Brick Back Torrid Midnight!

With all the names and accusations being flung around everywhere, the one I'd really like to see is the name of the person who made the death comment to Torrid, that's the most reprehensible thing I've ever heard of. Why THAT person's anonymity is being protected is absolutely beyond me.

The people involved know how I feel about the overall situation, and I'm not going to dredge it up here again. I didn't want it in the public light at all. I'm honestly very sorry that it got so ugly, and was oddly directed at Torrid. I don't want her to leave anymore than anyone else here.

So to Torrid:

I understand if you take a leave of absence, I'd probably do the same thing, but I hope it's not permanent. And I'm sorry if I've contributed to your decision at all.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter, but I'm happy to discuss anything in private if anyone so desires.

Allllright. I just wanted a second opinion.

Torrid was attacked by a competitor, over something that was not even a commercial issue, and more an issue of "OMG, you changed my ART!", and then was attacked repeatedly by them and their friends.

<blinks> I don't know you, Torrid, but is listening to people whom you compete with, and letting them chase you off, perhaps not the best of moves? I'm not saying you don't deserve a break, but I have to question the motives of the people involved.

Needless to say, I don't know all of what's going on, but the attacks involved sound like that outstripe the crime of marring someone's work for your own use.

If the facts are not what I see here, I will retract this statement, otherwise, it stands.

I think it's a shame this couldn't have been resolved privately. Situations like this are what's giving the sl fashion community a really bad, catty rep.

There seem to be 2 separate issues here - fair use, and fair treatment.

1. The treatment of Torrid is completely unfair. This is very sad

2. Fair use is decided on a case by case basis, and can only be brought into question by the original copyright holder. If that copyright holder feels threatened by unauthorized copies being made of thier artwork they are entitled to persue thier case further, and not anyone else.

My one question is:

Did Torrid ask the original copyright holder for permission to make copies for alteration?

No, actualy. First of all naughty mostly sells skins & hair - torrid doesn't so their not so competetive. Especialy since naughty had her in their store.

Second, we don't know who 'attacked' torrid. So don't go blaming people when we don't even know who it is.

& most important the people who's textures were ripped "and their friends" didn't even attack anyone. We just kept our mouthes shut while all of mis's friends ran to comment on her blog & say how awefull it is anyone compalined she took their textures.


As for how not wrong it is? I'm surprised everyone's so sure that mis bought lost's texture just to use the scalp. Did she? I guess we'll never know. I don't see her admitting to getting the texture from anyone else.

That's exactly what I'm wondering at this point.

I haven't been following this, but from the two stories by Aimee that I read I got the impression that the comment was written in a hatchet job blog called "thetruthrefic" which is now gone. The title of the blog alone is enough to indicate the idiocy of the author.

I saw it. It was ugly and on the same level the FICazoid incident was. At least everyone concerned is in agreement that it was uncalled for, I hope...

Yep, the FICazoid thing was the first thing I thought of too. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was the same person. There are some sad hate filled people in the world.

That about sums it for me. Disgusting to wish harm on someone over this. I wanted to mod a few skins I bought, maybe bleach the hair texture and add custom tattoos. I'd never sell it on. Should I befriend the designer first before I use the ripping software?

If you read the article this forum post links to & would rather read what actualy happened & not some sensationalized version to cover your friend's a**, you can go here:

http://pixelpinuponline.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=84&page=1

I would say YES, definately contact the skin artist and ask first. They may provide a service for alterations as part of thier business and want to bake the textures themselves.

blog wars 2006

Welp, I guess it just goes to show there are two sides to every story.

coco

In otherwords, this is all she said/she said, with no real evidence as to what the heck is going on?

Grr when is this going to end?!

Thank you for your interest in my blog entry. I did try to explain every detail as I saw it, and I made every effort to link alternative opinions as I found them, including the Naughty blog (which provides a one-sided rendition of this story that you seem comfortable with.)

Your side of the story posted at Lo Jacob's PixelPinup is a welcome addition and I'm glad you posted it here, despite Lo's Keystone cop suggestion for us all to "move along, nothing more to see here, move along..." in this very thread.

As for covering Torrid's ass ... while all the world should be infatuated with the callipygian designer, I think it would be unfair to write off my interpretation of these events based on what you THINK is my relationship with Torrid. Friction between her and I has become almost legendary and was even brought into question by one of your very own mysterious anonymous supporters here: http://thetruthrefic.blogspot.com/ (Another blog I think everybody should read)

No, my story had nothing to do with covering a friends ass, it had everything to do with calling out a vulgar display of incivility which is rapidly becoming the rule in Second Life's fashion industry.

