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Margaret Mfume
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12-06-2005 15:07
It's a shame, really. It was a productive thread until then.
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12-06-2005 15:09
Its story time!!!!

Once upon a time, in ancient Italy, was an ancient Roman forum.

Lots of ideas were exchanged in this forum, some bad, some good - some heretical.

One day, a Roman citizen called Flipperus got on a perch and announced to the crowd he was donating a gift that could be enjoyed by all of them. This gift was a labor of love, being given in the hopes of making the days of everyone from the lowest slave, to the highest emperor - brighter.

The crowd gasped and cheered. Most everyone was happy about this exciting news.

There were the nay-sayers, who said that this gift was nothing new. There were the detractors, who said that only those who wore red robes would benefit. "What about those of us with white robes, that cannot afford dye?", they exclaimed.

But those comments were few, drowned out by all the applause.

Soon however, members of the senate showed up. While one senator got up on the perch with Flipperus, saying how this will be a boon to all of Rome, another Senator heckeled from the crowd, decrying the heracy of such a suggestion.

Soon another senator picked a side, and another, and another. One senator wearing blue claimed another senator wearing green was hoarding too much gold. The senator in green claimed that the senator in yellow was sleeping with his wife.

Soon, all that could be heard were the voices of the senators. Louder and louder they spoke, until even the gods far away on Mt. Vesuvius could hear them.

Finally, Jesakus, the god of discourse - stepped in and froze them all like ice.

The end.
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Margaret Mfume
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12-06-2005 15:13
:D Hot cocoa, anyone?
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Nolan Nash
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12-06-2005 15:19
From: DogSpot Boxer
Don't start shit with me, Nolan. I'm not pointing fingers or taking sides. I'm just making a comment on what I've observed here on SL forums.

In another thread, I posted a similar comment. Many people on SL forums have become very adept at personal attacks while at the same time treading the fine line of the TOS by not naming names.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand who the recipient of the (indirect) personal attack is.

It's just an observation. I'm not judging it, I'm not taking sides, nor am I pointing fingers.

Here's the deal, Nolan. I'm going to AR your post to me and I'm gonna AR every post where you try to push shit in my face.

Perhaps you'll eventually get the message that SL forums are not your own sandbox for dishing out abuse.

Broken record.

Remember that sound that Charlie Brown's teacher makes?

It's the sound that goes, "Mwa-mwa-mwa-wa, Mwa-mwa-wa-mwa-wa-wa".

We now return you to the DogSpot and Coco Thread Derailment Show.
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12-06-2005 15:21
From: Cocoanut Koala
Making such mistakes more likely is the fact that Enabran has trained me well.


I love your sense of personal accountability. It's inspiring. :)
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12-06-2005 15:33
From: Nolan Nash
Broken record.

Remember that sound that Charlie Brown's teacher makes?

It's the sound that goes "Mwa-mwa-mwa-wa, Mwa-mwa-wa-mwa-wa-wa"


We now return you to the DogSpot and Coco Thread Derailment Show.[/QUOTE]

That's interesting. I have to wonder what kind of logic one would use to assert that someone who posted in a thread well after the thread was derailed, could be accused of being involved in said derailment?:rolleyes:

Mr. Spock would not be pleased.

Go find another windmill to tilt at, Don Quixote.
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12-06-2005 15:50
From: DogSpot Boxer
That's interesting. I have to wonder what kind of logic one would use to assert that someone who posted in a thread well after the thread was rerailed, could be accused of being involved in said derailment?:rolleyes:

Mr. Spock would not be pleased.

Go find another windmill to tilt at, Don Quixote.

Re-derailment, or maybe continued derailment?

Logic eh? Hard to respond to illogic with true logic, but I try, and it usually falls on the ironically over-sensitive ears of some self-appointed forum nanny, who can't even practice what they preach. Ah well, all in a day's work for some folks I imagine.

Remember to rise above kids.

P.S. You're no Spock yourself there Ms. Emotional Outburst.
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12-06-2005 15:50
From: Margaret Mfume
:D Hot cocoa, anyone?


