Brick Back Torrid Midnight!

How outrageous..talk about out of control arrogance. A buyer has total right to make use of their purchase however they want. Out of line and out of control empty arrogance.

Torrid, I hope you get well soon and return to your friends in SL who understand the truth.

OMG no! Torrid is one of the nicest people I have met, not to mention her efforts in SLRFL and her amazing talent.

Torrid if you are reading this, don't let this get ya down, and certanly don't leave SL over this. Shit happens, people appologise or don't, people accept those appologies or don't, people make friends, people lose friends. Such is life, and life as it is goes on. You have too much to offer to everyone here to just leave. I hope that you take some time to heal and also in that time reconsider your decision to leave. At least I HOPE that you reconsider.

Does this really need to be written about here?

This is just opening up everyone for abuse.

Please don't.

Well, no, they don't have total right. If they did we wouldn't bother to have a permissions system. I can understand their being upset with her because I would be too, but this is serious overkill. Torrid and Mis both have custom versions of my skins they made themselves because I trusted them enough to let them use my textures when they asked me long ago. I've known them since my first week in beta and there are very very few people in SL I trust as much as my sisters. Kiss and make up, people. This is so not worth any drama.

I agree application of eyeliner to a skin is no reason to wish death upon someone, but regardless of the morality, copyright law does allow fair use exceptions for non commercial personal use.

If I bought a print and hung it on my wall in my house, I could paint on top of it and not infringe on any persons copyrights to that print. This is non commercial fair use and happens every day when we make an alteration to customize an item we purchased, for our own personal use, that was created by another. This falls under the fair use exception to copyright law.

I am just upset that anyone would tell Torrid they wished she had died because she put eyeliner on her skin for her own use, wow!

Lordfly, I'm sorry to hear this. I enjoy the podcast you all make and when Torrid is on she never fails to make me smile, or just plain crack up out loud. Her sense of humor, and sense of campy presentation is priceless. I love her voice and accent also. She will be missed, please pass this on to her. Thanks Lordfly

bump.

This really needs more exposure.

Someone as awesome as Torrid isn't just allowed to leave, like so many dimestore alt accounts.

Please inform me:

They wished DEATH on her because she edited a skin texture for her own private use after buying it?

Please be clear, and let me know of any context I might need to know.

Torrid,

It seems such a long time ago I first met you and I was so impressed with your personailty, sweetness and approachability. At the time, I was a newbie and didn't really know the magnitude of your talents or your contributions to our world.

I have watched what you have created and been amazed. I have seen what you have done for others and have beem inspired to do the same. You are truly a kind soul and do not deserve the treatment you have described.

Making a small edit on something for personal use only? It's not the end of the world! Wishing death to her?!?!?! Grow up!

It's easy to say only people that matter, have opinions that matter...but words still leave a gray dullness on our hearts.

We will all be at a great loss to lose you and your spirit here. Come back when you're rested

Katykiwi is right. You just can't allow modify on your items and then expect people not to modify them. (Even if skins are some weird exception, like you have to allow modify- I don't know - the principle still stands.)

As far as I can tell, the issue here isn't even transferring. (And if you don't want that, don't put transfer.)

Wishing death on people - very, very bad karma, whoever did that. And it's done far to often and glibly in SL, I've noticed. To do it right after someone's operation - well, how low can you go?

Torrid just needs some time. Just the operation alone, whatever it was, requires healing.

I think it is a shame that nice people, people who have lived all their lives with no trouble from anybody, get on SL and all of a sudden others are tearing them up, being totally vicious, for something FRICKIN SILLY.

coco

While a lot of people feel torrid had no right to modify the textures (me included) I don't think anyone wish any HARM to her or that she'll leave SL.

There's drama right now & drama gets to sensitive people. Torrid just got outta surgery staying away from SL to take a break especialy if the drama gave her a turn for the worse is just a smart thing to do.

DO I think what torrid & mis did was right? No. Would I *EVER* wish any harm to any of them because of what they did? NO! What kind of people do you think these people are?!
Most didn't even wanna vent this in a public forum.

Whoever wished that bad health torrid seriously needs to get a taste of what their wishing.
I hope she gets better soon & I don't think I know a single person who doesn't hope that.
Why drag her into sl now if it makes her sick? She's just taking a break. I think she'll be back when she's better.

After reading the highlighted quote in the provided link, I thought the operation referred to was the altering of the skin, that is likening it to going under the knife for a facelift. Did Midnight undergo an operation irl or is it the death of an avatar that is the desired result in the comment?

While I think what was done was wrong that is MY opinion, I wouldn't have done it personally, but that is ME and everyone sees things thru their own eyes and minds, nobody elses, we can't all speak for each other, sadly. None of this was done maliciously, but it did hurt a lot of people in various ways and now I think everyone needs time to get over it and move on, which from what I gather is what everyone wants to do. I do think that this break is what Torrid needs, NOT because of all this, but because she needs to physically heal without all this added stress, but I do hope that she doesn't leave for good, it would be a terrible shame.

But, agreed, whomever wished death upon her, or anything likewise really does need a lil bit of a head examination and a severe foot up their asses and I don't think people should be assuming who said it either, I can't imagine it being anyone that any of us knows and respects, cos quite frankly, they have to be one hell of a huge moron.

