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Jenna Fairplay
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02-23-2005 07:57
There is a money tree in The Edge, 102 102 Daboom :D
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02-24-2005 12:38
From: ArchTx Edo


I'm confused. The money trees were meant to give away money. If I'm using it within the established limits scripted into the tree, how is it abuse and how would a Noob know anyone considered it abuse.

Let me see if I understand this. Your generous spirt lead to you want to give away money to Noobs. You created a tree that will allow any Noob to collect up to $25, and then only if his name isn't on the 3-5 last pickers list. A Noobs have used the trees as they were designed, playing within the rules you created, and now some of you feel resentful that the Noobs did so? You feel that they abused your generousity.


Exactly. What a shock it is to come into this thread to discover that there is actually a hidden code of etiquette regarding the trees which we, as newbies, couldn't possibly know.

I thought the parameters of the things were controlled by the facts that (a) you can only pick up to $25 (and that only if you are stupendously lucky) and then must wait until four others have had a chance at it.

And yet we could be abusing the trees? And subject to BANNING from your lot? I would hate to find myself banned from an area (not that I know now what that would consist of, but I imagine there would be a way I would know I'd been banned) with absolutely no knowledge of why.

And if I found out why, it would be because I had partaken of the money trees? Doesn't seem right.

I have had the same basic experience as ArchTx - a whole lot of work for very little money. My experience is kind of like this: $2, $1, $1, $0, $6, $3, $2, $1, $1, $1, $10, $1, $2, $0, $0, $4, $15, $0, $0, $1, $3, $0, $1 . . . and so on and so forth. This morning I found cherries! But that is unusual. Of course we use the "find" and then teleport from tree to tree; what did anyone expect? But it isn't as easy as all that. Sometimes even after you fly to the area, you fly around for a long time before you finally find the tree, and sometimes you never do. Sometimes you know exactly where the tree should be, because it shows up in the picture in Find, but you get there and it's a fountain now. Sometimes no amount of clicking will get that bill to leave that tree. Sometimes no amount of gazing at a tree from any angle will even show up the bill that is supposedly in there. Sometimes I think people advertise money trees who don't really have one, just to get people to their area. Sometimes I think some of the trees never get money put into them. And some of the trees just seem to be bugged.

I have enjoyed getting money from the trees, and always notice when it says who paid me, and appreciated that person. And if someone has somehow found a way to beat the system so that they get $500 from one tree or whatever, then if I were you I would stop them, yes, but also tell them why. But if there's some hidden agenda about how often we're expected to go to the trees, please let us know. I would rather get a PM from someone than just get banned.

Now I'm worrying I'm going to be on somebody's ban list for visiting their tree every day.

coco

Edited to add: I see this has been clarified to "once a day" is okay. That is good to know, since that is all I ever do (unless you count last night combined with early am before the doctor's appointment today, after being 36 hours without cable, lol). But if this is going to be the expectation, it would be best to say somewhere, "Only One Visit Per Day, Please". Or have it built into the tree somehow. Not many people would do it more than once a day, if that, but for those who might, as far as they know right now, it's perfectly acceptable. It would seem only fair to let everyone know that rule beforehand.
Cocoanut Koala
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02-24-2005 12:56
I'm still reading backwards in this thread. Some have commented that the newbies fly in, go to the tree, fly out, and don't say hi. Yup! We do that, lol. For one thing, we don't know who you are, really, or where you are, or what y'all are up to in the place we've just flown into. One place I flew into was very, very clearly not the right time or place for me to be there, lol. Rather embarrassing to be the only female avatar there, let alone the only one clothed.

We are new and don't know what we are doing and we are maybe shy and we are on a MISSION to pick up that maybe $3 average per place we go to, and it's not a very lofty mission, when you think about it, is it. And when we arrive, there are often no people, or maybe many people, and I don't stop to socialize at each club or whatever. I have, however, stopped to look around at interesting places. (And of course I say hi back if someone says hi to me.)