Ooh yes, and do you have any of those nice little marshmallows to go in it?
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12-06-2005 16:19
I don't even know what else to say.

My comment had nothing to do with the derailment of this thread nor the "re" derailment (if that's even possible).

What caused the re-derailment was your poor reaction to my comment. For reasons unknown, you appear to continue to hold a grudge against me and continue to look for hidden meanings and subtext in what I post.

I have done NOTHING to deserve your attack on me and you are way out of line for taking me to task for based on a straw man you have constructed.

When you jump down my throat for no good reason, as you have in this thread, it only reflects badly on you. If that's the way you want to be percieved, it's no skin off of my ass.

But rest assured that I won't take shit from you and I won't play these stupid head games with you. I'll just AR every one of your venomous posts directed at me.

BTW, Nolan, I'm not having an emotional outburst in this thread.
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12-06-2005 16:23
Just a gentle reminder to please stay on topic.
Margaret Mfume
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12-06-2005 16:24
From: Garnet Psaltery
Ooh yes, and do you have any of those nice little marshmallows to go in it?

Mais, non, mon ami.

Freshed whipped cream with grated chocolate is the way to go.

Did anyone else just feel a sudden, chilly blast? Better add some brandy to the cocoa. :p
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12-06-2005 16:29
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12-06-2005 16:30
Garters Aplenty and Margaret! I want you to know that it IS difficult for me to participate in a conversation around here sometimes, what with people like Enabran and Nolan making my life a pure misery no matter what I say, and insulting me at every fricking turn. YOU try it! THEN maybe you can stand at one side of it and make fun of it.

Now it is true that Enabran wasn't necessarily referring to me in this thread, but for months on END he has been nasty to me, so if I mistake it one time, that is hardly odd.

I truly wish that you, Garnet and Margaret, would have to go through this sometimes and you will see that it makes you jumpy after EIGHT FRICKIN MONTHS.

Now you two are actually joining in on it. That makes me very upset. I have already apologized. I've even spelled it out in the words Nolan wanted me to use. I even stood corrected regarding the use of the words "adjectives" versus "nouns." Is there something the frick ELSE you expect of me?

And you are still in this thread, now making fun of my NAME? You, Margaret, and you, Garnet? I REALLY didn't expect that of you. I had no idea.

If you want to see what I got on this thread to say, look at what I originally said to Flipper. And check out that other thread, in which I was also talking to him about it ("Down with Tringo." )

Then let's see where all everybody else went - including you - when I made an error, and even after I apologized for it, and corrected it several more times. Take a look at what Nolan has said, for example. So just exactly WHO is derailing this thread?

So far, thank God, FLIPPER has NEVER EVER treated me in any way but with respect and friendliness. Whether or not I'm agreeing or disagreeing with his point of view. I have always had totally pleasant conversations with him, whether or not we are in agreement about something. And I imagine he would say his has had pleasant interactions with me, despite what we may not agree on.

And for that, I respect him, and like him. He gets lots of points in my book for that, and has an ally in me and cooperation from me (except in areas where I might disagree and not want to participate in). THAT is what it is all about. Or should be.

And he has never, to my knowledge, stooped to making fun of me with little remarks about my name.

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Margaret Mfume
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12-06-2005 16:43
From: Travis Lambert
Finally, Jesakus, the god of discourse - stepped in and froze them all like ice.

The end.

Sorry, Cocoa, in retrospect of course you feel that way being that your name is well, Cocoa. But I honestly whipped that out in a quick minute following Travis' post. It was a reaction to being "froze like ice" pending Jesakus imminent arrival, the fact that it's !9 degrees F and dropping and I stopped for hot cocoa with my daughter aafter freezing our butts off scooping horse poop. Today is her turn to clean stalls which she has to do in exchange for riding priveleges. I'm truly sorry for the reasonable misunderstanding on your part.
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12-06-2005 16:46
From: DogSpot Boxer
I don't even know what else to say.

