated, highly intelligent, and extremely kind. Yes, there are radical nutjobs over there, just like there are here (many of them in our own government) but it's all too easy to use the actions of a few to dehumanize the rest. I'm outraged that there are people like Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and James Dobson in this country preaching the same kind of ignorant hatered but I sure as hell don't believe they define this country any more than the radical mullahs define Iraq, Iran, or any other countries in the region. So two of our soldiers were tortured. Is that supposed to justify the war now? I can't get past the unspoken "See?! They're animals!" implied by this thread... I hope you recognize it too, because it's exactly the same poison that's being used against us.
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06-20-2006 11:56
From: Sally Rosebud In case you hadn't noticed, we ARE outraged. We are outraged at our president and the administration. We are outraged that he sent our men and women into a war. We are outraged that our government isn't behaving any better than the insurgents when it comes to prisoners. We are saddened at EVERY SINGLE DEATH caused by this war. Just because we don't say OMFG to every little thing YOU think we should, does not mean we are not outraged. OMG... this is exactly what I am talking about. TORTURING TO DEATH TWO AMERICAN SOLDIERS IS A "SMALL THING TO YOU???? That explains the mentality of the left to a tee... if it doesn't further us politically, it is a small thing.
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06-20-2006 11:58
From: Chip Midnight Gee, do you think maybe some people in Iraq are outraged and angry about the 30,000 + innocents we've killed and over two million people we've displaced from their homes? I just can't imagine why they'd be upset and why some among them might channel their rage into some dispicable acts of their own. It's easy to be dismissive when you don't have any solutions. |
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06-20-2006 11:58
From: Kendra Bancroft Why not? The Bible says the same exact things about them. I will not let this thread become a debate about religion... another nice try to deflect from the main point though Kendra. Your point isn't worth a response and I will not do so.
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06-20-2006 11:59
From: Billy Grace OMG... this is exactly what I am talking about.
TORTURING TO DEATH TWO AMERICAN SOLDIERS IS A "SMALL THING TO YOU???? That explains the mentality of the left to a tee... if it doesn't further us politically, it is a small thing. Does someone need to remind you that we've done exactly the same thing to more than two "detainees"? Al Qaeda and the insurgents aren't over there on my behalf representing me. The US military is.
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06-20-2006 12:00
From: Groucho Mandelbrot It's easy to be dismissive when you don't have any solutions. It's better than blowing shit up.
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06-20-2006 12:04
From: Kendra Bancroft ask yourself why the nazis (who were far worse than even these terrorists) were given trials.
seriously. ask yourself that question. Ask yourself... if we had not attacked the Nazis, an unprevolked attack mind you... Japan attacked us and what did we do? Went to war with Germany... lol... would you enjoy speeking German right now instead of English?
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06-20-2006 12:04
From: Billy Grace I will not let this thread become a debate about religion... another nice try to deflect from the main point though Kendra. Your point isn't worth a response and I will not do so. I'm not surprised you have a tough time answering, Billy, The fact is your Bible is every bit the same as their Koran. You know it's true --so why deny it? Here's a lovely little psalm as an appetizer: "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalms 137:8-9, KJV)" |
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06-20-2006 12:05
From: Chip Midnight It's better than blowing shit up. But, but, blowing shit up is so much fun,  especially in the Navy when you can be 1000+ miles away from the target.  Briana Dawson |
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06-20-2006 12:06
From: Billy Grace I will not let this thread become a debate about religion... another nice try to deflect from the main point though Kendra. Your point isn't worth a response and I will not do so. |
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06-20-2006 12:06
From: Billy Grace Ask yourself... if we had not attacked the Nazis, an unprevolked attack mind you... Japan attacked us and what did we do? Went to war with Germany... lol... would you enjoy speeking German right now instead of English? ok lets stop this subplot right now, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor Germany being Japan's ally declared war on us, on January 11th if I remember correctly, then in response we declare war on Germany the rest is common knowledge |
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06-20-2006 12:06
From: Billy Grace I will not let this thread become a debate about religion... another nice try to deflect from the main point though Kendra. Your point isn't worth a response and I will not do so. No? Read your last response to me... From: Billy Grace How about this... fuck you!!! and I don't care if I get suspensed for saying so, you will too for calling me a bigot btw.
Obviously you have never read the Koran, try doing so before saying anything else. You have absolutly NO concept what the Koran says... obviously... and make yourself look like an idiot because of your ignorance. And more to the point, I have read some of the Koran, and know some Muslims in RL. They are no different than any other American. You should focus your anger at the zealots... not the average, everyday person with differing views than your own.
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06-20-2006 12:07
From: Billy Grace Ask yourself... if we had not attacked the Nazis, an unprevolked attack mind you... Japan attacked us and what did we do? Went to war with Germany... lol... would you enjoy speeking German right now instead of English? Germany declared War on us before we engaged them . So --uhm --it wasn't unprovoked. http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/gerdec41.htm |