Whoever has the Orient place, I am not sure that this is the same one - but there is one Orient place with many brown oriental buildings and brown wooden walkways connecting them. It's kind of hard to find the tree there, but this is my favorite place I've been exposed to via the money tree. It is beautiful and peaceful!

coco
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02-24-2005 13:00
You aren't doing anything wrong by picking from a money tree.

I gave the ability for the tree owner to selectively prevent certain users from picking. How the owner uses that ability is entirely up to them. It only prevents you from picking. It doesn't ban you from land.

I personally don't use it unless I see a newbie for a week straight every 20 minutes. To me, they should probably get out more and find a different hobby if all they have to do is go from tree to tree constantly picking.

But, if you stop by a few times a day, I'm happy - that is why I put the tree up in the first place. Some owners just have different tolerance levels for repeat visitors.

You could equate it to going to a party and taking an entire plate of appetizers. You were invited. The appetizers were there for you. But, taking all of them is pretty rude. And truthfully, only about 1% of the people that stop by are doing that.
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Kris Ritter
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Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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02-24-2005 13:39
The Money Tree on Krittannia has been removed because, well, Krittannia has been removed.

There were no remaining donations. Seemed like a good time to do it.
Mistress Midnight
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Join date: 13 May 2003
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02-24-2005 16:59
From: ArchTx Edo
Thanks to Sensual Casanova and Laukosargas Svarog for your supportive comments and clarifications. It is usually the case that 95% of the people behave reasonably, its the other 5% that usually cause all of the problems.

ArchTx


I'm sorry to hear you think we're causing your problems, but keep in mind that it is a donation, so people should be free to start/stop as meets their needs. Like Damien and I stated, we still both have discount shops up, and continue to donate to other trees, we just don't have our own up.

Great appetizer analogy btw :D
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Aimee Weber
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02-24-2005 17:34
I think abuse is totally the wrong word. Let me put this in better terms.

When people put up their money trees I think they had in mind that MANY new, cash poor users could have a nice little treat from time to time to buy little odds and ends for themselves before they moved on to become productive SL members. What happened instead was a SMALL NUMBER of "career harvesters" emerged, and the money-tree owners simply supported their SL careers.

So did these career harvesters "abuse" the system? Nah.

Should the money-tree benefactors continue to support a small number of harvesters, contrary to their initial money-tree goals? Also nah.

I know alot of the people who put up trees and they are, in their very nature, charitable people. So rather than look at this as money-trees being yanked because of abuse, I think it's better to think that these very generous people are going to opt for charitable alternatives that do a better job targeting those who need it. The key here is, charity is still going to happen, just in a more targeted way.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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02-24-2005 22:22
My tree has been removed.

Thanks for the patronage.

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Cocoanut Koala
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02-26-2005 11:26
From: Sapphire Bombay


I personally don't use it unless I see a newbie for a week straight every 20 minutes.

OK, I get it. If that's all they're doing, they DO need to find something else to do. And since they are not banned from the land, I imagine they would just discover when they clicked on the tree that it wasn't working for them, and they would KNOW why.

Myself, I have approached it more like the "appetizer" theory. I figure I get my share of appetizers once a day, those days I play. It's been nice to have some way of getting money in the game (I also get it from playing Trivia, Bingo, etc.), and gives me something to do when there is nothing to do. It's good for a new player to have something to do, some defined goal. I wish there were more things like that in this game. Not money trees per se, but something you could go work at and get paid for. (Besides being a hooker.)

coco
Papillon Chatnoir
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Join date: 4 Sep 2004
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02-27-2005 05:06
Mine is now up & running :)

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Alan Kiesler
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Join date: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 354
02-28-2005 16:44
My 2.9 tree in Tavarua 'crashed' prior to the grid reset, due to the reasons Sapphire mentioned earlier.

It's been fixed with a 3.0 replacement. Sorry for the delays, been busy RL.

And by all means, let folks know I have other stuff than that tree around. I don't mind people quietly visiting the memorials I have around, or playing the chess and Majongg games there.
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Heather Nyak
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Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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03-01-2005 08:00
My money tree has usually lots of bills on it. It's not advertised i like to make it a bit harder for you to find :) If you look me up inworld its not to hard to work out where it is i will post the picture later when it had 200-300 on it
Cyberjigglelow Plisskin
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Join date: 2 Jan 2005
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New Money Tree
03-13-2005 13:34
New Money Tree Located in WALL at Club Dredd by our First ever underwater swimming pool dance floor and our party boat,stop by and check it out and visit the Castle club as well and our vendors.