My comment had nothing to do with the derailment of this thread nor the "re" derailment (if that's even possible).
It happens when a thread gets back on track, and in this case, some preachy person enters and makes off-topic, assumptive "observations" about people's intentions. That's not talking about the topic at hand, that is maligning people based upon assumption. Ironically, it's a rather subtle attack on someone's character, coming from someone claiming that this is what others are doing.

From: DogSpot Boxer
What caused the re-derailment was your poor reaction to my comment. For reasons unknown, you appear to continue to hold a grudge against me and continue to look for hidden meanings and subtext in what I post.
No, no grudge. I just do not like it when folks don't practice what they preach. I find it laughable that you are accusing me of looking for hidden meanings, when that is EXACTLY what you are doing to some thread starters here!

From: DogSpot Boxer
I have done NOTHING to deserve your attack on me and you are way out of line for taking me to task for based on a straw man you have constructed.
I haven't attacked you. You just have a particular aversion to any critical analysis of your actions by me. Again, ironic, given your penchant to analyze others by attributing motives that just aren't provable. Your "I know what you're up to" type posts, are highly specious and reek of sanctimony.

From: DogSpot Boxer
When you jump down my throat for no good reason, as you have in this thread, it only reflects badly on you. If that's the way you want to be percieved, it's not skin off of my ass.
Says you. I think it's been firmly established that it's no skin off my ass what you think of me. The words of hypocrites only need calling out, not any real absorbtion.

From: DogSpot Boxer
But rest assured that I won't take shit from you and I won't play these stupid head games with you. I'll just AR every one of your venomous posts directed at me.
Go right ahead, about all you will do is get a vague "this has degenerated into a personal conversation and is being closed" , and since you believe that the nature of said thread was dubious to begin with, and have expressed as much, I will just assume that locking is what you're aiming for.

From: DogSpot Boxer
BTW, Nolan, I'm not having an emotional outburst in this thread.
I beg to differ.

Before you go citing Cervantes next time, you may want to evaluate your actual position in the thread. You're the one who is assuming and attributing motives to posters here in these forums - your Giants (actually windmills), and are attempting in vain to charge them with your horse and lance, only to miss your mark on each pass, and make yourself look silly to Sancho in the process..
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12-06-2005 16:55
For the record, I think the act of ridiculing and mocking instead of acknowledging an apology and an admission of an error - an all too rare occurence in these forums - is very poor behavior. It is behavior that causes me to lower my opinion of a person if possible. I'm quite certain my opinion matters not one iota to the individuals involved though.
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12-06-2005 17:02
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Adding an option for web-based adding has crossed my mind, I'm considering how to tackle a full list of Simulators due to their rapid pace of addition. Margaret, the idea for an in-world prim is a great one - I'll do that ASAP. :-)


This would be my #1 request - I'm in the habit of scheduling and posting my events when I only have web access, and just going in-world to run them. Also, a web interface would allow for a much more flexible event detail (such as multiple paragraphs in the description)
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12-06-2005 17:09
From: Margaret Mfume
For the record, I think the act of ridiculing and mocking instead of acknowledging an apology and an admission of an error - an all too rare occurence in these forums - is very poor behavior. It is behavior that causes me to lower my opinion of a person if possible. I'm quite certain my opinion matters not one iota to the individuals involved though.
I acknowledged the apology - I just pointed out that the list of excuses as to why she persisted in claiming Enabran was attacking her diluted it a bit.

Had it been a simple, straightforward acknowledgement of error, accompanied by a straight up apology, I wouldn't have been critical of it in the least.

In closing, it would have been nice if you had objected thusly when my public apology, with no caveats, was flamethrowered by a few people last April.

Oh well.
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12-06-2005 17:14
Nolan, you are 100% completely and totally wrong.

It can't be said any plainer.

You attribute all sorts of meaning to my posts when it was just a comment. I made a similar comment in another thread earlier today and that same comment seemed applicable to the already off-topic discussion that was going on here.