All in all, this is going to be spread everywhere like wildfire, as it already is, and all it will do is fuel the fire, not put it out. I actually like ALL of the people invovled this this incident and I wish ppl would just let it lie for a bit and and let everyone body calm the hell down if only for the sakes of all the people that are involved, they need a break from this constant raking up of everything. ALL of them.

Torrid, if you see this, you make sure that YOU come first for a while, rest up, take some time and well... SL will be here when you want to come back (we hope!) <3

I actually think it's a good thing it's been brought up here. Some of the SL fashion blogs seem to be complete snakepits lately. Not all... but some really are. I've had to defend myself against some really ridiculous accusations that were "insinuated" about my friends and I recently because a designer with a blog decided it was time to stir the pot a bit.

I urge readers of these blogs to take what they read with a grain of salt. Or better yet, don't read them at all.

Once you buy it, you can pretty much do whatever you like with anything, except sell or distribute it - that's how I take things to be.

The abuse hurled at someone for putting on a bit of make up is outrageous. People like that should have their modem disconnected from their computer and shoved up their arse sideways for causing such drama.

Lewis

So this IS about someone editing a texture for their own use, and then getting attacked for it?

I want to be absolutly sure I'm reading this correctly.

They did not sell, or give away, edit texture, and paid for the original, right?

I also think it's crap that posts like this mix issues up like they did. Some idiot says to Torrid that she should die & suddently everyone who had textured ripped are monsters for being upset about it.
Uh.. who even said that to her? I don't even know. But their an idiot. & everyone I know think their an idiot so why do you make it seem like complaining someone stole your tetxures is bad?!

posts like this lordfly, & like mis's on her blog, realy take texture theft steps backwards.
Torrid apologized & admitted she was wrong. she said she was gunna stop doing it. & she's getting crap cos mis decided to blog about it & say taking textures is ok.

So stop mixing the issues.

Y'know, it's interesting. I just went ten rounds earlier this week over this very conflict. When I first saw the post made on the ND blog, I was angry because it wasn't clear if the skins and such in question were actually handed out or not. It was buried under a mire of angry accusations and labels. If it was the case that stuff was handed out, I'd have been completely against it, but the more I looked it over -- it really didn't seem that way, but I keep hearing conflicting hearsay past that, so who knows.

Regardless, I'm upset that people would wish harm on someone else like that over what is ultimately very little. I find the timing of the initial blog post to be quite interesting, but I'll spare going into that conspiracy theory. I suppose this is one horrible way of forcing people to confront the issue. Honestly, I'd rather it didn't require this level of drama and ousting someone like that before these questions were asked by more people.

I really wanted to stay far away from this when the issue first cropped up, given I just got into it with Chip earlier this week -- but, eh, I'm sorta offended by the railroading that was attempted here, so I'm saying as much. Whatever the case may have been on the few things I'm wondering about, Torrid, you didn't deserve that.

This shouldnt even have been about Torrid, what Torrid had done was settled long ago, this is about Mistress Midnight and Torrid got dragged in the middle...

Torrid,
I know you and I do not know eachother on a personal level, but we have been in the same presence as one another quite a few times over the years, and you have always been funny, easygoing, smart, and more importantly, kind and VERY approachable....
I have heard of you being sick and your surgery, and you are in my prayers... please take this time to rest and heal... regardless of the drama, you need a break and you need to take care of yourself... After you have had time to rest, please come back and put all this crazy drama behind you. It isn't worth stressing over nor leaving over...
You're in my prayers...
Sen

Sell, no. Give away, not sure. Pay for... I've also heard conflicting stories on this. That's one of the issues here, the main one with me -- is how that went about being handled. If it wasn't sold, wasn't given away and it was paid for -- I see no issue. However, some do, regardless, which complicates this further.

Regardless, I still don't think some of the shit flung at Torrid was called for. Mistress didn't really handle the situation well, but she'll get her knocks, too, I'm sure. If it's at all brought to light that stuff was not paid for and handed out, well, I can't really at all defend that.

That's what I understood the issue to be. Could someone please correct my perception, as well as the other regarding the death comment, if wrong?

I don't want to get into the whole texture ripping argument, I just want to say that it saddens me to see this happening. I've bought things from all the designers in question, on both sides of this fight, and they're all extremely talented. I hate seeing any part of that talent leave SL. I really hope that after some time has passed, everyone can cool down and see things more clearly and mend their friendships... life is too short. Torrid, take some time away, get better, we'll miss you!

That would be true if we were talking about tangible goods, but we're not. The mistake people seem to make in this debate is in seeing SL goods as being the same as the real world things they represent. SL clothing and skin is art, not goods. Their use is bound by copyright and IP law, not the laws that govern use of real world physical goods.

We really need LL to step up to the plate and do two things... first they need to spell out consumer rights with regards to texture based content in SL in the TOS in no uncertain terms. Second, they need to get off their asses and finally make good on their promise to add texture layers which they've been saying they would do for well over a year now. The design community in SL is one of LL's greatest assets. They really need to start supporting it accordingly.