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I HAVE REMOVED MY MONEY TREE DUE TO THE FACT THAT ASSHOLE 3 NAMERS * PEOPLE WHO HAVE 3 ACCOUNTS * JUST TO GO AROUND TAKING MONEY FROM MY TREE EVERY 15 MINUTES UNDER ANOTHER NAME,,IS THERE NO WAY TO STOP THESE ASSHOLES??? IS THERE NO TRUTHFUL AND HONEST PEOPLE LEFT IN THIS PLACE,WTF,WAS HOPING IT TO BE FOR HONEST TRUE NEWBIES AND WANTING TO HELP THEM AS I WASN`T AND HADN`T BEEN GIVEN THIS OPTION WHEN I COME TO 2L.

IF THERE COULD BE A WAY,,TO STOP THESE MONKEY ASS EATERS FROM DOING THIS,,I MAY RECONCIDER,UNTILL THEN,,I AM DONE!

TAKES SOME M F`ERS TO RUIN FOR THE REAL NEWBIES,,THANKS YOU MOTHER F`ERS!
Kandi Valkyrie
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<{ Dark Arts Money Tree }>
03-19-2005 07:46
At Dark Arts we now have a money tree out on our front patio. Come on by and pick away!!

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MissWendy Divine
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Money Tree location
03-29-2005 23:15
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The tree is in the back of the property
Cyberjigglelow Plisskin
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Join date: 2 Jan 2005
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Money Tree Location
04-10-2005 17:01
Hiya MissWendy Sis,love ya to pieces.

Hope you have better luck with the JERKS over your money tree than I had,,I removed it.good luck everyone with the users with multiple accounts taking your money that you have worked so hard for and to keep it full for them to take freely.
daz Groshomme
Artist *nuff said*
Join date: 28 Feb 2005
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04-10-2005 17:22
From: Cocoanut Koala
We are new and don't know what we are doing and we are maybe shy and we are on a MISSION to pick up that maybe $3 average per place we go to, and it's not a very lofty mission, when you think about it, is it. And when we arrive, there are often no people, or maybe many people, and I don't stop to socialize at each club or whatever. I have, however, stopped to look around at interesting places.

I have no problem with that, being a money tree owner, mine is in Picnic and listed in the places btw. I hope the visitors manage to take a look at my artwork scatered around the park but do not demand anything.

in just a couple of weeks my money tree was close to the middle in terms of visits somehow, but I rarely see any newbies there picking bananas and all but it seems the average visitor gets 15-20 L easily, last list I saw only had one person with less than 20L but my friends and I have donated at least a grand to the tree on top of my weekly stipend so it gets the maximum.

I am a little upset that I can't tell how many vistors have come by because of the problems with the new upgrade, but over time it will be worth it regardless!

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=4170&sort=PictureID+desc&Name=daz+Groshomme
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Essence Lumin
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Join date: 24 Oct 2003
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04-10-2005 18:52
My money tree isn't advertised either. It's dropping some money if you can find it.
Prong Thetan
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Join date: 22 May 2004
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04-15-2005 21:43
SimCast now has a money tree!

This will be interesting... because...

Your avatar must be less than 30 days old
The money tree is located in the middle of a PvP medieval combat zone
You must be wearing a game tag to get near it, or you will be teleported home

Pick quick, and die well...

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Tyra Valkyrie
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05-06-2005 10:56
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Prokofy Neva
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05-06-2005 11:54
In the entire time I've been playing this game, six months, and even having a few alts, I could never once get a money tree to pay me a single thing. I was not the lazy newbs of Anshe's scorn but went and found Anshe's trees and camped them waiting for their spawn and got nowhere.

Every time I went to them, they were used up (perhaps by those greedyones who "eat the whole plate of appetizers" at parties.