Canimal's blog was pretty enlightening. I read Aimee's, this thread, then Cani's, and now I can give my opinion knowing the big picture. So, here's what I think:

Ripping and modifying a texture for -personal use- that you -bought and paid for- is not definently wrong or definently right. There's too many factors involved really for a person to give the ultimatum as to whether its okay or not. I'm inclined to say that its not wrong, because, as was stated earlier in the thread, saying it is wrong is akin to buying a painting and coloring on it is wrong.

On the flipside, hearing that someone bought multiple skins from multiple designers and hashed together a whole new skin out of it... I think that might be taking it too far. But still... it's still like buying a bunch of painting and making a collage out of it... I dunno... as long as they are not selling it and giving it out for free, I don't see what the problem is. But, since there is no way to know whether or not they are, and it seems like there are "degrees" of texture ripping and personal modification... in the end I think that it should just not be done, for any reason, whether it is right or wrong.

As for this specific situation, I don't believe that Torrid should have been led to believe she should be very apologetic for her actions. There are probably thousands of people out there ripping their skin textures to modify for personal use, just because you happen to know one of the people that was doing it, doesn't give you the right to single them out amongst all those people. Though, after reading all the available info about this, I do see how it was escalated out of control, with blame to share among all of the people involved, not just one person, and not just one party.

About Torrid leaving SL over it... the people that caused her so much grief should be absolutely ashamed of themselves, it sickens me, and they should be held accountable, and appologize to Torrid for their actions. Torrid is a wonderful person, so is Lost, Amby, and Starley. While I frown upon how they handled the situation at large, it's the people that were wishing Torrid ill that are really to blame... without them, Torrid would likely still be here, and this situation would be resolved amongst the people it concerns (which it sounds like it pretty much was until someone dug it up again).

It seems like lately its only the good people that get the axe, I'm not gonna name names, but I really hope this trend doesn't continue. SL was made a better place by Torrid, many love her, and its shameful that she should be driven out of SL by something so small that was made into something so big. Oiy... this is why I stay under the SL fashion radar.

According to the blog, Torrid seems to have made a copy of her skin and then changed the perms to modify it for her own non commercial use in order to add eyeliner.

This is not copyright infringement. At worst, this is a TOS violation for changing permissions on an item, but since it was for her own noncommercial use, she didn't sell them, she did not give them away, the original content creator received his two cents, then LL would not do a damn thing about it.

So should the "prim-a-donnas" AR Torrid for changing perms, or should they harass her and wish her dead because they know damn well they are out of line.

I agree with a previous poster that some members of the fashion content community have LOST perspective about their content and themselves.

I believe Canimal meant Mistress Midnight rather than Torrid. Since, if i understand it right it was Mistress Midnight who decided to perform some public cross climbing over how 'certain designers are out to get her because of nothing' as potential damage control, which started this whole unfortunate chain of events.

Anyway, i feel Lo is most right here; Torrid has gotten (unfairly imo) a really raw deal over what seems mainly her friend's actions, and if she wishes to take time out of it all then it's her right that should be respected. Spreading details of it to yet another forum seems to go pretty much exactly against what she wished for. :/

Your supposed version that contains what "actually" happened fails to address the fact that Ambyance's incredibly nasty post dragged Torrid into this for absolutely no reason whatsoever and nailed her to the wall. This was about Mistress, but half of Ambyance's post focused on things that happened in the past with Torrid, some of it several YEARS ago,the rest long settled months ago. Additionally, NONE of the content involved is Ambyance's.

Mistress' mistake was in lying when she was confronted about the altered skin. She admits that and apologized. She deserves to take some heat for that, but people make mistakes. Have you never lied? However, to throw around the word theft is ridiculous. Nothing was stolen. She paid for the copy of the texture that she has. You may not like that she altered it, but the fact that you are acting like this is on the same level of the people actually stealing and reselling textures is the main problem.

This all should have been a completely private matter, and none of it should have involved Torrid, as this was settled months ago. I hope all involved are satisfied - you have driven an incredibly talented, sensitive, and dedicated person out of Second Life, over a bunch of pointless bitchfest drama. All this talk about losing respect- mine has never been stronger for Torrid and for Mistress.

That blog only has one post, I believe the offending article must have been removed, probably for the best.

Oops. They changed it again. Nevermind.

Uhmm okay, this one i don't get. What exactly actions of Mistress caused that apparent increase of respect, if i may ask? Disregard for feelings of another content creator and proclaimed 'friend' when it'd be such simple thing to ask, turning it into a public show, attempt to play the 'i brought so much to SL i should be able to get away with more' card, going as far as to promote use of texture ripping because one got found to be involved personally on questionable end of it... seriously, what? o.O;

There's 2 sides to every story, sometimes more...I'm just saddened by all of this, as all parties involved are great at what they do and it would be a shame to lose any one of them.