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What I find very hypocritical is taking someone else to task for making assumptions about what people post while at the same time doing the exact same thing to someone else.
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12-06-2005 17:15
From: Nolan Nash
I acknowledged the apology - I just pointed out that the list of excuses as to why she persisted in claiming Enabran was attacking her diluted it a bit.

Had it been a simple, straightforward acknowledgement of error, accompanied by a straight up apology, I wouldn't have been critical of it in the least.

In closing, it would have been nice if you had objected thusly when my public apology, with no caveats, was flamethrowered by a few people last April.

Oh well.


You COULD have just let it go. Ya know?
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12-06-2005 17:17
Flipper, an additional feature which might be helpful is feedback to the host when their event listing is rejected for whatever reason. In case someone wants to fine tune their event to be more SLBoutique friendly.
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12-06-2005 17:18
From: Nolan Nash
In closing, it would have been nice if you had objected thusly when my public apology, with no caveats, was flamethrowered by a few people last April.

Oh well.

I have no idea what your talking about.

Having had my posts responded to by you incessantly for a long period of time myself, I do know what Cocoa feels. I did read a nice post by you the other day when I was home sick and my head was aching too much to comment. Overall, I prefer to avoid entering a discussion with you for I do not feel I have been treated with the respect I require on the previous occasions I have done so. No biggy, just doesn't seem like a fruitful pursuit.
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12-06-2005 17:26
From: Margaret Mfume
Sorry, Cocoa, in retrospect of course you feel that way being that your name is well, Cocoa. But I honestly whipped that out in a quick minute following Travis' post. It was a reaction to being "froze like ice" pending Jesakus imminent arrival, the fact that it's !9 degrees F and dropping and I stopped for hot cocoa with my daughter aafter freezing our butts off scooping horse poop. Today is her turn to clean stalls which she has to do in exchange for riding priveleges. I'm truly sorry for the reasonable misunderstanding on your part.

Thank you, Margaret! :) I feel better. (And Cocoa IS delicious and nutritious.)

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12-06-2005 17:45
From: Margaret Mfume
I have no idea what your talking about.

Having had my posts responded to by you incessantly for a long period of time myself, I do know what Cocoa feels. I did read a nice post by you the other day when I was home sick and my head was aching too much to comment. Overall, I prefer to avoid entering a discussion with you for I do not feel I have been treated with the respect I require on the previous occasions I have done so. No biggy, just doesn't seem like a fruitful pursuit.

Well that was a bit of a back and forth, you were pretty critical of some posts I made which were not directed at you, as was I with of some of yours. We spoke about it in PMs. In any event, I have since tried to do my part to soften and animosity that may have existed between us.

I think part of the problem is that you tend to say things in a round about fashion, and I am more direct. I don't think either is wrong, we just have different methods of getting our point across.

As far as what I was talking about in the apology part of my reply to you, it was to do with my public apology to Prokofy, in which I offered no excuses. It was torn to shreds by a few people. I thought I remebered you being involved in that thread. I looked it up, and you were not involved in that thread at all. My apologies for the mistake.
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12-06-2005 17:52
From: DogSpot Boxer
Nolan, you are 100% completely and totally wrong.

It can't be said any plainer.

You attribute all sorts of meaning to my posts when it was just a comment. I made a similar comment in another thread earlier today and that same comment seemed applicable to the already off-topic discussion that was going on here.

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What I find very hypocritical is taking someone else to task for making assumptions about what people post while at the same time doing the exact same thing to someone else.

So you're NOT claiming that you know people's "true motivations" for posting certain threads and posts as of late?

What good does it do a thread to do that? You think that everyone will just ignore it or say "You go Dogspot! Right on!"? You invite more off-topic replies when you take a thread off-topic by not discussing the issue at hand, and instead play the "Mommy knows what you're really up to!" card.

I am not making assumptions about what you are doing, it's painfully obvious that you think that some threads and posts of late have been started about he-who-shall-not-be-named. There is no circle of assumption. There is just your assumption that you can read people's minds.

Don't like replies to that? Don't post it.
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