I found it utterly hilarious that people like Lordfly put in these things, to get the glory of looking like they selflessly gave to news out of their dwell or stipends, but then took them away, like he did, as soon as newbs "took too much" or as soon as he figured out that newbs didn't leave dwellnor spore.

Or some oldbs even banned from their lot those who they thought would "take too much".

This entire, silly, ridiculous, stupid concept of the Money Tree is predicated on the Tekkie Wiki ethic, the hippie/commune ethic, that makes something "for free" but only if you get into the harness of some socially-engineered project, like "don't take too much". Feh.

ArchTx was right to go work this thing really methodically and least hose it down for $100 and write to expose it for the scam that it is -- a way to make a class of oldbies look like they "help the community" and "help newbies" but by getting dwell for themselves and traffic to their stores and malls, meanwhile ensuring that they pay AS LITTLE as possible, ii.e $1 or $5, and also inflicting on them the socialist ethnic of "not taking too much" "from the community" all bogus concepts.

When you give something for free, the law of human nature says at least some will come and use it all up. That's why you don't do that lOL.

To answer Haney's question (he isn't here anymore): Money Trees exist for one purpose: to give glory to oldbies in their metagame ratings/reputation quests to make them *appear* to be generous. It's best if that "generosity" is also getting some dwell stickiness -- hence the phony concern about "not saying hi" which they ought to translate as "not staying five minutes to leave me dwell, dammit."

When you put socialist free stuff into a system, there will always be people to game it and take more out of the well than they should -- *that's why freebie stuff and socialism doesn't work*. Urgent pleas for them to be "nice" don't work.

And like all socialist schemes, the Money Tree doesn't even give you much! What the hell can you buy for $5???

A much more practical newbie scheme, one that is foolproof from their grasping and greeding little hands, is the ratings mechanism.

If a newbie is good or helps you in some way by helping himself -- i.e he comes to your event, class, store -- 99 percent of life is just showing up! -- or he makes a good point in a Thinkers' meeting or a Digital Cultures' Meeting, or he builds well, or he looks cute in a club dancing, or he does some helpful thing, you postrate him, paying $25 to the system, but not to him.

Then he can begin to accumulate points to get actual Linden dollars in his box that are doled out by points, not available to grasping and greedy little newbie hands.

Given how hard it is to make money in this game, given how hard it is to break through the obstacles of freebism and apprentencing created by the FIC class, there have to be other ways!

Using pos and neg rates while they last is one obvious way.
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Robin vogel
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Robin's Nest Money Tree
05-11-2005 09:25
I've set up a money tree on my parcel of land. Please come and pick what you can. Wander, enjoy, and visit!

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Chilly Charlton
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New Money Tree @ Mowry (4, 212)
05-15-2005 13:47
New Money Tree Here:

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Enjoy!
daz Groshomme
Artist *nuff said*
Join date: 28 Feb 2005
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05-15-2005 13:53
From: Prokofy Neva
In the entire time I've been playing this game, six months, and even having a few alts, I could never once get a money tree to pay me a single thing..
aww Prok!! My money tree in picnic was visited by so few people the avarage payout was 20L a pop, every day I saw that people got the max of 25L, there were maybe half a dozen regulars after a while and a few passersby, I advertised it here on the forums, on SLUniverse and had it listed in the FIND, if you had wanted to find it you could have. I also saw pics on SLU of another money tree dripping with fruit.
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Sapphire Bombay
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05-31-2005 06:11
From: Prokofy Neva

This entire, silly, ridiculous, stupid concept of the Money Tree is predicated on the Tekkie Wiki ethic, the hippie/commune ethic, that makes something "for free" but only if you get into the harness of some socially-engineered project, like "don't take too much". Feh.


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But I just caught this post. Everyone has their own motivations for putting these up I'm sure. My motivation was that I wanted new users to have a quick positive first time experience. Lets face it - most of us make snap judgements about things like SL during our first session. And SL is not very new user friendly. My thinking was that something like the money trees would help retain more new users. Thereby strengthening the player base and in turn boosting the economy. Sure it isn't selfless. But it also isn't hurting anyone as far as I can tell. I am the last one you should be calling a socialist open-source pachouli-wearing hippie.

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